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    Discussion related to the G85 Steering Angle Sensor locations in Golf-based cars

    This thread is intended for discussion related to the G85 Steering Angle Sensor locations in Golf-based cars
    Last edited by Dana; 11-03-2017 at 04:01 PM.

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    I ended up moving all of the car specific examples and details to: G85 Steering Angle Sensor locations in Golf-based cars
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post

    In this case G85 is located on the steering column behind the slip ring.
    Dana: Not sure if you are aware (likely you are), the G85 sensor on a mk7 Golf (5AU) is physically inside the steering rack. Alas, "the steering angle sender - G85- cannot be renewed separately." (according to VW)

    Don

    PS: I think the need to replace the entire steering rack for a G85 fault on the later model Golf is called "progress"!
    Last edited by DV52; 09-08-2017 at 08:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    PS: I think the need to replace the entire steering rack for a G85 fault on the later model Golf is called "progress"!
    Hopefully, they will come up with a different approach as these cars age. It's happened before with other components.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Hi Don, yeah they started that in 2009 on the last of the Mk5 chassis cars here. I'm working on a new thread that's mostly Mk5 and 6 but I may generalize the MQB platform at the very end of it.

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    RHD Passat 3C uses 1K0(Gen3 ZF rack opposed to LHD with APA rack) and integrated G85 in rack.
    That is the reason ETKA(and perhaps PL24) guide to read the part nr diagnosticly. On Passat the slip ring is either AS or AR depending on integration of G85.
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    Thanks! I encountered this today with an incorrectly coded RoW 2013 Passat wagon TDI and 50% of the good baseline scans were 1K racks where the other 50% were 5N racks. I'll use your feedback and RoW scan data to see if I can improve that area.




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    RHD scan example with identical #16 coding 198A250000 and EPS_ZFLS Kl. 197: E?ID=149248
    The broken RHD wagon: E?ID=398941
    Last edited by Dana; 11-15-2017 at 10:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    Hi Don, yeah they started that in 2009 on the last of the Mk5 chassis cars here. I'm working on a new thread that's mostly Mk5 and 6 but I may generalize the MQB platform at the very end of it.
    When you say 2009, can this also be the situation on 2008 golf mkV's? I'm working on a 2008 Golf V 1.9 Tdi and it has a Gen3 steering rack and "ESP MK60EC1" Abs system. Does this setup sound all original? And to calibrate the steering angle sensor you'd do it within the Abs module because the car has Esp which communicates with the G85 via the Abs, is this correct? So am I correct in saying you would not calibrate the steering angle sensor via the Steering Assist module?

    Do some Golfs have 2 steering sensors, 1 on the rack and 1 on the steering column? Or 1 on the steering column and 1 under the steering wheel too?

    I suppose the different regions play a part regards the info on this site, I'm coming from a Uk/Euro market, whereas I guess most of this site is based on Canada/North America. In Uk/Euro the MkV golf typically ran from 2004-2008 and not 2009.
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    1. For VAG next model year starts from 1'st of August e.g. car assembled after 1'st August will be the next model year, for example 2009., but in registration documents it is written date of first registration, that easily may be still in the 2008.
    2. GEN2 racks are discontinued and GEN3 with additional wiring loom are offered as replacement.
    So we have at least two ways how this could happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinsX View Post
    1. For VAG next model year starts from 1'st of August e.g. car assembled after 1'st August will be the next model year, for example 2009
    Good "rule of thumb", but not hard-and-fast. In the end, what really counts is the 10th digit of the VIN.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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