09 GTI, Ignition Faults will not clear...?

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I posted over at Vortex also. Used my new VagCom today and found codes that point to a bad ignition switch. No issues except doors locking and unlocking, MFD blinking every once in awhile. No problems starting or anything like that. Windshield wipers will "bump" up a notch when I turn the car off.
Car is new to me, has 29K original miles, no aftermarket parts what so ever. Prob. the reason why original owner passed it off to me...:(
I don't have to do anything but I'm worried about electrical fire or creating a bigger issue...

If it truly is the electrical part of the switch does anyone know if I have to pull the wheel or can I get at it with small screwdrivers if I get the cover off the bottom of the column?

I'm wanting to get a Bentley manual but...the car is an 09 with the TSI motor and the manual for the 09 only has the FSI motor. Should I get a 2010+ manual?

Here is the basic readout on the codes that would not clear. I had codes in other areas and am driving it today hoping they clear up..

Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 953 549 BG HW: 1K0 953 549 BG
Component and/or Version: J0527 051 0101
Software Coding: 0012122
Work Shop Code: WSC 01357 011 00200
Additional Info: XXXXXXXXXXX E0221 002 0010
Additional Info: Geraet 00200
VCID: 78D118E10BBC3CE156F-802D
4 Faults Found:

00576 - Terminal 15
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
00883 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal S
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
00884 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal X
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
01744 - Ignition Switch Terminal P (D)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
 
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workrb said:
No issues except doors locking and unlocking, MFD blinking every once in awhile. No problems starting or anything like that. Windshield wipers will "bump" up a notch when I turn the car off.
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Umm... that's interesting. Rather than the ignition switch itself, I'd take the covers off the steering column and start looking for wires rubbing and chafing, for insulation damage. Somewhere you have intermittent shorting between the ignition switch wiring and wiper control stalk wiring.

Re: repair manuals, I'm not sure which Bentley manual might be right for you, but you can go to http://erwin.vw.com and buy a $35 day pass, and then download and locally save all the PDF-based repair manuals they have for your car.

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jyoung8607 said:
Umm... that's interesting. Rather than the ignition switch itself, I'd take the covers off the steering column and start looking for wires rubbing and chafing, for insulation damage. Somewhere you have intermittent shorting between the ignition switch wiring and wiper control stalk wiring.

Re: repair manuals, I'm not sure which Bentley manual might be right for you, but you can go to http://erwin.vw.com and buy a $35 day pass, and then download and locally save all the PDF-based repair manuals they have for your car.

Jason
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Are the covers difficult to figure out how to take off.? I have no experience with VW's except older(81 diesel caddies) The wiring in this car looks brand new as the car has only 29k on it and not even an aftermarket radio. Nothing looks to be hacked under the dash area at all. i even removed the instrument panel looking for a squeak and it looked untouched in every way.
It's more than just the wipers, the doors lock and unlock sometimes, MFD blinks sometimes...vag com definitely pointed to the switch and even in the wiki it listed all of the codes to expect and all of them are there...
I am searching with no results to find someone who has just replaced the ignition switch without removing the steering wheel. The mechanical side of the switch is perfect...it should be...29k
Thanks for the Erwin heads up. I'd rather just buy a book but have no clue which one.
 
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The wipers bump up to alternate the parking position.

My '06 Touran does it. Sometimes they stay where they are, and other times, they bump up to change the angle the blades sit on the glass. The also alternate parking position when the wipers are switched off. one time with the blade angle down, every second time with the blade angled up. If you use the intermittant feature, it will sometimes move after that is turned off too.
 
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Change ignition switch and mini harness to it immediately.
I have seen a few cars burn right to the ground from this after being called to an investigation for observation.
It maybe under campaign or service action.......... so check with VWGoA.

Post the entire scan please.
 
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Jack, okay...wow! Welcome to owning a newer VW...maybe I should go retrieve the 81 diesel caddy still in my dad's garage!

Do you think it's safe to be parked in my garage?

Is this something the VW dealer would have found with their equipment under their normal servicing. I checked into the history at the dealership it was purchased and maintained. The service advisor said it was clean and only had a rattle they could not find...:banghead:

I've only put about 600 miles on the car and the electrical gremlins have been there since I purchased it. I read around forums and found that these types of things and VW's went hand in hand.

Can the switch and harness be replaced without taking the steering wheel off?

Here is the complete scan result:

Code: 
Thursday,23,April,2015,12:24:30:28535
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 14.10.2.0 (x64)
Data version: 20150311
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWFV71K59W139491   License Plate: 
Mileage: 47710km-29645mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 55 56 65

VIN: WVWFV71K59W139491   Mileage: 47710km-29645miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (CCT)       Labels: 06J-906-026-CCT.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 AE    HW: 1K0 907 115 AA
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0030  
   Revision: AAH03---    Serial number: VWX7Z0H93ND8T4
   Coding: 0403010A1C070160
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 69F74DA540169569D91-803C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.lbl
   Part No SW: 02E 300 051 C    HW: 02E 927 770 AJ
   Component: GSG DSG AG6     431 1815  
   Revision: 04843012    Serial number: 00000807241321
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 130B4F4D321AFFB9C3D-8046

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AE    HW: 1K0 907 379 AE
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H35 0106  
   Revision: 00H35001    
   Coding: 113B600D49250003880F06ED921A0041B100
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 75CF11D5DCAE41894D9-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 JM    HW: 1K0 820 047 JM
   Component: Climatic PQ35   142 1212  
   Revision: 00142032    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 78D118E10BBC3CE156F-802D

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 E    HW: 3C8 937 049 E
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000008918654
   Coding: 178D8F214004150047140000001400000028770B5C000100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 334BEFCD525A1FB9A3D-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 031008 021  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 01357  

No fault code found.

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Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 M    HW: 8E0 035 593 M
   Component: SDAR SIRIUS     H07 0150  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ4Z7H0440521
   Coding: 0000100
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 334BEFCD525A1FB9A3D-8066

2 Faults Found:
00003 - Control Module 
            014 - Defective - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101110
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 125
                    Mileage: 8784 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 18:54:31

02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 9
                    Reset counter: 88
                    Mileage: 47539 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 08:43:12


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
   Component: 6K AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
   Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6D0C38V1  
   Coding: 0013899
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 6CF934B14FE48041A27-8039

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 G
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0007

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME41332E266

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME41325072$

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6352QSME2D0B0E20J

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6362QSME3F0E0E1E$

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME186C5A38D

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME186C563DF

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BG    HW: 1K0 953 549 BG
   Component: J0527           051 0101  
   Coding: 0012122
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 78D118E10BBC3CE156F-802D

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           002 0010

4 Faults Found:
00576 - Terminal 15 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
00883 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal S 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
00884 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal X 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
01744 - Ignition Switch Terminal P (D) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 974 H    HW: 1K6 920 974 H
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 2416  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H93ND8T4
   Coding: 0007203
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3957DDE57036E5E9691-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 Q    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H07 5063  
   Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 250908F1001263
   Coding: ED811F070013020000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 354FD1D55C2E01898D9-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K6 919 879     HW: 1K6 919 879 
   Component: Kompass         001 0003  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 1225223T4A6603
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7DDF09F5249E19C9059-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 974 H    HW: 1K6 920 974 H
   Component: IMMO            VDD 2416  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H93ND8T4
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3957DDE57036E5E9691-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
   Coding: 0001077
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3851D8E14B3CFCE196F-806D

1 Fault Found:
00109 - Left Mirror Turn Signal Lamp (L131) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H08 1901  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
   VCID: 354FD1D55C2E01898D9-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0221  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 139006885103281B0904058FB0080A04889C00
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 04297C11477468014A7-8051

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

1 Fault Found:
01038 - Central Locking Thermal Protection 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 137
                    Mileage: 47384 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 09:01:07


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
   Coding: 0001076
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3957DDE57036E5E9691-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 907 357 
   Component: Dynamische LWR      0003  
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 74C92CD117D458817A7-8021

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 L    HW: 1K0 035 180 L
   Component: Radio PM6       125 0037  
   Revision: 00125000    Serial number: VWZ5Z7H2270582
   Coding: 0040401
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 29770DA580965569191-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    RDK              0450  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0100101
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: 04297C11477468014A7-8051

No fault code found.

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Andy, yes went thru that. I'm new to VW and Vagcom. Would you bother checking value blocks like it says or just replace the harness and the switch. I've got every code listed in the special notes. I'm still trying to get some guidance on whether or not the steering wheel has to be removed to do this...I know it would have to if I'm replacing the mechanical part of the ignition switch but that is working fine. The switch is like $35, not sure on the harness.
 
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I've not done one in that generation of cars, but even if VW says you have to remove the steering wheel, don't take necessarily that as gospel. When we did the one in our 2001 Eurovan many moons ago, the repair manual called for doing from above, but it was much quicker to do it from underneath. The catch was getting one screw out and back in; doing that required some creative use of tools.

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Affirmative Uwe.......

The ignition switch/mini harness can in fact be done without the removal of all the required details in the repair manual.

Dental pick is helpful............

OP if it was my car with those codes displayed.
I would not park the car in the garage unless the battery was disconnected.

Even cars that sit in my shop.........policy is disconnected battery or it goes outside.

The only two switches I would use are Genuine Made in Germany or Czech. Republic, all others are suspect........

Be sure to use the unit with harness for separate reader coil which is a Y with isolated connector to ignition switch itself.
 
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workrb said:
Andy, yes went thru that. I'm new to VW and Vagcom. Would you bother checking value blocks like it says or just replace the harness and the switch. I've got every code listed in the special notes. I'm still trying to get some guidance on whether or not the steering wheel has to be removed to do this...I know it would have to if I'm replacing the mechanical part of the ignition switch but that is working fine. The switch is like $35, not sure on the harness.
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Considering the price of the switch, it would make sense to try it. Especially that this kind of problems are hard to pinpoint and time consuming.

Andy
 
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Jack@European_Parts said:
Affirmative Uwe.......

The ignition switch/mini harness can in fact be done without the removal of all the required details in the repair manual.

Dental pick is helpful............

OP if it was my car with those codes displayed.
I would not park the car in the garage unless the battery was disconnected.

Even cars that sit in my shop.........policy is disconnected battery or it goes outside.

The only two switches I would use are Genuine Made in Germany or Czech. Republic, all others are suspect........

Be sure to use the unit with harness for separate reader coil which is a Y with isolated connector to ignition switch itself.
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Do you know where to get the mini harness and the appropriate switch? VW? Before I received your email I ordered one thru a local foreign car parts place. The counter guy said it is a VEMO...?

Not clear on the separate reader coil, which is a Y.... Can you elaborate. If I could find a reputable mechanic around my area I'd just take it to them...Hence I'm doing it myself. I'm accustomed somewhat to GM's and Toyo's but really never have to work on electrical issues with those cars.
Does this mini harness have to run thru firewall and to all the target connections? Also, can you recommend a manual for this 2009 with the TSI motor. Or would you just use the Erwin deal with VW?
 
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Vemo = Ching chow China.........

Erwin.......

Will be back in bit for link to what I describe.
 
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Thanks for the information. I took the cheapo back and picked up the revised one at VW. I would have bought the one thru ebay but I need this thing fixed for next week. I'm going to try to do it by just removing the trim pieces. Not sure I'll make it happen but will give it a run. Maybe do a video so others can see what is involved as there is not one anywhere I can find on an MK5+. I appreciate all the help!
 
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FWIW my 09 Jetta exhibited the same symptoms a few years ago (faults + locking/unlocking) and a switch under warranty cured it.
 
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Eric,
TY for the confirmation. Now if I can figure out how to change it without opening up a can of mess! I'm trying to find someone who has done one personally on an MKV. Some say the steering wheels and more has to come off yet others say it can be done by just removing the trim....which I've never done on this car or any other VW.
 
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Yeah you don't "have" to remove the steering wheel but it does make it slightly more accessible. I've done quite a few if these with the same fault codes as you have listed and it cured all of them.
 
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