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    Is there a way that we could help? I have access to this car and could ''play around''.

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    Many of the DSGs have "Snapshot" Measuring Values which are stored when a DTC is triggered, so even if there isn't a specific "Control Module Mileage" value - you will likely be able to see some data which may help with further investigation. In addition, you can always use the search function in advanced measuring values and look for "mileage", "odometer" or similar wordings and you'll likely find some useful hits. Obviously, without an Auto-Scan and seeing which modules are actually in the car, there isn't much more help we could provide.
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    Thx for your answer.
    I have already checked all advanced measuring values and all that I considered ''usefull'' in determining mileage are these values:

    But they do not look so usefull.
    Can you say more about ''Snapshot'' Measuring Values and DTC triggering?

    Here is a full autoscan of this car (sadly it is quite old and done with 14.10 version: if needed I can do a new one, but it will take a few days to get the car):
    Code:
    Monday,01,December,2014,08:57:11:07078
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
    VCDS Version: 14.10.0.0
    Data version: 20141022
    
    
    VIN: TMBAJ7NE4F   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 3850km-2392mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: NE (5Q0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 10 13 15 16 17 18 19 2B 42 44 52 55 5F A5
             
    
    VIN: TMBAJ7NE4F   Mileage: 3850km-2392miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    18-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
    A5-Frt Sens. Drv. Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
     
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    Address 01: Engine (J623-CKFC)       Labels: 04L-907-309-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 04L 906 021 DT    HW: 04L 907 309 D
       Component: R4 2,0L EDC   H22 7545  
       Revision: 83H22---    
       Coding: 111D001A036401091000
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906021DT 002007
       ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906021DT_AU37.rod
       VCID: 7AF1C6CDFDC4FFF121F-802F
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels: 0D9-927-770.clb
       Part No SW: 0D9 300 041 P    HW: 02E 927 770 AQ
       Component: DQ250-6F MQB  H53 4507  
       Revision: 05853104    Serial number: TFK01409160087
       Coding: 0014
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ250021 001001
       ROD: EV_TCMDQ250021_SE37.rod
       VCID: 254BC5B124FAA0093CD-8070
    
    1 Fault Found:
    10763 - Starter Enable from Selector Lever Sensor System 
              P1734 00 [002] - -
              Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
    
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 M    HW: 5Q0 907 379 H
       Component: ESC           H31 0571  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 62724000001304
       Coding: 1A0762912420096D007A060741C5245846249000608224F0F661F070C002
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00063
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 033001
       ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_SE37.rod
       VCID: 4689623DF9BC4B11157-8013
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels: 5Q0-959-435.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 959 435 A    HW: 5Q0 959 435 
       Component: VWKESSYMQB    021 0604  
       Revision: 00021000    Serial number: 0347609152
       Coding: 030C0C
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB 002011
       ROD: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB_SK37.rod
       VCID: 3A7106CDBD443FF161F-806F
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5G0-907-044.clb
       Part No SW: 5E0 907 044 P    HW: 5E0 907 044 P
       Component: Climatronic   H03 0907  
       Revision: 00001K06    
       Coding: 01010104004101011005004100101000
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00063
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 003017
       ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_SK37.rod
       VCID: 32612EED6534C7B1A9F-8067
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 5Q0-937-08X-HV1.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 AJ    HW: 5Q0 937 084 AJ
       Component: BCM MQBAB H   H18 0134  
       Serial number: 01011426303179
       Coding: 0C011B66424722FB07A04082B11C07280C00000000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMCONTI 013000
       ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_SK37.rod
       VCID: 0005B4259B18A5216FB-8055
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5E1 955 119     HW: 5E1 955 119 
       Component: WWS371 140905  041 0570 
       Serial number:         140924041441
       Coding: 065DDD
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547 A    HW: 5Q0 955 547 A  Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
       Component: RLHS  037 0059 
       Serial number: S5Y14M10D07H22M41S01
       Coding: 00885D
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 171     HW: 5Q0 951 171 
       Component: Sensor, DWA  005 0315 
       Serial number: 000000000ZY142031PK3
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 605     HW: 5Q0 951 605 
       Component: Sirene, DWA  004 0311 
       Serial number: 00000000000060424345
    
    2 Faults Found:
    534549 - Databus 
              U1121 00 [008] - Missing Message
              Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 106
                        Mileage: 3850 km
                        Date: 2014.12.01
                        Time: 08:46:47
    
    535060 - Databus 
              U1123 00 [009] - Received Error Message
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 66
                        Mileage: 3850 km
                        Date: 2014.12.01
                        Time: 08:47:40
    
    
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    Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J791)       Labels: 5Q0-919-283.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 919 283 D    HW: 5Q0 919 283 
       Component: PARKHILFE 4K  H10 0048  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 39231428004523
       Coding: 0001150011
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00063
       ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA14AU3700000 002022
       ROD: EV_EPHVA14AU3700000_AU37.rod
       VCID: 3A7106CDBD443FF161F-806F
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels: 5Q0-907-572.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 907 572 D    HW: 5Q0 907 572 D
       Component: ACC Bosch MQB H05 0304  
       Serial number: 14091403211058
       Coding: 00081600FE0739
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ACCMRRBoschVW372 001015
       ROD: EV_ACCMRRBoschVW372_AU37.rod
       VCID: 38751CC583482DE197B-806D
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 5Q0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 3Q0 959 655 AC    HW: 3Q0 959 655 AC
       Component: Airbag VW20   012 0200  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 003P4PL802TV
       Coding: 98CCC000000000005C5400CC000800000065
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20TS6VW48X 001116
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW20TS6VW48X.rod
       VCID: 7F0737D9E6E6DAD9161-802A
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 001 809 14
       Component: SideSensor_Df  008 0887 
       Serial number: 3576U000000E2A490116
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 002 109 14
       Component: SideSensor_Pf  008 0887 
       Serial number: 3586U000000F9B8D311R
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 802 909 14
       Component: SideSensor_Dr  111 0148 
       Serial number: 3516R3D34DC040000008
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 802 909 14
       Component: SideSensor_Pr  111 0148 
       Serial number: 3526RCA3DDC04000000O
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side: 
       Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 209 14
       Component: FrontSensor_D  114 0149 
       Serial number: 3556VF1DDA604000000Q
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5Q0-953-549.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 EJ    HW: 5Q0 953 549 C
       Component: Lenks. Modul  002 0110  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 05101404220884
       Coding: 6C10
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00063
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 017001
       ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_SK37.rod
       VCID: 0201BE2D9514B73179F-8057
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb
       Part No SW: 5E0 920 751     HW: 5E0 920 751 
       Component: KOMBI         304 4270  
       Coding: 07A502186D80000801882A031000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009037
       ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_SK37.rod
       VCID: 62C19EAD7554173119F-8037
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 18: Aux. Heat (J364)       Labels: 5Q0-963-272.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 963 272 C    HW: 5Q0 963 272 C
       Component: STH-MQB       006 0069  
       Coding: 9309
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AuxilParkiHeateWOS 002014
       ROD: EV_AuxilParkiHeateWOS.rod
       VCID: 366912FD895CDB91857-8063
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 963 513     HW: 5Q0 963 513 
       Component: R149 T91-LIN  003 0301 
       Serial number: 00000000000000959070
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 T    HW: 5Q0 907 530 F
       Component: GW MQB High   128 1188  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 0002549744
       Coding: 030100040F087300EF00025A1C0F00010001050000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 011016
       ROD: EV_GatewLear.rod
       VCID: 42817E2DD594773139F-8017
    
       Alternator: 
    
       Multifunction unit control module: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5E0 919 719 B    HW: 5E0 919 719 B
       Component: E221__MFL-PR6  H05 0130 
       Serial number: 000000000B1894230914
    
       Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 E    HW: 5Q0 915 181 E
       Component: J367-BDMHella  H03 8043 
       Serial number: 4977624603          
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels: 5Q0-905-861.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 905 861 A    HW: 5Q0 905 861 A
       Component: ELV-MQBA      H01 0120  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 14000267699004
       Coding: 5D00000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMQB 004111
       ROD: EV_ELVMarquMQB_AU37.rod
       VCID: 346D28F59F20C981BB3-8061
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q4 959 593 B    HW: 5Q4 959 593 B
       Component: TSG FS        009 0014  
       Serial number: 0000120566063 
       Coding: 00150020D000040000001100
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT 006001
       ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
       VCID: 448D7835CF8079010B3-8011
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 811 A    HW: 5Q0 959 811 A
       Component: FOND_FHSG_DRV  005 0005 
       Serial number: 00000000000004003919
       Coding: 010200
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels: 5Q0-909-144.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 P    HW: 5Q0 909 144 P
       Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  123 1043  
       Coding: 9102
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 010031
       ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_SE37.rod
       VCID: 41837121D0926C29205-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q4 959 592 B    HW: 5Q4 959 592 B
       Component: TSG BFS       009 0014  
       Serial number: 0000120646816 
       Coding: 00150020DC00040000001100
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT 006001
       ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
       VCID: 438F7B29CA8E7E39329-8016
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 812 A    HW: 5Q0 959 812 A
       Component: FOND_FHSG_PSG  005 0005 
       Serial number: 00000000000003923673
       Coding: 190200
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 55: Headlight Range (J745)       Labels: 7P6-907-357.clb
       Part No SW: 7P6 907 357 D    HW: 7P6 907 357 A
       Component: AFS-ECU       H07 0090  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 03CA02003F000000
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00063
       ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFSMQB 001120
       ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFSMQB.rod
       VCID: 40857425DB9865212FB-8015
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1T0 941 329 B    HW: 1T0 941 329 B
       Component: LeiMo links  H06 0009 
       Coding: 3E0000
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 1T0 941 329 B    HW: 1T0 941 329 B
       Component: LeiMo rechts  H06 0009 
       Coding: 3E0000
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 5E0 035 840 A    HW: 5E0 035 840 A
       Component: MU-S--ER      041 0435  
       Serial number: S3E00510140218
       Coding: 03730100FF00000011110001000000002F0000940100010002
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00063
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CPASE 002039
       ROD: EV_MUStd4CPASE_SE37.rod
       VCID: 1F47D75906A67AD9761-804A
    
       Media Player Position 1: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5E0 919 605 B    HW: 5E0 919 605 B
       Component: ABT_Std_Plus  H60 0030 
       Serial number: SKZ8Z9PT100A8B      
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address A5: Frt Sens. Drv. Assist (R242)       Labels: 5Q0-980-653.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 980 653 F    HW: 5Q0 980 653 
       Component: MQB_MFK       H06 0052  
       Serial number: 10000140789   
       Coding: 0100010001030300000400000100000100
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MFKBoschAU370 001001
       ROD: EV_MFKBoschAU370.rod
       VCID: 3B7F03C9B27E06F97A9-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 05:22)--------------------------

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    Maybe a fault has been logged with mileage.

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    This is what I've first checked, but this is also what mileage ''tweakers'' delete first .

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    Hey all,

    I'm new to this forum.

    I'm also interested in finding a way to validate the mileage shown on the instrument cluster. I understand that apart from the EDC15-16 check (-> some diesels only), there are really no options to have a reliable reading of the mileage.

    But there are quite good guesstimations based on the overall operation time of certain other ECUs (head units, climate control units etc.) that store such information. E.g. some Audi MMI units have an optime counter in their hidden service menus.
    Assuming a typical average Bordrechner speed of a car of around 35..60 km/h overall (assuming city and highway averages), one can calculate a 'virtual' mileage that, if much more (e.g. 20% more) than the indicated mileage, is sign that the car reverses a lot.

    Now, I'm looking for the same type of information on other VW brands like Skoda and VW. No mileages just some operation time info on head units or other ECUs that could store it.

    Could such data be read out read out with VCDS? Or could this be possible in future releases?

    I assume, within the VW group, head units are often re-used so there not too many models to cover.
    Like the EDC counter, this would prove nothing but gives an indication for double-checking.

    Thanks

    Blazs

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    I don't recall seeing Hobbs Meter type values anywhere, but I haven't really looked for them either.

    The results from the Ross-Tech fleet of cars would be interesting no doubt. They don't spend much time reversing, but they do spend a lot of time connected to Shore Power with the ignition switched on while we do development and testing.

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    Finding any sources would be superb!

    Car dealers where I live (Eastern EU) are blackbelt pros in faking and lying so any clue that the story they want to sell is made up, could prevent buying a lemon (here, lemon = can't be tracked what was serviced and when, what to service next and when). On EDC cars, I've seen 200k+ km reversing records between two inspections, the dealer lying without turning a hair when asking about it (odometer tampering is a crime but no one can prove who did it)... Here, people still remember the older Eastern bloc cars that needed major repairs just after 60-80k kms, after 120k they were considered FUBAR. The low mileage as a benchmark of good deal/reliability remained, so <100k is a selling point, >200k makes a price breakdown. But these cars still look and feel good, so the odometer stops rolling on used cars near 200k, no matter if 5 or 10 years old. They wouldn't buy a 300k car no matter how good it is or how genuine the service history... Any signs of a rollback would invalidate all statements about the servicing history, belt jobs etc. and it becomes the part of the deal (some major repairs assumed and discounted from the price), something dealers or sellers don't want. Since most cars are manual here (auto trannies are avoided due to repair costs and reliability issues), we have one less option to get info about the mileage.

    Btw, knowing that older DSGs still contains this little clue, I might consider those cars too.

    (p.s. I took part in some ECU software development and the ECU I was working on, contains such a counter. )

    Blazs

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomastomas View Post
    hi,

    would anyone know how to do the following for the golf gti mk7:


    1. confirm if the mileage showing is the cluster has not been tampered
    2. how to check if the ecu has not been tuned or altered
    3. is there away to reset the obd counter when modifying the ecu to make it untraceable

    thank you
    1. No
    2. read flash and post to check turbo pressure limiter, injection map and DTC table
    3. more than 5 that I am aware off

    Some tools allow you to send hex command directly to module.......so do not rely on any digital signature in the modern vehicles

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