2015 Golf 5F issue

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Dealership just replaced 5F module in a clients 2015 Golf TDi Sportwagen and now we can't code it for the needed correction. Car came stock with Fender audio package and a couple years ago we coded it to non Fender for full Audison upgrade before NavTv had a Most 150 adapter. We are using the clients HEX+CAN and have successfully tested two other vehicle with his HEX+CAN. The new 5F is causing two messages to appear - "no coding available for this ecu" and "appears to be an uninitialized control module". The other two cars did not do this. Car has been back to the dealership twice for two different mistakes on their part but still can't get this working. Any ideas? What info can I supply that may help with this issue?
 
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Tuesday,14,July,2020,15:39:03:17610
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20200331 DS317.0
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VIN: 3VWCA7AUXFM518785   License Plate: 
Mileage: 47342km-29416mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: AU-VW37 (5Q0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 2B 42 44 47 52 5F 75

VIN: 3VWCA7AUXFM518785   Mileage: 47342km-29416miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
75-Telematics -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CRUA)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04L 997 022 N    HW: 04L 907 309 
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI   X23 9459  
   Revision: 85X23---    
   Coding: 011D0012032410081000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L997022N 004002
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L997022N.rod
   VCID: 3B7EF7C4B2216A5E1E-806E

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 1 0 

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels: 0D9-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 0D9 300 041 N    HW: 02E 927 770 AQ
   Component: DQ250-6F MQB  H53 4512  
   Revision: 05853104    Serial number: TFK01504010463
   Coding: 0014
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00087
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ250021 001001
   ROD: EV_TCMDQ250021.rod
   VCID: 234E2FA42A91329E36-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-ESP-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 379 P    HW: 3Q0 907 379 C
   Component: ESC           H32 0385  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 51255000002645
   Coding: 04FA6AA124210974007E020881C82520562490004081A4B200630050C002
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP 034033
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP_034_VW37.rod
   VCID: 47969B34FEE93EBE8A-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-435.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 435 A    HW: 5Q0 959 435 
   Component: VWKESSYMQB    021 0604  
   Revision: 00021000    Serial number: 0366778540
   Coding: 030C0C
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB 002011
   ROD: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB_002.rod
   VCID: 3A70F2C0BD1B535605-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5G0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5GM 907 044 A    HW: 5GM 907 044 A
   Component: Climatronic   H03 1001  
   Revision: 00001K01    
   Coding: 02020124202100000005000012111400
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 003018
   ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_003_VW37.rod
   VCID: 42808A20D5CB1B965D-8016

   Fresh Air Blower Front: 

   Geber für Kältemitteldruck/Kältemitteltemperatur: 

   Air quality sensor: 

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 5Q0-937-08X-HV1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 087 R    HW: 5Q0 937 087 R
   Component: BCM PQ37BOSCH 028 0145  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 86582104150011
   Coding: 00511846404182E969E44080401407001800000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00224
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BodyContrModul1UDSBosc 014004
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_014.rod
   VCID: 4A90A200EDFBC3D695-801E

   Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5GM 955 119     HW: 5GM 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
043 0581 
   Serial number:         150608093956
   Coding: 57575320202020313530343131

   Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547 A    HW: 5Q0 955 547 A  Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
   Component: RLHS  037 0059 
   Serial number: S4Y15M04D22H12M00S25
   Coding: 90A8DD

   Sun Roof: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 591 A    HW: 8V3 959 591 A
   Component: J245 PS22.409  H03 0004 
   Serial number: 0000FST000850JW00000
   Coding: 191800

   Roof Blind: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 591 A    HW: 8V3 959 591 A
H03 0004 
   Serial number: 0000FST000850IV00000
   Coding: 4A33393420505332322E343039

   Relative Air Humidity Interior Sender: 

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 J    HW: 5Q0 959 655 J
   Component: AirbagVW20    009 0825  
   Serial number: 003GCR01STJ6
   Coding: 8CCCFC00000000005000001AC24800000065
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002138
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X_VW37.rod
   VCID: 47969B34FEE93EBE8A-8012

   Occupant Detection: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 959 339 B    HW: 4M0 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H11 0021 
   Serial number: IBH0000J150002U2B10V
   Coding: 303137

   Side Sensor Driver Front: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 304 15
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
   Serial number: 35700000000E7890141G
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 002 005 15
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
   Serial number: 35800000000E5485941N
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 404 15
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  001 6149 
   Serial number: 35100029B1A878640391
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 404 15
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3520002AB1A8785473BB
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Driver: 
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 404 15
   Component: FrontSensor_D  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3550002C119EFF5462DQ
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Passenger: 
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 404 15
   Component: FrontSensor_P  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3560002C319EFF51D31M
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J524)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 569 A    HW: 5Q0 953 569 A
   Component: Lenks.Modul   075 0235  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 20171128500852
   Coding: 0410
   Shop #: WSC 57940 002 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB 001016
   ROD: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB.rod
   VCID: 3C7CF4D8B72F6D6617-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 5G1 920 841     HW: 5G1 920 841 
   Component: KOMBI         243 4270  
   Coding: 0BA4121A2180CF0502086A001000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00224
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009037
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW37.rod
   VCID: 65CA71BC64250CAE98-8030

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 AB    HW: 5Q0 907 530 L
   Component: GW MQB Mid    211 2203  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 06051510001314
   Coding: 0901000800087300EF0002081C0F00000001050000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07030
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewConti 011020
   ROD: EV_GatewConti_011.rod
   VCID: 71E215ECA0EDD00EF4-8024

   Alternator: 

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
H16 0101 
   Serial number: 29150000917720065186

   Power Converter DC AC: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 907 155 A    HW: 5Q0 907 155 A
   Component: WECHSELRICHTE  H53 0041 
   Serial number: 0071703             

No fault code found.

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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels:* 5Q0-905-861.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 905 861 A    HW: 5Q0 905 861 A
   Component: ELV-MQBA      H01 0120  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 15000087278003
   Coding: 5D00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07030
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMQB 004111
   ROD: EV_ELVMarquMQB.rod
   VCID: 346CDCF89F7FA526DF-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 593 B    HW: 5Q0 959 593 B
   Component: TSG FS        020 0025  
   Serial number: 18051506050F7U
   Coding: 003A13200000040000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 40848028DBC709864B-8014

   Drivers Door Rear Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 811 D    HW: 5Q4 959 811 D  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: Fond FHSG DRV  007 0002 
   Serial number: 00000000000001280972
   Coding: 011000

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 R    HW: 5Q0 909 144 R
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  126 1061  
   Coding: 0102
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00087
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 012140
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_012_VW37.rod
   VCID: 438E8F24CAD1129E56-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:| 5G0-035-456.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 035 456     HW: 5G0 035 456 
   Component: MIB_lite_amp  H40 0070  
   Serial number: VWZ8Z1FC402SVN%
   Coding: 22000000AAAAAA0000
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AMPMst12C1ALPI 001007
   ROD: EV_AMPMst12C1ALPI.rod
   VCID: 63CE6FA46A11729E76-8036

8 Faults Found:
0532 - Rear Right Bass Speaker 
          B1067 13 [143] - Open Circuit
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 70
                    Mileage: 47342 km
                    Date: 2020.07.14
                    Time: 15:08:42

0537 - Rear Left Bass Speaker 
          B1065 13 [143] - Open Circuit
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 70
                    Mileage: 47342 km
                    Date: 2020.07.14
                    Time: 15:08:42

0565 - Loudspeaker 1 in Double-Subwoofer 
          B130C 13 [143] - Open Circuit
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 70
                    Mileage: 47342 km
                    Date: 2020.07.14
                    Time: 15:08:42

0560 - Front Right Treble Speaker 
          B1064 13 [143] - Open Circuit
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 70
                    Mileage: 47342 km
                    Date: 2020.07.14
                    Time: 15:08:42

0527 - Double Bass Speaker 1; Front Right 
          B1346 13 [143] - Open Circuit
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 70
                    Mileage: 47342 km
                    Date: 2020.07.14
                    Time: 15:08:42

0570 - Loudspeaker 2 in Double-Subwoofer 
          B130D 13 [143] - Open Circuit
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 70
                    Mileage: 47342 km
                    Date: 2020.07.14
                    Time: 15:08:42

0575 - Double Bass Speaker 1; Front Left 
          B1345 13 [143] - Open Circuit
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 70
                    Mileage: 47342 km
                    Date: 2020.07.14
                    Time: 15:08:42

0585 - Front Left Treble Speaker 
          B1061 13 [143] - Open Circuit
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 70
                    Mileage: 47342 km
                    Date: 2020.07.14
                    Time: 15:08:42


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 592 B    HW: 5Q0 959 592 B
   Component: TSG BFS       020 0025  
   Serial number: 220515060502D2
   Coding: 003A13200000040000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 3F8683D4A639767E32-806A

   Passengers Rear Door Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 812 D    HW: 5Q4 959 812 D  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: Fond FHSG PSG  007 0002 
   Serial number: 00000000000001291285
   Coding: 091000

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 5G0 035 880 A    HW: 5G0 035 880 A
   Component: MU-S-NS-US    015 0655  
   Serial number: V7B02708190037
   Coding: 027302020000000021220002001800001F0100340100010546
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CPASE 002040
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CPASE_VW37.rod
   VCID: 254A31BC24A5CCAE58-8070

   Operating And Display Unit 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G0 919 605 K    HW: 5G0 919 605 K
   Component: ABT_Std_Nav  H60 0030 
   Serial number: VWZ8Z9RS600NK0      

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 919 866 S    HW: -----------
   Component:  NAR 2015  --- 0022 
   Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Address 75: Telematics (J949)       Labels:| 5QE-035-285.clb
   Part No SW: 5QE 035 285 A    HW: 5QE 035 285 A
   Component: OCULowMQBUS   007 0564  
   Coding: 02730202C2823A017F1E06000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00322
   ASAM Dataset: EV_OCULowMQB 001003
   ROD: EV_OCULowMQB.rod
   VCID: 438E8F24CAD1129E56-8016

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:13)--------------------------
 
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OK, what exactly are you trying to change in that 5F module?

Based on the scan, the car still has a stock amplifier, but no speakers connected to it?

In the data I found, there's nothing explicit for Fender, but the type of sound system is in Byte 11, with possible values 00-03. It's currently set to 02, which is an external amp (presumably Fender?). Try 01 instead..

As for the "Uninitialized Module" warning, see the very bottom of the Coding page in the software manual:
https://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/tour/recode_screen.php

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What you are saying is what we are trying to do. By changing from 02 to 01 the internal amp in the 5F will turn on therefore making it possible to add external amplifiers without the MOST 150 adapter. This is how we used to do it. The problem is that when I go to open the long coding helper I get the "no coding available" error now which didn't happen with the original 5F module. Dealership says it isn't due to anything they have done but I didn't have this problem with the original 5F.

The factory amp is roughly installed just for testing purposes. It ultimately needs to come back out.
 
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The problem is that when I go to open the long coding helper I get the "no coding available" error now which didn't happen with the original 5F module.
If you look at the Auto-Scan you will see that for the 5F it shows that there are no labels available for the new 5F - hence why you get that message "no coding available".

All that means is that no coding can be automatically suggested for you, however that does NOT stop you manually changing the coding as Uwe has suggested by changing the hex bytes yourself.
 
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I think if you change Byte 11, Byte 04.. should also be changed.
Like this:
Code:
02730202FF00000021220001001800001F0100340100010546
 
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I think if you change Byte 11, Byte 04.. should also be changed.
Like this:
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02730202FF00000021220001001800001F0100340100010546

This is exactly what we need to do but when I try to manually enter this code I get the "uninitialized module" error and I have stopped at that point since I have never encountered this error before and was not sure how to reverse it if I choose one of the options in the error message screen.
 
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This is exactly what we need to do but when I try to manually enter this code I get the "uninitialized module" error and I have stopped at that point since I have never encountered this error before and was not sure how to reverse it if I choose one of the options in the error message screen.

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As for the "Uninitialized Module" warning, see the very bottom of the Coding page in the software manual:
https://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/tour/recode_screen.php

-Uwe-
 
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If you look at the Auto-Scan you will see that for the 5F it shows that there are no labels available for the new 5F - hence why you get that message "no coding available".

Interesting. I had not noticed that. We don't do a lot of this kind of work so I'm not real familiar with all the details.
 
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I read that part but was not sure what would happen if I choose the wrong option and wasn't sure how to correct it if I do.
 
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I read that part but was not sure what would happen if I choose the wrong option and wasn't sure how to correct it if I do.
It will either accept it or reject it. WSC, Importer, and Equipment number have no effect on a module's function, they only track who made changes.

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It will either accept it or reject it. WSC, Importer, and Equipment number have no effect on a module's function, they only track who made changes.

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That's good to know. Like I mentioned, we don't do a lot of this kind of work so I'm just not that familiar with it and don't wan't to create an even bigger issue. I will give this a try and let you know what happens.
 
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Looks like that worked! Thanks so much for all your help everyone! This has been a slow stressful process getting this figured out.
 
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