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    2015 Golf 5F issue

    Dealership just replaced 5F module in a clients 2015 Golf TDi Sportwagen and now we can't code it for the needed correction. Car came stock with Fender audio package and a couple years ago we coded it to non Fender for full Audison upgrade before NavTv had a Most 150 adapter. We are using the clients HEX+CAN and have successfully tested two other vehicle with his HEX+CAN. The new 5F is causing two messages to appear - "no coding available for this ecu" and "appears to be an uninitialized control module". The other two cars did not do this. Car has been back to the dealership twice for two different mistakes on their part but still can't get this working. Any ideas? What info can I supply that may help with this issue?

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    Please post a complete Auto-Scan for context.

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    Code:
    Tuesday,14,July,2020,15:39:03:17610
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 20.4.1.0 (x64)
    Data version: 20200331 DS317.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: 3VWCA7AUXFM518785   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 47342km-29416mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: AU-VW37 (5Q0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 2B 42 44 47 52 5F 75
    
    VIN: 3VWCA7AUXFM518785   Mileage: 47342km-29416miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
    75-Telematics -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (J623-CRUA)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 04L 997 022 N    HW: 04L 907 309 
       Component: R4 2.0l TDI   X23 9459  
       Revision: 85X23---    
       Coding: 011D0012032410081000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L997022N 004002
       ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L997022N.rod
       VCID: 3B7EF7C4B2216A5E1E-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 1 0 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels: 0D9-927-770.clb
       Part No SW: 0D9 300 041 N    HW: 02E 927 770 AQ
       Component: DQ250-6F MQB  H53 4512  
       Revision: 05853104    Serial number: TFK01504010463
       Coding: 0014
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00087
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ250021 001001
       ROD: EV_TCMDQ250021.rod
       VCID: 234E2FA42A91329E36-8076
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-ESP-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 3Q0 907 379 P    HW: 3Q0 907 379 C
       Component: ESC           H32 0385  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 51255000002645
       Coding: 04FA6AA124210974007E020881C82520562490004081A4B200630050C002
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP 034033
       ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP_034_VW37.rod
       VCID: 47969B34FEE93EBE8A-8012
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-435.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 959 435 A    HW: 5Q0 959 435 
       Component: VWKESSYMQB    021 0604  
       Revision: 00021000    Serial number: 0366778540
       Coding: 030C0C
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB 002011
       ROD: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB_002.rod
       VCID: 3A70F2C0BD1B535605-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5G0-907-044.clb
       Part No SW: 5GM 907 044 A    HW: 5GM 907 044 A
       Component: Climatronic   H03 1001  
       Revision: 00001K01    
       Coding: 02020124202100000005000012111400
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 003018
       ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_003_VW37.rod
       VCID: 42808A20D5CB1B965D-8016
    
       Fresh Air Blower Front: 
    
       Geber für Kältemitteldruck/Kältemitteltemperatur: 
    
       Air quality sensor: 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 5Q0-937-08X-HV1.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 937 087 R    HW: 5Q0 937 087 R
       Component: BCM PQ37BOSCH 028 0145  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 86582104150011
       Coding: 00511846404182E969E44080401407001800000000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00224
       ASAM Dataset: EV_BodyContrModul1UDSBosc 014004
       ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_014.rod
       VCID: 4A90A200EDFBC3D695-801E
    
       Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5GM 955 119     HW: 5GM 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
    043 0581 
       Serial number:         150608093956
       Coding: 57575320202020313530343131
    
       Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547 A    HW: 5Q0 955 547 A  Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
       Component: RLHS  037 0059 
       Serial number: S4Y15M04D22H12M00S25
       Coding: 90A8DD
    
       Sun Roof: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 591 A    HW: 8V3 959 591 A
       Component: J245 PS22.409  H03 0004 
       Serial number: 0000FST000850JW00000
       Coding: 191800
    
       Roof Blind: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 591 A    HW: 8V3 959 591 A
    H03 0004 
       Serial number: 0000FST000850IV00000
       Coding: 4A33393420505332322E343039
    
       Relative Air Humidity Interior Sender: 
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 J    HW: 5Q0 959 655 J
       Component: AirbagVW20    009 0825  
       Serial number: 003GCR01STJ6
       Coding: 8CCCFC00000000005000001AC24800000065
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002138
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X_VW37.rod
       VCID: 47969B34FEE93EBE8A-8012
    
       Occupant Detection: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 959 339 B    HW: 4M0 959 339 B
       Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H11 0021 
       Serial number: IBH0000J150002U2B10V
       Coding: 303137
    
       Side Sensor Driver Front: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 304 15
       Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
       Serial number: 35700000000E7890141G
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 002 005 15
       Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
       Serial number: 35800000000E5485941N
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 404 15
       Component: SideSensor_Dr  001 6149 
       Serial number: 35100029B1A878640391
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
       Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 404 15
       Component: SideSensor_Pr  001 6149 
       Serial number: 3520002AB1A8785473BB
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Front Sensor Driver: 
       Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 404 15
       Component: FrontSensor_D  001 6149 
       Serial number: 3550002C119EFF5462DQ
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Front Sensor Passenger: 
       Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 404 15
       Component: FrontSensor_P  001 6149 
       Serial number: 3560002C319EFF51D31M
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel (J524)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 953 569 A    HW: 5Q0 953 569 A
       Component: Lenks.Modul   075 0235  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 20171128500852
       Coding: 0410
       Shop #: WSC 57940 002 1048576
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB 001016
       ROD: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB.rod
       VCID: 3C7CF4D8B72F6D6617-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
       Part No SW: 5G1 920 841     HW: 5G1 920 841 
       Component: KOMBI         243 4270  
       Coding: 0BA4121A2180CF0502086A001000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00224
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009037
       ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW37.rod
       VCID: 65CA71BC64250CAE98-8030
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 AB    HW: 5Q0 907 530 L
       Component: GW MQB Mid    211 2203  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 06051510001314
       Coding: 0901000800087300EF0002081C0F00000001050000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07030
       ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewConti 011020
       ROD: EV_GatewConti_011.rod
       VCID: 71E215ECA0EDD00EF4-8024
    
       Alternator: 
    
       Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
    H16 0101 
       Serial number: 29150000917720065186
    
       Power Converter DC AC: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 907 155 A    HW: 5Q0 907 155 A
       Component: WECHSELRICHTE  H53 0041 
       Serial number: 0071703             
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels:* 5Q0-905-861.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 905 861 A    HW: 5Q0 905 861 A
       Component: ELV-MQBA      H01 0120  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 15000087278003
       Coding: 5D00000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07030
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMQB 004111
       ROD: EV_ELVMarquMQB.rod
       VCID: 346CDCF89F7FA526DF-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 959 593 B    HW: 5Q0 959 593 B
       Component: TSG FS        020 0025  
       Serial number: 18051506050F7U
       Coding: 003A13200000040000000000
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXKLO 006003
       ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
       VCID: 40848028DBC709864B-8014
    
       Drivers Door Rear Control Module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 811 D    HW: 5Q4 959 811 D  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
       Component: Fond FHSG DRV  007 0002 
       Serial number: 00000000000001280972
       Coding: 011000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 R    HW: 5Q0 909 144 R
       Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  126 1061  
       Coding: 0102
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00087
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 012140
       ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_012_VW37.rod
       VCID: 438E8F24CAD1129E56-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:| 5G0-035-456.clb
       Part No SW: 5G0 035 456     HW: 5G0 035 456 
       Component: MIB_lite_amp  H40 0070  
       Serial number: VWZ8Z1FC402SVN%
       Coding: 22000000AAAAAA0000
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AMPMst12C1ALPI 001007
       ROD: EV_AMPMst12C1ALPI.rod
       VCID: 63CE6FA46A11729E76-8036
    
    8 Faults Found:
    0532 - Rear Right Bass Speaker 
              B1067 13 [143] - Open Circuit
              [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
              MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 70
                        Mileage: 47342 km
                        Date: 2020.07.14
                        Time: 15:08:42
    
    0537 - Rear Left Bass Speaker 
              B1065 13 [143] - Open Circuit
              [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
              MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 70
                        Mileage: 47342 km
                        Date: 2020.07.14
                        Time: 15:08:42
    
    0565 - Loudspeaker 1 in Double-Subwoofer 
              B130C 13 [143] - Open Circuit
              MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 70
                        Mileage: 47342 km
                        Date: 2020.07.14
                        Time: 15:08:42
    
    0560 - Front Right Treble Speaker 
              B1064 13 [143] - Open Circuit
              [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
              MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 70
                        Mileage: 47342 km
                        Date: 2020.07.14
                        Time: 15:08:42
    
    0527 - Double Bass Speaker 1; Front Right 
              B1346 13 [143] - Open Circuit
              MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 70
                        Mileage: 47342 km
                        Date: 2020.07.14
                        Time: 15:08:42
    
    0570 - Loudspeaker 2 in Double-Subwoofer 
              B130D 13 [143] - Open Circuit
              MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 70
                        Mileage: 47342 km
                        Date: 2020.07.14
                        Time: 15:08:42
    
    0575 - Double Bass Speaker 1; Front Left 
              B1345 13 [143] - Open Circuit
              MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 70
                        Mileage: 47342 km
                        Date: 2020.07.14
                        Time: 15:08:42
    
    0585 - Front Left Treble Speaker 
              B1061 13 [143] - Open Circuit
              [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
              MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 70
                        Mileage: 47342 km
                        Date: 2020.07.14
                        Time: 15:08:42
    
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 959 592 B    HW: 5Q0 959 592 B
       Component: TSG BFS       020 0025  
       Serial number: 220515060502D2
       Coding: 003A13200000040000000000
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXKLO 006003
       ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
       VCID: 3F8683D4A639767E32-806A
    
       Passengers Rear Door Control Module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 812 D    HW: 5Q4 959 812 D  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
       Component: Fond FHSG PSG  007 0002 
       Serial number: 00000000000001291285
       Coding: 091000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:* None
       Part No SW: 5G0 035 880 A    HW: 5G0 035 880 A
       Component: MU-S-NS-US    015 0655  
       Serial number: V7B02708190037
       Coding: 027302020000000021220002001800001F0100340100010546
       Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CPASE 002040
       ROD: EV_MUStd4CPASE_VW37.rod
       VCID: 254A31BC24A5CCAE58-8070
    
       Operating And Display Unit 1: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G0 919 605 K    HW: 5G0 919 605 K
       Component: ABT_Std_Nav  H60 0030 
       Serial number: VWZ8Z9RS600NK0      
    
       Data medium: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 919 866 S    HW: -----------
       Component:  NAR 2015  --- 0022 
       Serial number: --------------------
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 75: Telematics (J949)       Labels:| 5QE-035-285.clb
       Part No SW: 5QE 035 285 A    HW: 5QE 035 285 A
       Component: OCULowMQBUS   007 0564  
       Coding: 02730202C2823A017F1E06000000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00322
       ASAM Dataset: EV_OCULowMQB 001003
       ROD: EV_OCULowMQB.rod
       VCID: 438E8F24CAD1129E56-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:13)--------------------------
    Last edited by Uwe; 07-15-2020 at 07:57 PM.

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    OK, what exactly are you trying to change in that 5F module?

    Based on the scan, the car still has a stock amplifier, but no speakers connected to it?

    In the data I found, there's nothing explicit for Fender, but the type of sound system is in Byte 11, with possible values 00-03. It's currently set to 02, which is an external amp (presumably Fender?). Try 01 instead..

    As for the "Uninitialized Module" warning, see the very bottom of the Coding page in the software manual:
    https://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/tour/recode_screen.php

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    What you are saying is what we are trying to do. By changing from 02 to 01 the internal amp in the 5F will turn on therefore making it possible to add external amplifiers without the MOST 150 adapter. This is how we used to do it. The problem is that when I go to open the long coding helper I get the "no coding available" error now which didn't happen with the original 5F module. Dealership says it isn't due to anything they have done but I didn't have this problem with the original 5F.

    The factory amp is roughly installed just for testing purposes. It ultimately needs to come back out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hergy916 View Post
    The problem is that when I go to open the long coding helper I get the "no coding available" error now which didn't happen with the original 5F module.
    If you look at the Auto-Scan you will see that for the 5F it shows that there are no labels available for the new 5F - hence why you get that message "no coding available".

    All that means is that no coding can be automatically suggested for you, however that does NOT stop you manually changing the coding as Uwe has suggested by changing the hex bytes yourself.

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    I think if you change Byte 11, Byte 04.. should also be changed.
    Like this:
    Code:
    02730202FF00000021220001001800001F0100340100010546

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEtech View Post
    I think if you change Byte 11, Byte 04.. should also be changed.
    Like this:
    Code:
    02730202FF00000021220001001800001F0100340100010546
    This is exactly what we need to do but when I try to manually enter this code I get the "uninitialized module" error and I have stopped at that point since I have never encountered this error before and was not sure how to reverse it if I choose one of the options in the error message screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hergy916 View Post
    This is exactly what we need to do but when I try to manually enter this code I get the "uninitialized module" error and I have stopped at that point since I have never encountered this error before and was not sure how to reverse it if I choose one of the options in the error message screen.


    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    As for the "Uninitialized Module" warning, see the very bottom of the Coding page in the software manual:
    https://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/tour/recode_screen.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolDave View Post
    If you look at the Auto-Scan you will see that for the 5F it shows that there are no labels available for the new 5F - hence why you get that message "no coding available".
    Interesting. I had not noticed that. We don't do a lot of this kind of work so I'm not real familiar with all the details.

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