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    Start of injection

    Hello all
    In order to do retard or advance start of injection, must the engine be cold to do it or not?
    It's 2.5 TDI ACV engine
    Thanks

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    Please post an Auto-Scan for context.

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    Code:
    Saturday,30,May,2020,21:01:26:04619
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 20.4.0.1 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20200331 DS317.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    
    
    Chassis Type: 70 (7D - VW Transporter/Multivan (1996 > 2004))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 18 19 22 25 35 37 56
     
    VIN: WV2ZZZ70Z3H072256   
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 074-906-018-ACV.lbl
       Part No: 074 906 018 AL
       Component: 2,5l R5 EDC 0000SG  3906  
       Coding: 00002
       Shop #: WSC 02757  
       VCID: 6099A6BB035283BB332-4B7A
       WV2ZZZ70Z3H072256     VWZ1Z0B2287109
    
    2 Faults Found:
    19561 - Valve for Intake Manifold Flap (N239) 
                P3105 - 35-10 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
    17656 - Start of Injection Timing Regulation 
                P1248 - 35-10 - Control Deviation - Intermittent
    Readiness: N/A
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-614-111-EDS.lbl
       Part No: 7D0 614 111 B
       Component: ABS/EDS 5.3         D00  
       Shop #: BB 24258  
       VCID: 1B63D1576AB4E063A60-51F2
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No: 7D0 920 802 Q
       Component: T4-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V01   
       Coding: 01122
       Shop #: WSC 19411  
       VCID: 313F13FF18387A33ECC-5184
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00562 - Sensor for Oil Level/Temperature (G266) 
                30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
    00562 - Sensor for Oil Level/Temperature (G266) 
                27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
       Coding: 00000
       Shop #: WSC 02757  
       VCID: 70B9D6FBD3B2333BA32-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 6X0-953-257.lbl
       Part No: 6X0 953 257 
       Component: IMMO                0008  
       Coding: 00001
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 7DA7FFCF94E04E53384-4B3C
       WV2ZZZ70Z3H072256     VWZ1Z0B2287109
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01176 - Key 
                65-10 - Unauthorized - Intermittent
    
    End----(Elapsed Time: 02:48, VBatt start/end: 13.7V/13.8V. VIgn 0.0V)------

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    What does RTFB say?

    Just kidding, no I'm not, it can be done at specific temps correlating to map of ECT and Fuel temp in RTFB to dial indicator or pump for belt.

    Model Transp. Kombi
    TR
    Date of production 25.10.2002
    Model year 2003
    Sales type 7DB1Y2
    Engine Code ACV
    Transmission Code DXZ


    Emission standard 0GE Emission standard EU3


    JPPSG
    https://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...uot-JPPSG-quot

    RTFB

    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...ir_Information

    Vehicles 09.94▸


    ‒ Remove radiator grille:
    => General body repairs; Repair group 66; Servicing radiator grille


    Continued for all vehicles


    ‒ → Remove left and right-hand securing bolts -1-.
    Note:


    Vehicles 09.94▸there is 1 securing bolt on each left and right-hand side of lock carrier.


    ‒ Fold lock carrier with radiator out forwards -arrow-.



    ‒ Remove injection pump toothed belt guard.
    ‒ Turn crankshaft in engine direction of rotation to TDC No. 1 cylinder:
    → Engine installed


    ‒ Marks -arrows- on injection pump sprocket/console -C- and on flywheel/clutch bell housing -A- or drive plate/clutch bell housing -B-must align.



    → Engine removed


    ‒ Set TDC setting device 2068 A to 82 mm -arrow A-, the left scale mark is the reference point.
    ‒ Fit setting device as shown. Turn crankshaft until TDC mark on flywheel/drive plate aligns with edge of setting device -arrow B- and marks on injection pump sprocket and console also align.
    Note:


    This condition only occurs every 2nd TDC position.



    ‒ → Lock injection pump sprocket with pin 2064.
    ‒ Mark D.O.R. of toothed belt.
    ‒ Hold injection pump drive sprocket with counter-hold 3036. Remove securing bolt and take off drive sprocket with toothed belt.
    Installing, tensioning


    ‒ Check whether TDC mark on flywheel and reference mark are aligned.



    ‒ Install injection pump drive toothed belt with injection pump drive sprocket. Tighten securing bolt until the drive sprocket can still just be turned by hand. For used toothed belts note direction of rotation.
    ‒ → Check toothed belt tension with test unit VW 210.
    Scale value: 12...13
    If scale value is not achieved:



    ‒ → Adjust toothed belt tension to scale value after loosening securing bolts -arrows- and moving console (with injection pump).
    If scale value is achieved:


    ‒ Remove pin 2064 from injection pump sprocket.



    ‒ → Install adapter for gauge 2066 and gauge (measuring range 0...3 mm) with 2.0 mm preload in place of sealing plug.
    ‒ Check that crankshaft is still on TDC No. 1 cylinder and adjust commencement of injection as follows:
    Notes:


    ◆ The vehicle must be raised and readings made from below to enable the gauge to read whilst turning injection pump drive sprocket.
    ◆ A second mechanic is required to observe the flywheel/clutch bell housing markings when checking the commencement of injection whilst turning crankshaft back and forth.



    ‒ → Turn injection pump drive sprocket against engine direction of rotation -direction of arrow A- using counter-hold 3036 until the gauge needle does not move any more.
    ‒ Set gauge to "0".
    ‒ Turn injection pump drive sprocket in engine direction of rotation -direction of arrow B- using counter-hold 3036 until the gauge reads:
    Engine code AAB
    1.00 0.02 mm lift (commencement of injection).
    Engine code AJA
    0.90 0.02 mm lift (commencement of injection).
    ‒ Hold injection pump drive sprocket in this position with counter-hold 3036 and pre-tighten to
    50 Nm.
    Note:


    The commencement of injection must be checked again by turning crankshaft back via vibration damper to gauge reading "0" and forward to TDC. The value will deviate due to toothed belt step.


    ‒ The commencement of injection is to be reset a second time taking deviation into account.
    Example:




    -
    First value
    Checked value
    1.00
    0.93
    mm
    mm

    =
    Deviation
    0.07
    mm



    Value for second adjustment
    1.07
    mm



    ‒ Hold injection pump drive sprocket, after second adjustment with counter-hold 3036 and tighten to
    100 Nm.
    ‒ Install toothed belt guard for injection pump.
    ‒ Install radiator with lock carrier.
    ‒ Install insulation tray.


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    thanks @jack for your reply
    may i ask what procedure posted in sqaure?
    is it for changing timing belt ? is it changing timing belt necessary for start of injection ?
    the auto-scan posted is for my personal car and everyone been telling me its 1998 made
    im surprised its 2003 and if i tell them that they'll think im noob "which iam" 😂😂
    sorry for my silly question

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    RTFB........ Erwin!

    Variables sort them!

    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...6/P1248/004680

    Doesn't T or Cam belt have to be set and pump put to location for commencement than all locked down as per RTFB?

    Israel has spoken!

    Stop trying to circumvent the RTFB by being lazy stay on track!

    Any shared train current tracks on way to the camps in WD for other DTC?

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    Doesn't T or Cam belt have to be set and pump put to location for commencement than all locked down as per RTFB?
    i dont know tbh
    i saw this video and i thought that what only needed to be done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEguZWbEE9g

    Any shared train current tracks on way to the camps in WD for other DTC?
    i dont know what exactly you mean

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    Quote Originally Posted by khaledabdulaziz View Post
    In order to do retard or advance start of injection, must the engine be cold to do it or not?
    No it should be thoroughly warm.

    Quote Originally Posted by khaledabdulaziz View Post
    i saw this video and i thought that what only needed to be done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEguZWbEE9g
    Yes, this should be applicable.

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    thanks @Uwe and @Jack

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    I will say this to clarify.

    Timing or commencement of injection can not be mechanically intermittent.

    Therefore it is most likely related to fuel quality, air in system, contamination or a wiring issue and sometimes a bad commencement valve or ECU.

    In VCDS Commencement can be verified by initiating outputs for commencement valve, then switching to watching the measuring blocks for full swing of sweep of injection commencement valve in pump to advance injection timing.

    0x01-03 commence test quickly exit to 0x01-08-000 log and report data in post.

    Value is 0> over 200 maxed 255
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