Retrofitted Discover Media PQ into Golf5/Jetta5

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Hi guys,

I have a strange problem with a Jetta MK5 of a friend of mine. We did retrofit a Discover Media PQ B type and all works fine only navigation doesn't function as it should be.
GPS Signal has been checked and is perfect, so it finds directly fix.
SD card has been checked and works perfect

Problem we encountered is that after entering destination, the route is calculated good. But when driving, the map is not sliding. It is only updating via GPS fix every 30 or 40 seconds. Also rerouting after driving wrong direction is not functioning.
It looks like it does not get speed signal. But when I check with my VCDS and open module 5F measure block and check vehicle speed, as soon as I drive it gives speed information.
I have updated the 1K0 Q type gateway to AD version. I only forgot to clear the errors in module 01 after gateway update...


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VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x86
VCDS Version: 20.4.0.1
Data version: 20200331 DS317.0
www.Ross-Tech.com

Dealer/Shop Name: Haarsma
Workshop Code: 123 12345 012345

VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ8M006945   License Plate: OANE
Mileage: 215630km-133986mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 37 42 44 46 52 56 62 72 77

VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ8M006945   Mileage: 215630km-133986miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-016-BKC.clb
   Part No SW: 03G 906 021 PM    HW: 03G 906 021 AN
   Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000SG  1136  
   Revision: --H07---    Serial number: VWX7Z0G524I0BY
   Coding: 0000071
   Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032
   VCID: 79F3C70D3011524E45-802C

7 Faults Found:
005712 - Powertrain Data Bus 
               P1650 - 000 - Missing Message from Instrument Cluster - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 215630 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 18:57:34

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.54 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00101000
                    Torque: 0.0 Nm
                    Torque: 351.4 Nm

005785 - Powertrain Data Bus 
               P1699 - 000 - Missing Message from Steering Wheel Electronics - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 215630 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 18:57:34

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.54 V
                    Bin. Bits: 11101000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000
                    (no units): 0.0

005785 - Powertrain Data Bus 
               P1699 - 000 - Missing Message from Steering Wheel Electronics - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 215630 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 18:57:34

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.54 V
                    Bin. Bits: 11101000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000
                    (no units): 0.0

049478 - No Communication with Diagnostic Gateway 
               U0146 - 000 -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 215630 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 18:57:34

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.54 V
                    Bin. Bits: 11001000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000
                    (no units): 0.0

006272 - Powertrain Data Bus 
               P1880 - 000 - Missing Message from Diagnostic Gateway - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 215630 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 18:57:34

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.54 V
                    Bin. Bits: 11001000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000
                    (no units): 0.0

005685 - Powertrain Data Bus 
               P1635 - 000 - Missing Message from A/C Controller - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 215630 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 18:57:34

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.54 V
                    Bin. Bits: 11001000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000
                    (no units): 16.0

053273 - Control Module for Instrument Cluster 
               U1019 - 000 - Missing Signal for Oil Level/Temperature - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 215630 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 18:57:34

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.46 V
                    Bin. Bits: 11001000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000
                    (no units): 0.0

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK70.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 379 P
   Component: ASR FRONT MK70      0105  
   Coding: 0017025
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 3F8769156EB5BC7E3B-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 044 BR    HW: 1K0 907 044 BR
   Component: ClimatronicPQ35 120 1111  
   Revision: 00120021    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 78F5C2090B1B4B463A-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AH    HW: 3C0 937 049 AH
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2202  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000000676395
   Coding: 00010E2700041500470A00000F000000000959035C000100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 6FE7F9557E550CFEEB-803A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 040707 020  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 00066  

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
   Component: 2J AIRBAG VW8   020 2300  
   Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 0038PD17ZGXC  
   Coding: 0012874
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 3D7B131D64B9AE6E29-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME181A30453

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME185823649

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HSME0D641C08B

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HSME0D630D4FM

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AP    HW: 1K0 953 549 AP
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 036 0070  
   Coding: 0000041
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 0005AAE953CB038602-8054

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 864 B    HW: 1K0 920 864 B
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT 3HL 1212  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0G524I0BY
   Coding: 0019103
   Shop #: WSC 80093 222 69422
   VCID: 2B5F2D458ACD30DE87-807E

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AD    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H16 0233  
   Revision:   H16       Serial number: 2720K08703001E
   Coding: E9807F06400602001002
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 69D3974D40B1E2CEB5-803C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 864 B    HW: 1K0 920 864 B
   Component: IMMO            3HL 1212  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0G524I0BY
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2B5F2D458ACD30DE87-807E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 37: Navigation
Cannot be reached

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 P    HW: 1K0 959 793 L
   Component: J386  TUER-SG FT    1133  
   Revision: 32008001    Serial number: 00000074978619
   Coding: 0000180
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 3B7F1D057AADA05E17-806E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.069 H08 1901  
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 356B0B3D5C89762EE1-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 BT    HW: 1K0 959 433 BT
   Component:    KSG PQ35 G2  020 0204  
   Revision: 00020000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 80900A0001060C7F2D04840560084F03E0FCA0
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 030FA5E542DD189E1F-8056

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 P    HW: 1K0 959 792 L
   Component: J387  TUER-SG BT    1133  
   Revision: 32008001    Serial number: 00000152178605
   Coding: 0000180
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 3C7D1E197FA3A7661E-8068

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 P    HW: 1K0 959 795 G
   Component: J388   TUER-SG HL   1120  
   Revision: 11006001    Serial number: 00000001742066
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 3D7B131D64B9AE6E29-8068

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 P    HW: 1K0 959 794 G
   Component: J389   TUER-SG HR   1120  
   Revision: 11006001    Serial number: 00000001747769
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 36362 001 1048576
   VCID: 3E79141169BFB57630-806A

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 77: Telephone
Cannot be reached

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:57)--------------------------
 
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I have also a video of the problem.
We also tested this Discover Media into my own car, and then all works as should be. So problem is somewhere in the car's canbus signal

 
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What kind of wiring harness you have?
 
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standard Kufatec. why?
I can access the unit with VCDS so canbus is connected correct.
Radio switches on/off with contact
 
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Ok. I would start by fixing the gateway installation list. Remove 37 navigation, 56 radio and add 5F multimedia unit. See if that makes the situation any better.
Clear all DTCs. Run a fresh autoscan after that and post it here.

What is your can gateway part number? Your friend has 1K0 but what is yours? It could be that the gateway is too old to support the unit. Then I’ve seen instrument cluster as one factor as well. If you have too old cluster it affects the MIB functionality. And this is on Golf. Passat seems to be much easier.
 
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If he had newer GW, the lsit would fix itself.

You really need to have them selected when fixing gw list.
But for this to function properly, You also need newer gw. Sonething from 7n0 907 530 Bx series. And You really need newer cluster and basically everything from mk6 201x+. :D
 
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ABS is tool old,
This unit not support only GPS signal, it also need ABS speed
do simple test
disconnect CAN, power up unit, and drive
check GPS status , and you will see that even with 10/10 satelites, GPS position will not move
 
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I guess that indeed ABS signal is old. Just spoke to an other guy who has also a DM in his Golf mk5. Cluster is a Black/white one from Scirrocco. He has the same issue.
If I exchange the rear speedsensors, the one with part number 1J0 927 807 for the type that I have in my Passat B6. 1K0 927 807, would that upgrade the signal ?
 
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As above. Will need to try latest available abs pump
 
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Thanks guys. There seems to be a firmware modification that solves the problem
 
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problem is not in abs sensors but the signal that is being sent via can bus from abs...

.....Problem is not ECU , only signal send from ECU
so conclusion is ??
no matter if HW , or SW - unit
 
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.....Problem is not ECU , only signal send from ECU
so conclusion is ??
no matter if HW , or SW - unit
You mean ECU or ABS? So even if you update to mk60ec1 there is still this problem?
There seems to be a firmware modification that solves the problem
If true I was interested to know what this solution was...
 
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I did DM install on a Eos on Sunday, 2007 with me7.1.1 ecu, mk60 pump revision AC and 2d colour cluster. No issues at all with navigation.
 
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I did DM install on a Eos on Sunday, 2007 with me7.1.1 ecu, mk60 pump revision AC and 2d colour cluster. No issues at all with navigation.

AC is a good one
 
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I did same retrofit in my Golf with these components. All is working perfectly, also Speed Signal. Actually there's Red GTI Dashboard so no Media and Navigation information in Dashboard. In the next few weeks there will be a Scirocco 3D Dash

Adresse 03: Bremsenelektronik Labeldatei:. DRV\1K0-614-517-MK60AT.clb
Teilenummer SW: 1K0 614 517 AC HW: 1K0 614 517 AC
Bauteil: ESP FRONT MK60-AT 0102
Revision: 00H14001
Codierung: 0037506
Betriebsnr.: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: E89CE8F1DB4D7F0FB1-80BC

Adresse 19: Diagnoseinterface (J533) Labeldatei: Keine
Teilenummer SW: 7N0 907 530 BM HW: 7N0 907 530 AK
Bauteil: J533 Gateway H57 1691
Revision: H57 Seriennummer: 130513F1001321
Codierung: 350002
Betriebsnr.: WSC 00046 000 00000
VCID: FCB4A4A17FD5C3AF45-80A8

Adresse 5F: Informationselek. I (J794) Labeldatei:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
Teilenummer SW: 5C0 035 680 G HW: 5C0 035 680 G
Bauteil: MU-S-ND-ER H40 0468
Seriennummer: VWZAZ2S5384210
Codierung: 02730001AA00000011111106008808001F0103C4002001004F
Betriebsnr.: WSC 02431 666 28888
ASAM Datensatz: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW37.rod
VCID: A502A1C5A4DFA2674A-80F0

Ok. I would start by fixing the gateway installation list. Remove 37 navigation, 56 radio and add 5F multimedia unit. See if that makes the situation any better.
Clear all DTCs. Run a fresh autoscan after that and post it here.
That's not working with Black/white Dash you'll need to have 5F and 37 active in Gateway List! If not there are no Navigation hints in MFA
 
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I did same retrofit in my Golf with these components. All is working perfectly, also Speed Signal. Actually there's Red GTI Dashboard so no Media and Navigation information in Dashboard. In the next few weeks there will be a Scirocco 3D Dash
your one is
SW: 1K0 614 517 AC HW: 1K0 614 517 AC
ESP FRONT MK60-AT 0102

MK60-AT is also good
he use Mk70 - this is extremally basic pump
 
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I know but want to share these information for the rest of people. You´re right his MK70 is crap
 
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Yesterday worked on a Golf mk5 GTI with MK60 ABS and I retrofitted also DM B type. No issues indeed.
So MK70 ABS is the problem. Hope the software fix will solve the problem in the other car with MK70 ABS
 
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