2001 Allroad, 6MT swap and other...

apbreaux · May 20, 2020

Please let me know if this needs to be posted in another section, or has been addressed elsewhere. Thanks.

I have a 2001 Allroad that has a 2.7t motor and 6-sp. MT that came out of a 2000 S4, and the car will not start. Mods not native to the Allroad are:

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Stage 3 parts

6spd 01e transmission rebuilt synchros
6spd driveshaft
6spd differential
6speed axles
150,531 new motor 173,863 body
2.7 w/ k04s from s4
Ev14 550 injectors
OEM Rs4 k04 turbos
OEM Rs4 maf and housing
OEM Rs4 side mount intercoolers
Upgraded diverted valves
Samco silicon hose kit
Fuel pressure gauge
Boost gauge
Manual boost controller
New southbend stage 2 endurance clutch
new rs4 pressure plate
resurfaced dual mass flywheel
New flywheel to crank and flywheel to clutch bolts
New OEM tranny mount
New upper end seal kit including valve covers and cam seals.
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The motor and tranny were taken from the S4 and transplanted into the Allroad. All else, other than above, is the Allroad, such as key, ECU, instrument cluster, etc. Here is the scan:

Code:

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VIN: WAUYP64B31N104139   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 4B (4B - Audi A6/S6/RS6/allroad C5 (1998 > 2005))
Scan: 01 02 03 06 08 15 16 17 18 22 34 35 36 37 45 55 56 57 65 67
          75 76 77
 
VIN: WAUYP64B31N104139   
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.lbl
   Part No: 4Z7 907 551 K
   Component: 2.7l V6/5VT     G   0001  
   Coding: 06752
   Shop #: WSC 02313  
   VCID: 4BC36169FAD0EEC3F60-5118
   WAUYP64B31N104139     AUZ7Z0Y1726283

12 Faults Found:
17833 - EVAP Purge Valve (N80) 
            P1425 - 35-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17880 - EVAP Leak Detection Pump 
            P1472 - 35-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17843 - Secondary Air Pump Relay (J299) 
            P1435 - 35-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17938 - Camshaft Timing Adjustment 
            P1530 - 35-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17829 - Secondary Air Injection Solenoid Valve (N112) 
            P1421 - 35-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17955 - Boost Pressure Regulation Valve (N75) 
            P1547 - 35-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17697 - Boost Pressure Control Valve (N249) 
            P1289 - 35-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17529 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor Heating Circuit: B2 S2 
            P1121 - 35-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17525 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor Heating Circuit: B1 S2 
            P1117 - 35-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
17800 - Camshaft Position Sensor Bank 2 (G163) 
            P1392 - 35-10 - Open Short to Plus - Intermittent
18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30 
            P1602 - 35-10 - Voltage too Low - Intermittent
18034 - Powertrain Data Bus 
            P1626 - 35-00 - Missing Message from TCU
Readiness: 0110 1101

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8D0-907-389.lbl
   Part No: 4Z7 907 389 
   Component: ABS/ESP allrad      D47  
   Coding: 06397
   Shop #: WSC 02325  
   VCID: 094F9B61B02CBCD304C-513C

2 Faults Found:
00283 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Left  (G47) 
            30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
18034 - Powertrain Data Bus 
            P1626 - 35-00 - Missing Message from TCU

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Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass        Labels: None
   Part No: 4B0 959 760 C
   Component: Sitzmemory R1 BF    0102  
   Coding: 00003
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 2D070FF16404C0F3C84-4AE0

2 Faults Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            06-10 - Signal too High - Intermittent

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 4B0-820-043-MY1.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 820 043 AH
   Component: A6-Klimavollautomat D65  
   Coding: 00160
   Shop #: WSC 02313  
   VCID: 6099A6C563565D9B332-2586

3 Faults Found:
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17) 
            30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71) 
            41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
00792 - A/C Pressure Switch (F129) 
            31-00 - Open or Short to Ground

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 4B0-959-655-AI8.lbl
   Part No: 4Z7 959 655 C
   Component: Airbag Front+Kopf  1002  
   Coding: 00307
   Shop #: WSC 02325  
   VCID: 4FFB75790EC8D2E39A8-5160

2 Faults Found:
01212 - Belt Tensioner Igniter; Rear Passenger Side (N197) 
            36-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 4B0-907-487.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 907 487 L
   Component: Lenkradelektronik    D03  
   Coding: 00112
   Shop #: WSC 65535  
   VCID: 353727918C548833B04-4FB8

1 Fault Found:
01426 - Controls in Steering Wheel (E221) 
            49-00 - No Communications

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 4B0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 4Z7 920 980 B
   Component: C5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D13   
   Coding: 02264
   Shop #: WSC 40107  
   VCID: 43D34949D28026830E0-5118
   WAUYP64B31N104139     AUZ7Z0Y1726283

9 Faults Found:
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17) 
            30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G) 
            30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
01176 - Key 
            65-10 - Unauthorized - Intermittent
01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 
            37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01315 - Transmission Control Module 
            49-00 - No Communications
01310 - Level Control System Control Module (J197) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
00562 - Sensor for Oil Level/Temperature (G266) 
            30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00562 - Sensor for Oil Level/Temperature (G266) 
            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent

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Address 34: Level Control        Labels: 4Z7-907-553.lbl
   Part No: 4Z7 907 553 B
   Component:  - 2C1A1          X031    
   Coding: 25500
   Shop #: WSC 09999  
   VCID: 44D14A55D78E21BB37A-50F4

4 Faults Found:
01400 - Suspension Level Control 
            53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01397 - Venting Solenoid for Level Control (N111) 
            31-00 - Open or Short to Ground
01437 - Control Position not Learned 
            35-00 - -
01316 - ABS Control Module 
            79-10 - Please Check Fault Codes - Intermittent

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Address 35: Centr. Locks        Labels:. 4B0-962-258.clb
   Part No: 4B0 962 258 J
   Component: Central Lock/Alarm  D34  
   Coding: 15208
   Shop #: WSC 02313  
   VCID: 303916857336AD1BE32-4EC8

20 Faults Found:
01366 - Opened Due to Crash Signal 
            35-00 - -
01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side 
            35-00 - -
01572 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Passenger Side 
            35-00 - -
01374 - Alarm triggered by Terminal 15 
            35-00 - -
01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring 
            35-00 - -
01369 - Alarm triggered by Hood Switch 
            35-00 - -
01558 - Contact Switch in Locking Cyl; Driver Side; Close (F241) 
            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
01389 - Tailgate Open Switch (F124) 
            29-00 - Short to Ground
01563 - Interior Lock Switch; Driver Side (E150); Lock 
            29-00 - Short to Ground
01564 - Interior Lock Switch; Driver Side (E151); Unlock 
            29-00 - Short to Ground
00947 - Trunk Lid remote Control Switch (E188) 
            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
01565 - Luggage Compartment Light (W3) 
            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
00956 - Key 2 
            09-10 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed - Intermittent
01570 - Turn-Off Delay; Terminal 15 
            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
01560 - Passenger Door 
            59-10 - Can't Unlock - Intermittent
01561 - Rear left door 
            59-10 - Can't Unlock - Intermittent
01574 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Rear Right 
            35-00 - -
01573 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Rear Left 
            35-00 - -
00951 - Tailgate Central Locking Motor Relay (J398) 
            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: None
   Part No: 4B0 959 760 B
   Component: Sitzmemory R1 F     0101  
   Coding: 00001
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 2C0102F55F1EC9FBDFA-4AE0

2 Faults Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            06-10 - Signal too High - Intermittent

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Address 37: Navigation        Labels: 4B0-919-887-BNS3.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 919 887 B
   Component: Navigation     BNO 0001  
   VCID: 323D1C8D7D3A9F0B956-4AC2

1 Fault Found:
65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error 
            00-00 - -

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 4B0-951-178.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 951 178 A
   Component: Innenraumueberw.    D04  
   Coding: 00102
   Shop #: WSC 02313  
   VCID: 2615F0DD41F2F3AB09E-508A

2 Faults Found:
01349 - Alarm via Theft Warning System; Front 
            35-00 - -
01462 - Anti-theft alarm ultra sonic Sensor (G209) 
            53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4Z7-907-357.lbl
   Part No: 4Z7 907 357 
   Component: dynamische LWR       D05  
   Coding: 00030
   Shop #: WSC 02313  
   VCID: 04518A55970EE1BB77A-4AE0

1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8D0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 035 195 A
   Component:  Radio              D00  
   Coding: 00115
   Shop #: WSC 08316  
   VCID: 1E65D83D19A22B6B41E-4AC2

1 Fault Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 8Z0-919-283.lbl
   Part No: 8Z0 919 283 
   Component: Parkingsyst. A6 RDW D05  
   Coding: 01186
   Shop #: WSC 02313  
   VCID: 025D8C4D8D1AEF8B456-5118

1 Fault Found:
01543 - Parking Aid Warning Chime (H15) 
            31-00 - Open or Short to Ground

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I have tried the Immobilizer III ECU swapping procedure to no avail. Any help is greatly appreciated.

NZDubNurd · May 20, 2020

Doesn't crank, or doesn't start?

Doesn't crank: The engine ECU is still looking for a TCU, has the wiring and/or coding been altered to allow cranking without the trans reporting it's in Park?

Doesn't start: Is the wiring between the Allroad and S4 engines the same? Have you done basic checks for fuel and spark?

apbreaux · May 20, 2020

NZDubNurd said:
Doesn't crank, or doesn't start?

Doesn't crank: The engine ECU is still looking for a TCU, has the wiring and/or coding been altered to allow cranking without the trans reporting it's in Park?

Doesn't start: Is the wiring between the Allroad and S4 engines the same? Have you done basic checks for fuel and spark?

Doesn't crank. How do alter the coding for the missing TCU?

Uwe · May 20, 2020

In principle, changing the ECU's coding from 06752 to 06762 should tell it it's connected to a manual transmission, but it's entirely possible it won't accept that because the an MT ECU uses requires different software than an AT ECU.

I also doubt that this will clear up a non-cranking problem. I don't think the ECU itself has control of that in this car.

-Uwe-

apbreaux · May 20, 2020

Would it help, or make life simpler, of i got an ecu from a manual car and reprogrammed it to this key and instrument cluster?

apbreaux · May 20, 2020

Uwe said:
In principle, changing the ECU's coding from 06752 to 06762 should tell it it's connected to a manual transmission, but it's entirely possible it won't accept that because the an MT ECU uses requires different software than an AT ECU.

I also doubt that this will clear up a non-cranking problem. I don't think the ECU itself has control of that in this car.

-Uwe-

Is this reprogramming something I can do through VAGCOM?

Uwe · May 20, 2020

apbreaux said:
Is this reprogramming something I can do through VAGCOM?

You can certainly try the coding change, but I don't have high hopes for it.

-Uwe-

apbreaux · May 20, 2020

Uwe said:
In principle, changing the ECU's coding from 06752 to 06762 should tell it it's connected to a manual transmission, but it's entirely possible it won't accept that because the an MT ECU uses requires different software than an AT ECU.

I also doubt that this will clear up a non-cranking problem. I don't think the ECU itself has control of that in this car.

-Uwe-

Uwe said:
You can certainly try the coding change, but I don't have high hopes for it.

-Uwe-

Gotta start somewhere. Able to point me in right direction of how to do this coding? Much appreciated.

NZDubNurd · May 20, 2020

On my Touran, I had to code the BCM to manual, and change the wire from the TCU to permanent ground, as per the manual cars wiring diagram.

There is probably something similar in yours, but it may be done via a mechanical switch, or the TCU/BCM - I'm not familiar with your car.

And as Uwe suggests, you may need to physically change the engine ECU to a manual version - my R32 DSG-type engine ECU would not accept a coding change, so required the correct ECU. In my case, this also corrected the ABS TCU error message - again, yours may be different. To try the coding, you have to enter the engine ECU screen, select coding and change it to the number Uwe suggested above. It will possibly/probably say rejected.

Jetta 97 · May 21, 2020

NZDubNurd said:
On my Touran, I had to code the BCM to manual, and change the wire from the TCU to permanent ground, as per the manual cars wiring diagram.

There is probably something similar in yours, but it may be done via a mechanical switch, or the TCU/BCM - I'm not familiar with your car.

And as Uwe suggests, you may need to physically change the engine ECU to a manual version - my R32 DSG-type engine ECU would not accept a coding change, so required the correct ECU. In my case, this also corrected the ABS TCU error message - again, yours may be different. To try the coding, you have to enter the engine ECU screen, select coding and change it to the number Uwe suggested above. It will possibly/probably say rejected.

His car do not have BCM , it is 2001 way older then your Touran.

Jetta 97 · May 21, 2020

apbreaux said:
Gotta start somewhere. Able to point me in right direction of how to do this coding? Much appreciated.

Go to 01-Engone
07-Coding and you will get screen like this , just put numbers that UWE suggested :

But even with Auto transmission coding you should be bale to Crank, so you missing something in your wiring , like Clutch pedal signal and something similar.

apbreaux · May 21, 2020

Thanks, good to know. How do I find a wiring diagram of my TCU?

apbreaux · May 21, 2020

Also, is the BCM the same as the CCM? I have a black box in driver's footwell: 4BO962258J.

Uwe · May 21, 2020

apbreaux said:
Also, is the BCM the same as the CCM? I have a black box in driver's footwell: 4BO962258J.

You don't have a BCM or a CCM. You have a CLM (Central Locking Module). You can see the above module part number in your scan at address 35-Cent. Locks.

-Uwe-

apbreaux · May 21, 2020

Uwe said:
You don't have a BCM or a CCM. You have a CLM (Central Locking Module). You can see the above module part number in your scan at address 35-Cent. Locks.

-Uwe-

Good to know. Is this something that would need to be programmed for a manual? Or a CLM from a manual put into my car?

Uwe · May 21, 2020

apbreaux said:
Good to know. Is this something that would need to be programmed for a manual? Or a CLM from a manual put into my car?

No, I don't think it cares about the type of transmission the car has.

-Uwe-

apbreaux · May 23, 2020

NZDubNurd said:
On my Touran, I had to code the BCM to manual, and change the wire from the TCU to permanent ground, as per the manual cars wiring diagram.

There is probably something similar in yours, but it may be done via a mechanical switch, or the TCU/BCM - I'm not familiar with your car.

And as Uwe suggests, you may need to physically change the engine ECU to a manual version - my R32 DSG-type engine ECU would not accept a coding change, so required the correct ECU. In my case, this also corrected the ABS TCU error message - again, yours may be different. To try the coding, you have to enter the engine ECU screen, select coding and change it to the number Uwe suggested above. It will possibly/probably say rejected.

Thanks all you guys for the info. It's looking like there's not just a single way to do this. This thread was also brought to my attention: https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/620047-allroad-tip-to-6-speed-01e-swap-documentation. I think with all this I'll at least have a good basis to start with.

I've also ordered an IMMO deleted Mbox ECU. And I have purchased a used, matching ECU to my car out of a manual at a local junkyard, along with the instrument cluster from that car.

First thing I'm gonna do clean her up and change all the fluids, as it's been sitting for a couple years, making her ready for an initial engine start. Not sure if I'll wait for the Mbox or try reprogramming the in situ ECU. We'll see.

Jetta 97 · May 23, 2020

apbreaux said:
Thanks all you guys for the info. It's looking like there's not just a single way to do this. This thread was also brought to my attention: https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/620047-allroad-tip-to-6-speed-01e-swap-documentation. I think with all this I'll at least have a good basis to start with.

I've also ordered an IMMO deleted Mbox ECU. And I have purchased a used, matching ECU to my car out of a manual at a local junkyard, along with the instrument cluster from that car.

First thing I'm gonna do clean her up and change all the fluids, as it's been sitting for a couple years, making her ready for an initial engine start. Not sure if I'll wait for the Mbox or try reprogramming the in situ ECU. We'll see.

Immo delete will help you to start car and run, But when you install that other instrument cluster you will have Immo light flashing all the time and Message in LCD Immob Active . Only way to fix this is to program it to car .

If you decide to do programing I can do this , Just send me PM or email.

apbreaux · May 25, 2020

Jetta said:
Immo delete will help you to start car and run, But when you install that other instrument cluster you will have Immo light flashing all the time and Message in LCD Immob Active . Only way to fix this is to program it to car .

If you decide to do programing I can do this , Just send me PM or email.

Thanks. I'll let you know how things go.

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