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    Hi Petroldave,
    Is it realistic to compare a country with a population of 25 people per sq km, with England 429 per sq km, the US 34 per sq km, or perhaps more pertinent to this discussion Pennsylvania 283 per sq mile!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HMC View Post
    Is it realistic to compare a country with a population of 25 people per sq km, with England 429 per sq km, the US 34 per sq km, or perhaps more pertinent to this discussion Pennsylvania 283 per sq mile!
    Yes, because Sweden has cities that are just as densely populated as the cities in any other country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolDave View Post
    If Sweden manages to limit/control the death rate due to Covid-19 without imposing a lockdown then the whole philosophy behind needing a lockdown will be shown to be unnecessarily damaging to economies IMHO.
    Or, it will be shown that small and highly ordered societies where citizens mostly understand and follow their responsibilities in this situation, and mostly relieved of external sources of (re)infection, are able to handle it more successfully than larger and more densely populated countries with more travel, who have a large population of deadweight that marches in crowds shouting about how responsible they totally WOULD be, if only they hadn't been told they MUST be responsible.

    Stockholm authorities shut down five pubs and restaurants that failed to observe the recommendations this weekend, only allowing customers time to finish their food before obliging them to leave.

    “This was a strong signal,” Linde said. “These are not voluntary measures. You are meant to follow them. We believe the best way for us is a combination of some binding regulations and clear advice to the public. As far as possible, we want to build on a strong, longstanding relationship of trust between authorities and the public.”

    There is plenty of evidence that most people are falling in line, she said, citing a 96% fall in reservations at the country’s two most popular domestic holiday destinations after the government repeated its advice to stay at home over the Easter break. The country’s rate of infection is also showing signs of levelling off and the Public Health Agency estimates up to 20% of its population has contracted the virus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyoung8607 View Post
    Or, it will be shown that small and highly ordered societies where citizens mostly understand and follow their responsibilities in this situation, and mostly relieved of external sources of (re)infection, are able to handle it more successfully than larger and more densely populated countries with more travel, who have a large population of deadweight that marches in crowds shouting about how responsible they totally WOULD be, if only they hadn't been told they MUST be responsible.
    As Uwe points out the population density in Sweden's cities is similar to those in other countries, plus a large number of Stockholm residents have country dachas which they travel to at every opportunity.

    Fair point though that discipline is generally better in Sweden (most Nordic countries) than in some parts of the Western world - where an "I'm alright Jack" attitude seems almost to be encouraged by some leaders (political and business).

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    Family members in medical industry, have a similar distrust of CDC!

    Even Tom figured out just because it's written, doesn't make it so!

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    My friend JR lost his mom in CA this last week due too COVID and it was locked down hard where she was, so it's flat out pervasive and nasty on the old timers!

    It's spreading through the homes like Locusts.........




    Your perspective will change when it is on your door step or affects loved ones.

    I think healthcare people deserve one hell of an award for going into that trench everyday, specifically ICU and ER!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    My friend JR lost his mom in CA this last week due too COVID and it was locked down hard where she was, so it's flat out pervasive and nasty on the old timers!

    It's spreading through the homes like Locusts.........
    Was she in a nursing home or other long-term care facility?

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    Was she in a nursing home or other long-term care facility?

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    Indeed she was.........
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    Seven great examples of why voluntary measures alone wouldn't have worked. The grocery-shopping one gives me a little pause, as does the Maryland restaurant one, but both of those are situations where there's definitely a few details the the poor aggrieved victim left out. Police officers are doing social distancing just like everyone else. If they're hauling you in, you really needed hauling in.
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