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    Question DSG 7 speed DQ200 - Shift time measurment

    My DSG seems slow to shift, it's as if both clutches are open for too long when changing up - I can hear the revs rise momentarily and the rev counter nudges up slightly.
    Is it possible to measure the time between clutch operations?
    Or maybe I could plot the engine RPM to show the spikes during shift, and therefore a) prove if there is an issue, b) get at least an idea of the shift delay.

    Any pointers to get me started much appreciated :-) Thanks.

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    Welcome to the forum.

    You must have read posts on here? If you have a problem/query you post a full AutoScan in between CODE tags [CODE] Full AutoScan [/CODE]
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    2010 Golf GTD (170) CBBB, 5 Door, Shadow Blue (P6/D5Q), Flat Tyre Indicator, Basic Protection Pack + VCDS.

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    Yep, and Auto Scan would be handy here, since it would help identify the data that your transmission has available to be logged, and to see if maybe there's a clutch adaptation possible.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Ok, thanks - hopefully this is what's needed...
    To add to the info - I already successfully completed the basic settings of the DSG including the driving sequence to complete the calibrations, but that didn't improve matters
    The car is under warranty but the dealer doesn't agree that there is an issue seemingly based upon the lack of a fault code - they say that they have no justification to spend time on the vehicle.
    I'm not saying they are wrong, but if I could show them some data, and better still collect a comparison from another car, that will hopefully convince them, or me, as the case may be.
    Thanks again.

    Code:
     
    Chassis Type: 1T (7N0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 18 19 25 2E 42 44 46 52 56 61 62
              69 72 77
    
    VIN: WVGZZZ1TZDW052692   Mileage: 57210km-35548miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    18-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (J623-CAYC)       Labels: 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
       Part No SW: 03L 906 023 PJ    HW: 03L 907 425 C
       Component: 1,6l R4 CR td H43 1842  
       Revision: --H43---    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 00254014032500080000
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023PJ 003004
       ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023NB_VW36.rod
       VCID: 7DDF13A8EC54ACC904D-8028
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 0AM-927-769.lbl
       Part No SW: 0AM 300 058 S    HW: 0AM 927 769 D
       Component: GSG DSG AG7     431 5270  
       Revision: 00043014    Serial number: CU501210296255
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 62324 000 1048576
       VCID: 41A7AF58182C0829205-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BL    HW: 1K0 907 379 BL
       Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0152  
       Revision: 00H31001    
       Coding: 333B4016092706FCCC1102ED901B6081310150
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 7DDF13A8E454ACC904D-8028
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 3C8-907-336.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 426 BG    HW: 7N0 907 426 BG
       Component: AC Manuell    H20 0505  
       Revision: 00001018    
       Coding: 0010004002
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManueBHBVW36X A01010
       ROD: EV_ACManueBHBVW36X_SE36.rod
       VCID: 7AD518B4FD7A9BF121F-802F
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 937 084 H    HW: 5K0 937 084 H
       Component: BCM PQ35 B    021 0068  
       Revision: BA021001    
       Coding: 48180A38E025F1E0408800C0140000644B518E08526DA160648042000040
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 3753C18086E846999E1-8062
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T2 955 119 A
       Component: Wischer 05101  26  0512 
       Coding: 009795
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
       Component: RLS 271012 05  54  0403 
       Coding: 0630ED
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 7N0 951 171 A
       Component: DWA-Sensor 00  002 0206 
       Coding: 000000
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 
       Coding: 000000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 10: Park/Steer Assist
    Cannot be reached
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1T0-909-605.lbl
       Part No SW: 1T0 909 605 E    HW: 1T0 909 605 E
       Component: 02 AIRBAG VW8   022 0100  
       Revision: 02022000    Serial number: 003K4D082JN6  
       Coding: 0012338
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 3753C18046E846999E1-8062
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332QSME09255764D
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342QSME0925284CI
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME05234B56D
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME23255762A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5K0-953-569.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 953 507 AH    HW: 5K0 953 549 B
       Component: Lenks.Modul   008 0080  
       Revision: --------    Serial number:  90440LJD000YC
       Coding: 1882140000
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGKUDS A05001
       ROD: EV_SMLSNGKUDS_SE36.rod
       VCID: 76CD0C84C962FF91457-8023
    
       Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542 C    HW: 5K0 959 542 C  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
       Component: E221__MFL-TAS  H31 0033 
       Serial number: 0326564             
       Coding: 820000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 1T0 920 975 C    HW: 1T0 920 975 C
       Component: KOMBI         H05 0705  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 181B00
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04716
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_SE25.rod
       VCID: 3851C2BC83F649E197B-806D
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: 1K0-815-071.clb
       Part No: 7N0 963 271 E
       Component: Zuheizer        051 2940  
       Revision: 00051000    Serial number: 09024297000000
       Coding: 0000011
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 364DCC8441E2BF91857-8063
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AG    HW: 7N0 907 530 AG
       Component: J533  Gateway H53 1634  
       Revision:   H53       Serial number: 271012F6000283
       Coding: 358003
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 75CF0B88DC64F4894CD-8020
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer
    Cannot be reached
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels: 5N0-035-342.lbl
       Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 F    HW: 5N0 035 342 F
       Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H18 0546  
       Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7663744586    
       Coding: 010100
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 2A75E8F4455AEB7111F-807F
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 T    HW: 1T0 959 701 T
       Component: Tuer-SG         009 2122  
       Coding: 0000693
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 48B1B27C3B163961E7B-801D
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
       Part No: 1K0 909 144 P
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 70     3305  
       Revision: 00H22000    
       Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
       VCID: 3753C18046E846999E1-8062
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 R    HW: 1T0 959 702 R
       Component: Tuer-SG         009 2122  
       Coding: 0000693
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 47B3B14036083619EE1-8012
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 035 186 AQ    HW: 1K0 035 186 AQ
       Component: Radio RCD310  004 0119  
       Revision: 01000001    Serial number: VWZ1Z2M9675630
       Coding: 01000400040009
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 75CF0B88DC64F4894CD-8020
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels: 1K0-907-534.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 534     HW: 7N0 907 530 AG
       Component: Batt.regelung H53 1634  
       Serial number: 271012F6000283
       Coding: 01040859
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 71C73F98A80CD8A9905-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 5K0 959 703 A    HW: 5K0 959 703 A
       Component: Tuer-SG         007 2104  
       Coding: 0000144
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 1012552
       VCID: 3245F094AD8AA3B1A9F-8067
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels: 1K0-907-383-MY8.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 F    HW: 1K0 907 383 F
       Component: Anhaenger     H09 0100  
       Revision: 3A001001    Serial number: 00008030512272
       Coding: 0100000100000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 3041FA9C638691A1DFB-8065
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 5K0 959 704 A    HW: 5K0 959 704 A
       Component: Tuer-SG         007 2104  
       Coding: 0000144
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 1012552
       VCID: 334BF5905290AAB9A29-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels: 7P6-035-730.clb
       Part No SW: 7P6 035 730 J    HW: 7P6 035 730 J
       Component: TELEFON       H15 3200  
       Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007663705544
       Coding: 0A11000000010101
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA 002720
       ROD: EV_UHVNA.rod
       VCID: 3957C7B8B8FC50E9685-806C
    
    No fault code found.

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    OK, that's a straightforward (non-UDS!) transmission still. Have a look at MVB 005 and 006 for all the speeds. It should be straightforward to log these as you drive. There's also detailed data bout the clutches, for clutch 1 its in MVB 090-099 and for clutch 2, it's in 110-119.

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Thanks for the pointers - I'm away for a week or so now, but I'll look at this as soon as I can and report back...

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