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    7spd dsg into B8 A4

    I'm attempting to install Audi S4 dsg gear box into a B8 A4. I purchased a HEX-V2 several months back to see if it the
    A4 showed a coding option for a dsg unit and it did. I repinned the TCM connector for the dsg gearbox (the connector is a completely different style and an additional wire needed to be routed to the ECM). Installed the transmission and plugged it in. Attempted to change the ECM coding from the convetional automatic unit to the dsg option but when I attempt to load it I receive a "coding rejected error 31:request out of range" message. Oddly the ECM isn't setting any dtcs related to an issue with the TCM even though the coding has not been changed but I do have faults for TCM incorrect software versions. I was wonder if anyone can send me in a direction... lol

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    Chassis Type: FL-AU48 (8T0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 2E 42 46 47 52 53 56 62 72 77
             
    
    VIN: WAUBFAFL6AN015134   Mileage: 294770km-183161miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (DL0MA-CAEB)       Labels:| 06H-907-115-CAB.clb
       Part No SW: 8K2 907 115 AL    HW: 8K2 907 115 D
       Component: 2.0l R4/4V TF H15 0001  
       Revision: E1H15---    
       Coding: 0104010A190F0160
       Shop #: WSC 03129 444 105140
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AL 001001
       ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AL.rod
       VCID: 79AFEDD4195F5A5314C-802C
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 1110 0101
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0B5-927-156.clb
       Part No SW: 8K5 927 156 D    HW: 0B5 927 156 K
       Component: 0B5 30TFSINAR H01 0002  
       Revision: --H01---    
       Coding: 000001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDL501021 001015
       ROD: EV_TCMDL501021.rod
       VCID: 3A2D32D85CD9914B5D6-806E
    
    2 Faults Found:
    8445 - Transmission Control Module 
              P0614 00 [167] - Incorrect Software Version
              MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 40
                        Mileage: 294775 km
                        Date: 2020.04.22
                        Time: 20:07:11
    
                        Engine speed: 0 /min
                        Transmission input speed: 0 /min
                        Transmission output speed: 0 /min
                        Engine torque: -44 Nm
                        Transmission fluid temperature: 27 °C
                        Accelerator position: 0.0 %
                        Clutch status: Beide Kupplungen offen
                        Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                        Voltage terminal 30: 12.400 V
                        Voltage_5V_CAN_pressuresensors-Param to DOP: 4.916 V
    
    8446 - Transmission Control Module 
              P0614 00 [167] - Incorrect Software Version
              MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 40
                        Mileage: 294775 km
                        Date: 2020.04.22
                        Time: 20:07:11
    
                        Engine speed: 0 /min
                        Transmission input speed: 0 /min
                        Transmission output speed: 0 /min
                        Engine torque: -44 Nm
                        Transmission fluid temperature: 27 °C
                        Accelerator position: 0.0 %
                        Clutch status: Beide Kupplungen offen
                        Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                        Voltage terminal 30: 12.400 V
                        Voltage_5V_CAN_pressuresensors-Param to DOP: 4.916 V
    
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8K0-907-379-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 CA    HW: 8K0 907 379 CA
       Component: ESP8 quattro  H04 0010  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 150D10
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 7AADF2D81CD9514B1D6-802E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 DF    HW: 8K0 907 064 DF
       Component: BCM2 1.1      H02 0321  
       Revision: 00002001    
       Coding: 090100
       Shop #: WSC 02399 823 56573
       VCID: 77ABEBEC2FCB4C23628-8022
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 A    HW: 8T0 959 754 A
       Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H37 0060 
       Serial number: 0509000039647009    
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
       Component: J764 ELV MLB  H37 0042 
       Serial number: 0209000053026002    
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 8T1 820 043 AN    HW: 8T1 820 043 AN
       Component: KLIMA 1 ZONE  H08 0171  
       Revision: A1000000    Serial number: 01210720091842
       Coding: 64002000
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 7DA7F9C40DF76673384-8028
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 P    HW: 8K0 907 063 P
       Component: BCM1 1.0      H25 0380  
       Revision: 10025001    Serial number: 00000000432250
       Coding: 690000B1063C00010000080300007F5F0F14520800000021000000
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 3C2134C0566DAF7B4FA-8068
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K1 955 119 A    HW: 8T1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: WWS 200709  H06 0070 
       Serial number: SWF09070205534      
       Coding: 00FD11
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AK    HW: 8K0 941 531 AK
       Component: E1 - LDS  H08 0090 
       Serial number: 00000000001507091803
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02258 - Door Opener Transmitter 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 110
                        Mileage: 294775 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2020.04.22
                        Time: 20:07:00
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 8K0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 H    HW: 8K0 959 655 H
       Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H37 0520  
       Serial number: 003EGD02ABN6  
       Coding: 303836354230303030304A55304C384B3053
       Shop #: WSC 02135 785 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003010
       ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_003_AU48.rod
       VCID: 42DD4A383409D98B056-8016
    
       Seat occupied recognition: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 339 B    HW: 8K0 959 339 B
       Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H01 0030 
       Serial number: 5810000R0900004HT5
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 6334MSME4946260CG
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6344MSME4946060BE
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Serial number: 6352QSME26332B1AF
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6362QSME69343412A
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 63732SME370D140A.
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 63832SME670C261A1
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 F    HW: 8K0 953 568 F
       Component: Lenks.Modul   H16 0014  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 90304IGN0007T 
       Coding: 000034
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 3D2739C44D77A673784-8068
    
       Component: E221 - MFL  H02 0010 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 920 950 E    HW: 8K0 920 950 E
       Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H19 0253  
       Revision: 00100000    Serial number: BWX24KE79     
       Coding: 8B1709000300D705020001
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 313F15F4812F5213ECC-8064
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 R    HW: 8T0 907 468 H
       Component: GW-BEM 5CAN   H06 0105  
       Revision: GB600050    Serial number: 5000G09716849D
       Coding: 00C303
       Shop #: WSC 08185 444 92442
       VCID: 50F97070EAE53B1B832-8004
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 E    HW: 8K0 915 181 E
       Component: J367-BDM  H06 0160 
       Serial number: 19087011060709      
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 2E: Media Player 3 (R199)       Labels:. 8T0-035-785.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 035 785 A    HW: 8T0 035 785 
       Component: SG ext.Player H08 0280  
       Revision: 00000000    
       Coding: 020302
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 392F2DD4595F9A5354C-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 H    HW: 8K0 959 793 D
       Component: TSG FA        H11 0306  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000009130395 
       Coding: 011C03204000410001
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 45D7512425A7EEB3204-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 DF    HW: 8K0 907 064 DF
       Component: BCM2 1.1      H02 0321  
       Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0120029048    
       Coding: 0106023A007A400400B0010000000000
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 77ABEBEC2FCB4C23628-8022
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719     HW: 8K0 959 719 
       Component: GTO BF  H06 0050 
       Serial number: 00000000000000155540
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H03 1301 
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591 A    HW: 8K0 959 591 
       Component: J245 PS037  H06 0041 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-ASC.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 035 223 AH    HW: 8T0 035 223 
       Component: DSP STD       H07 0230  
       Revision: S2200000    
       Coding: 0203010102
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 74B1DCE03EBD273B47A-8020
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 H    HW: 8K0 959 792 D
       Component: TSG BF        H11 0306  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000009109221 
       Coding: 011C03204000410001
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 44D14C202E9DD7BB37A-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 H    HW: 8K0 907 801 H
       Component: EPB Audi B8   H09 0090  
       Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 10000000287277
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 34311CE07E3D673B87A-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 8Tx-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 8T1 035 186 R    HW: 8T1 035 186 R
       Component: Con3 Sirius   H03 0351  
       Revision: 00000005    Serial number: AUZ5Z6I1249835
       Coding: 04020002010185004119070800
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 46D5562818A1E5AB29E-8012
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 E    HW: 8T0 919 603 E
       Component: Display  
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
                000 - -
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 110
                        Mileage: 294775 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2020.04.22
                        Time: 20:07:16
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 C    HW: 8K0 959 795 C
       Component: TSG HL        H10 0306  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000101552850 
       Coding: 010C03204000210001
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 42DD4A383489D98B056-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 C    HW: 8K0 959 795 C
       Component: TSG HR        H10 0306  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000101552847 
       Coding: 010C03204000210001
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 42DD4A383489D98B056-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
       Part No SW: 8T0 862 336 D    HW: 8T0 862 336 D
       Component: FSE_256x BT     H37 0600  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005041298
       Coding: 0010370
       Shop #: WSC 08185 444 92442
       VCID: 3C2134C05A6DAF7B4FA-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:34, VBatt start/end: 12.3V/12.3V)-----------

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    Just because an ECU has coding bits defined for certain options like transmission type does not mean that the software in that ECU supports the all those options. We see this with considerable regularity when people try to replace failed auto boxes with manual. There are quite a few ECUs that have transmission-specific software versions in them, and the only solution is to flash them with software that supports a manual. Of course that gets quite difficult when someone is doing an MT conversion for an engine that was never sold with an MT and there is no MT software for that ECU.

    I suspect you might be in a similar situation here, except you're trying to fit a DSG rather than an MT. Moreover, the DSG itself quite clearly expects a 3.0 supercharged V6 and will probably never be entirely happy with a turbocharged 4-banger.

    I think your best bet is to talk to a tuner who knows these engines and DSGs to see if he can come up with ECU and TCU software that will work properly together. Please note that even if he does, the combo you're putting together was never certified by the EPA and is thus technically not legal to operate upon the public roads in the USA.

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    Understood. Thank you for the input. Can you think of anyone you could possible point me towards in regards to doing software like that? Thanks

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    As a side note, the act of replacing the ZF 6HP28 slushbox with the DL501 DSG made me chuckle a bit. You see, on this side of the pond, the DL501 DSG is prevalent in larger Audis and has a reputation for not being very smooth, wearing clutch packs and failing mechatronics. Meanwhile, the ZF slushbox (8HP55A) that comes with the the higher powered (230+ kW) models is revered as the king of reliability and smoothness.

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    I REALLY hated the way the 6HP28 felt. I briefly had a Jetta with the front wheel drive dsg and didn’t mind the occasional buck or kick just because pretty much every vehicle I’ve had up to these past two have been a manual transmission. I was able to pick up one of the later dsg units because they seemed to suffer less then the earlier gen units. I like the idea around how the dsg works vs a conventional automatic unit. 🤷*♂️ I was hopeful it wasn’t going to be as complicated as it’s becoming. Lol

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