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    2010 Polo ABS Off-Line

    Hi All,

    My first post on this forum. My nieces VW Polo 6R 1.2s has an issue. The red ABS light, amber steering wheel light and red exclamation symbols are lit up in the instrument cluster. Also, the speedometer does not move always at zero. The rev counter is okay and the car drives and brakes perfectly fine. I have changed the ABS module but still have the following errors after running VCDS.

    I have (in chronological order):

    (a) Firstly cleaned the fuse plate on top of the battery of any oxidation and checked all fuses
    (b) Replaced the fuse plate on top of the battery
    (c) Cleaned all the earth points (Battery negative, and the two earth points with brown wires below the airbox)
    (d) Changed the battery for a new Varta E44 Silver Dynamic 77ah
    (e) Checked for oxidation on the ABS wiring loom connector to the ABS module/controller
    (f) Checked for oxidation on the two connectors to the ECU
    (g) Checked the connector at the back of the instrument cluster
    (h) Changed the ABS control module for a second-hand part

    The first time that I experienced a problem with this car, the speedometer was working intermittently and the ABS and above warning lights were lit intermittently too. However, they are always on now when the car is used and the speedometer does not work at all.

    Can anyone help with providing any further advice please? I cannot seem to find a wiring diagram as I would like to check the power feed into the ABS module - any hints on how to fault find the wiring would be greatly appreciated!

    Code:
    Sunday,05,April,2020,16:37:23:01140
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 20.4.0.1 (x64)
    Data version: 20200331 DS317.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ6RZAU042526   License Plate: FV10ZVH
    Mileage: 137230km-85270mi   Repair Order: 20200405a
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 6R-VW25 (6N0)
    Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 44 56
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ6RZAU042526   Mileage: 137230km-85270miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
     
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    Address 01: Engine (CGP)       Labels: 03E-906-033-AZQ.lbl
       Part No SW: 03E 906 023 L    HW: 03E 906 023 L
       Component: SIMOS91 1.2l 4V     4489  
       Revision: --H04---    Serial number:               
       Coding: 0000071
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
       VCID: 285FF51798F76FC66A-5140
    
    1 Fault Found:
    18057 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                P1649 - 009 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
    Readiness: 0010 0000
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes
    Cannot be reached
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 6R0-820-045-9AP.clb
       Part No SW: 6R0 820 045 H    HW: 6R0 820 045 H
       Component: Climatic       24 0660  
       Revision: 00 10 24    
       VCID: 3365127B92311C1ECF-8066
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01316 - ABS Control Module 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 187
                        Mileage: 137231 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2014.08.12
                        Time: 23:10:38
    
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
       Part No SW: 6R0 937 085 B    HW: 6R0 937 085 B
       Component: BCM PQ25 M+   H46 0207  
       Revision: BB046001    Serial number: 0143 047100238
       Coding: 64B02BBF08A10048002000003D2B0C900040410F60060000200000000000
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
       VCID: 3A7B3F5FB55BED560C-806E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 R    HW: 6R0 959 802 R  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
       Component: J386__TSG_FT  006 0903 
       Serial number: KU0-KU008.01.1013907
       Coding: 18BC30
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 T    HW: 6R0 959 801 T  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
       Component: J387__TSG_BT  006 0902 
       Serial number: KU0-KU021.01.1010764
       Coding: 08BC30
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 C    HW: 6R0 959 655 C
       Component: VW10Airbag00B H09 0018  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 003DW00CBGDE
       Coding: 003042
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
       VCID: 428B47BFD58BA59654-8016
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 3572SRB40000AC149925
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 3582SRB40000AC1919AB
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Serial number: 3516GRB402LCT8IUPRI5
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Serial number: 3526GRB40279MGGL6SI4
    
    1 Fault Found:
    12656896 - Databus 
              U1122 00 [009] - Implausible Message
              [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 187
                        Mileage: 137231 km
                        Date: 2020.03.21
                        Time: 23:11:16
    
    
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    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
       Part No SW: 6R0 920 960 C    HW: 6R0 920 960 C
       Component: KOMBI         H03 0207  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 440200
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04052
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
       VCID: 35612C639445022EE1-8060
    
    1 Fault Found:
    12656896 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s) 
              U1111 00 [009] - -
              [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 187
                        Mileage: 137231 km
                        Date: 2020.03.21
                        Time: 23:09:29
    
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
       Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R0 937 085 B
       Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0207  
       Coding: 002300
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
       VCID: 70EFDD77A3A76706F2-8024
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01316 - ABS Control Module 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 187
                        Mileage: 137231 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2014.08.12
                        Time: 23:11:26
    
    
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    Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
       Component: IMMO          H03 0207  
       Serial number:               
       Coding: 000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03006
       ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
       VCID: 6ADBCF1F8D7B9DD6BC-803E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
       Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
       Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V277  
       Coding: 11250
       Shop #: WSC 31414  
       VCID: 2F6D1E0BEA1938FEAB-807A
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
                79-00 - Please Check Fault Codes
    
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    Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 5M0 035 156 B    HW: 5M0 035 156 B
       Component: Radio         510 0521  
       Revision: R0510002    Serial number: VWZ5Z1K0260340
       Coding: 0000020002
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 31414
       VCID: 285FF5175BF76FC66A-807C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:26)--------------------------
    
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    Address 17: DTCs cleared
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    Address 01: DTCs cleared
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    Address 08: DTCs cleared
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    Address 09: DTCs cleared
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    Address 15: DTCs cleared
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    Address 44: DTCs cleared
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    Address 44: DTCs cleared
    Last edited by anar288; 04-10-2020 at 05:18 AM.

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    Split from this thread.
    Your ABS is off-line completely. Coding isn't going to fix that.

    Where do I get a Wiring Diagram?
    How to Read Wiring Diagrams

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    https://drive.google.com/folderview?...QDKsgBD82IpwuP

    Suggest to check all positive connections including the T38/35 (terminal 15)

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    When the communication issue is sorted the coding from the original unit should be accepted. Per an earlier e-mail (when the original ABS was occasionally communicating) it was:

    Code:
            Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
            Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AJ HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
            Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001
            Revision: --------
            Coding: 230224E3216D00B2C42624E684D100801100
    6R0 907 379 AJ was revised 5 times .. so if the wiring is OK you may want to consider the possibility that the 2nd hand module may be flaky. I hope not - but we encounter that with used MK60EC1 modules often and it can make someone second guess their original diagnosis because the replacement was used with the same (old) part number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    When the communication issue is sorted the coding from the original unit should be accepted. Per an earlier e-mail (when the original ABS was occasionally communicating) it was:

    Code:
            Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
            Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AJ HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
            Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001
            Revision: --------
            Coding: 230224E3216D00B2C42624E684D100801100
    6R0 907 379 AJ was revised 5 times .. so if the wiring is OK you may want to consider the possibility that the 2nd hand module may be flaky. I hope not - but we encounter that with used MK60EC1 modules often and it can make someone second guess their original diagnosis because the replacement was used with the same (old) part number.
    Hi Dana, Many thanks for your email support and reply to my post. Was hoping that the abs module replacement was going to sort out the communication. Like you say, it could be that the second hand part may also be faulty. Just thought to check the power, grounds and canbus for the abs module to try narrow down further. Kind Regards, Andrew

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    Many thanks, just downloaded the wiring diagrams that you kindly posted ��

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    Many thanks Uwe!

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    There is an ESP9.0i for the 6R. When a 9.0i is connected to 8.2i wiring (2010 has 8.2) the +15 contact and CAN wires are in a different location. Make sure you don't have this situation
    If so, change wiring or ABS module

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    Hi iichel,

    Do you have the pinout for the abs module wiring loom connector? With power and earth pins labelled?

    Kind Regards,

    Andrew

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    Here was my auto-scan when the ABS module was working:

    Code:
    Wednesday,20,November,2019,12:42:27:01140
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)
    Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBU000140   License Plate: 
    
    
    Chassis Type: 6R-VW25 (6N0)
    Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 44 56
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBU000140   Mileage: 106860km-66399miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (CGP)       Labels: 03E-906-033-AZQ.lbl
       Part No SW: 03E 906 023 L    HW: 03E 906 023 L
       Component: SIMOS91 1.2l 4V     8394  
       Revision: --H05---    Serial number:               
       Coding: 0000071
       Shop #: WSC 00490 210 84728
       VCID: 285FF51798F76F0FCF-5122
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: N/A
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
       Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AJ    HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
       Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001  
       Revision: --------    
       Coding: 230224E3216D00B2C42624E684D100801100
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
       VCID: 06039BAFB523597F9D-8052
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 6R0-820-045-9AP.clb
       Part No SW: 6R0 820 045 J    HW: 6R0 820 045 J
       Component: Climatic       25 0660  
       Revision: 00 11 25    
       VCID: 35612C639C4502E744-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
       Part No SW: 6R0 937 086 F    HW: 6R0 937 086 
       Component: BCM PQ25 M++4 H46 0221  
       Revision: BD046001    Serial number: 0343 134100043
       Coding: 24B02BBF08A10000003000003D2B0CD00040410F60060000200000000000
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
       VCID: 3F8D4E4BAE79C8B79E-806A
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 R    HW: 6R0 959 802 R  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
       Component: J386__TSG_FT  006 0903 
       Serial number: KU0-KU005.05.1014534
       Coding: 18BC30
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 T    HW: 6R0 959 801 T  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
       Component: J387__TSG_BT  006 0902 
       Serial number: KU0-KU005.05.1012142
       Coding: 08BC30
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 F    HW: 6R0 959 811 F
       Component: J388__TSG_HL  006 0902 
       Serial number: KU0-KU010.05.1013892
       Coding: 08BC32
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 F    HW: 6R0 959 812 F
       Component: J389__TSG_HR  006 0902 
       Serial number: KU0-KU016.05.1010284
       Coding: 08BC32
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K    HW: 6R0 959 655 K
       Component: VW10Airbag00N H08 0020  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GX002KT5M
       Coding: 00304E
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
       VCID: 4A9B6F9FEDBB7D1F39-801E
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 3572SRB40000B6D1325%
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 3582SRB40000B7C099FM
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Serial number: 3515RRB40616SD5OFGTB
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Serial number: 3525RRB40616SD5O2H1F
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
       Part No SW: 6R0 920 960 F    HW: 6R0 920 960 F
       Component: KOMBI         H04 0304  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 440200
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04086
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW23.rod
       VCID: 387F25578357FF8F5F-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
       Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R0 937 086 
       Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0221  
       Coding: 002300
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
       VCID: 70EFDD77A3A767CF57-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
       Component: IMMO          H04 0304  
       Serial number:               
       Coding: 000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03008
       ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
       VCID: 6ADBCF1F8D7B9D1F19-803E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
       Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
       Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V277  
       Coding: 11250
       Shop #: WSC 31414  
       VCID: 2F6D1E0BEA1938370E-807A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 5M0 035 186 AA    HW: 5M0 035 186 AA
       Component: Radio RCD310  016 0049  
       Revision: 01000000    Serial number: VWZ1Z2K7094338
       Coding: 0500040002
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 31414
       VCID: 6BD5CA1B8A81841762-803E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:34)--------------------------
    The second hand part that I purchased was also 6R0 907 379 AJ and 6R0 907 379 AF H05 (does this signify that it is still 8.2?)

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