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    EOS 3.2 6 speed swap attempt

    I am attempting this swap and I am currently at the phase of poking at the modules to see if it will allow me to do the swap. When I try to recode the ECU from 0000078 to 0000072 it rejects it and i get "Error 31: Value out of range."

    It is my understanding this ECU will need to be reflashed. How may I go about doing this.

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    VCDS Version: 19.6.2.2 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20200210 DS308.0
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    VIN: WVWFB71F07V044237   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 241820km-150259mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 1F (1K0)
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 26 37 42 44 46 52 56 62 63
              65 72 73
    
    VIN: WVWFB71F07V044237   Mileage: 241820km-150259miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    26-Auto Roof -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    63-Entry Assist,D -- Status: OK 0000
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    73-Entry Assist, P -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 022-906-032-BDB.lbl
       Part No SW: 022 906 032 CF    HW: 022 906 032 GP
       Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1.1G   9378  
       Revision: --H02---    Serial number: VWX7Z0G23N98C6
       Coding: 0000078
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
       VCID: D1EA23AE48786CC7FA-8084
    
    5 Faults Found:
    001072 - Catalyst System; Bank 2 
                   P0430 - 002 - Efficiency Below Threshold - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11100010
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 235838 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 1470 /min
                        Load: 46.6 %
                        Speed: 66.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 85.0C
                        Temperature: 40.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 1020.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 13.843 V
    
    001056 - Catalyst System; Bank 1 
                   P0420 - 002 - Efficiency Below Threshold - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11100010
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 235838 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 1511 /min
                        Load: 24.7 %
                        Speed: 67.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 85.0C
                        Temperature: 40.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 1020.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 13.843 V
    
    008344 - Post-Catalyst Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor Correction; Bank 2 
                   P2098 - 002 - Too Lean - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100010
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 238970 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 661 /min
                        Load: 36.8 %
                        Speed: 1.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 89.0C
                        Temperature: 50.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 1000.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 13.335 V
    
    000275 - Intake Air Temp. Sensor (G42) 
                   P0113 - 002 - Signal too High
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100010
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 241822 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 0 /min
                        Load: 0.0 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 72.0C
                        Temperature: -40.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 11.303 V
    
    049409 - No Communication with Transmission Control Module 
                   U0101 - 008 - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 241822 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 0 /min
                        Load: 0.0 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 72.0C
                        Temperature: -40.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 11.303 V
    
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
       Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
       Revision: 00H11001    
       Coding: 0021218
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
       VCID: F3A6892692247ED728-80A6
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01315 - Transmission Control Module 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
       Part No SW: 1Q0 907 044 E    HW: 1Q0 907 044 E
       Component: ClimatronicPQ35 111 0202  
       Revision: 00111021    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: AF2E45563E8C1A378C-80FA
    
    3 Faults Found:
    01809 - Actuating Motor for Temperature Flap; Left (V158) 
                000 - - - Intermittent
    01810 - Actuating Motor for Temperature Flap; Right (V159) 
                000 - - - Intermittent
    01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71) 
                000 - - - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AE    HW: 3C0 937 049 AE
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H52 2002  
       Revision: 00H52000    Serial number: 00000006781724
       Coding: E58C8F0340041500470000000F00000000285D035C0001
       Shop #: WSC 00020 123 12345
       VCID: EC94925ACF1AA12FE9-80B8
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 140307 020  0501  
       Coding: 00038805
       Shop #: WSC 00020  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
       Component: RLS     201212 054  0403  
       Coding: 00209069
       Shop #: WSC 00020  
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: None
       Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 Q    HW: 8E0 035 593 Q
       Component: SDAR SIRIUS     H08 0160  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ4Z7L0607781
       Coding: 0000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: B73E7D36C6DCD2F7D4-80E2
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
                000 - -
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 53
                        Mileage: 241742 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 17:05:32
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1Q0-959-655.lbl
       Part No SW: 1Q0 959 655 A    HW: 1Q0 959 655 A
       Component: 14 Airbag VW8C      0180  
       Revision: 92009018    Serial number: 003B3001NU1T  
       Coding: 0012596
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
       VCID: BA386402F5CECF9F2B-80EE
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1Q0 959 339 A
       Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0003
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 3L8HV         
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0001.01.00000070000000000063
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 0000006332SRB404C1C896763
    
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 1C89676342SRB40481882C%63
    
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 1882C%6372URB4021BAF28A63
    
       Subsystem 7 - Serial number: BAF28A6382URB4021BAEFAP
    
       Subsystem 8 - Serial number: BAEFAP
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AQ    HW: 1K0 953 549 AQ
       Component: J0527           036 0070  
       Coding: 0012021
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
       VCID: 814AD3EED8985C472A-80D4
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: E0221           002 0010
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00002 - Transmission Control Unit 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No SW: 1Q0 920 973 B    HW: 1Q0 920 973 B
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1610  
       Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0G23N98C6
       Coding: 0023207
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
       VCID: B2284C222DBE37DFE3-80E6
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 K    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: J533__Gateway   H12 0170  
       Revision:   H12       Serial number: 33001072270E53
       Coding: 3DBF23680F065000
       Shop #: WSC 00020 999 12345
       VCID: AF2E45563E8C1A378C-80FA
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01315 - Transmission Control Module 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 63
                        Mileage: 241822 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 03:31:05
    
    
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    Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
       Part No SW: 1Q0 919 965     HW: 1Q0 919 965 
       Component: Kompass         002 0001  
       Revision: 00002000    Serial number: 1350208TKAEC02
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
       VCID: F9BABB0EB048048762-80AC
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 1Q0 920 973 B    HW: 1Q0 920 973 B
       Component: IMMO            VDD 1610  
       Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0G23N98C6
       Shop #: WSC 05666 444 124037
       VCID: B2284C222DBE37DFE3-80E6
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 26: Auto Roof        Labels: 1Q0-959-255.clb
       Part No SW: 1Q0 959 255 B    HW: 1Q0 959 255 B
       Component: Verdecksteuergeraet 0622  
       Revision: 0032000K    Serial number: 070610430     
       Coding: 0655360
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
       VCID: B73E7D36C6DCD2F7D4-80E2
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 
                002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100010
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 103
                        Mileage: 241822 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 02:55:13
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Voltage: 11.80 V
                        Voltage: 11.90 V
                        Voltage: 4.90 V
                        Error Code: 0
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 37: Navigation
    Cannot be reached
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MAX3.clb
       Part No SW: 1Q0 959 701 E    HW: 1Q0 959 701 E
       Component: Tuer-SG         006 1209  
       Coding: 0001207
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
       VCID: B6207032C1D62BFFCF-80E2
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00131 - Outside Door Handle Illumination/mirror Light Driver Side 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
       Part No: 1K1 909 144 L
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.071 H07 1806  
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
       VCID: B4244A3AD7AA39EFF1-80E0
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
       Component:    KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0218  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 1B908A800186083F28020C0FB0080E0488DC00
       Shop #: WSC 05666 444 124037
       VCID: 8444DAFAC78A496F01-80D0
    
       Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MAX3.clb
       Part No SW: 1Q0 959 702 E    HW: 1Q0 959 702 E
       Component: Tuer-SG         006 1209  
       Coding: 0001206
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
       VCID: B73E7D36C6DCD2F7D4-80E2
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio
    Cannot be reached
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
       Part No SW: 1Q0 959 703 A    HW: 1Q0 959 703 A
       Component: Tuer-SG         006 1203  
       Coding: 0000128
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 1012544
       VCID: B4244A3AD7AA39EFF1-80E0
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 63: Entry Assist,D        Labels: 1Q0-959-790.lbl
       Part No SW: 1Q0 959 790 A    HW: 1Q0 959 790 A
       Component: J572  EASYENTRY FS  0603  
       Revision: 00H02000    Serial number: 5DS008646-01--
       Coding: 0000002
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
       VCID: BA386402F5CECF9F2B-80EE
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
       Component:    RDK              0440  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 0100101
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
       VCID: 8444DAFAC78A496F01-80D0
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00625 - Vehicle Speed Signal 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 83
                        Mileage: 241674 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 20:57:11
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
       Part No SW: 1Q0 959 704 A    HW: 1Q0 959 704 A
       Component: Tuer-SG         006 1203  
       Coding: 0000128
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 1012544
       VCID: B522773EDCD020E7C6-80E0
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 73: Entry Assist, P        Labels: 1Q0-959-790.lbl
       Part No SW: 1Q0 959 790 A    HW: 1Q0 959 790 A
       Component: J573  EASYENTRY BFS 0603  
       Revision: 00H02000    Serial number: 5DS008646-01--
       Coding: 0000002
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
       VCID: BA386402F5CECF9F2B-80EE
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----(Elapsed Time: 01:42, VBatt start/end: 11.3V/11.3V. VIgn 11.2V)-----

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    You will need someone who does "ECU Tuning" or similar to flash MT software into it for you. That assumes that there is MT software available for this engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    You will need someone who does "ECU Tuning" or similar to flash MT software into it for you. That assumes that there is MT software available for this engine.

    -Uwe-
    I am told there are someone(s) lurking on these forums that can do and have done such things, but I was not provided with names.

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    I tried flashing manual R32 software (022 906 032 CD) onto a DSG R32 ecu (022 906 032 CE), and it wasn't sucessful. I flashed it back to DSG and it still worked, so I suspect the hardware is different, though you may have different results. My manual flash file may have had an issue or similar.

    Mine was a 2006 Immo 4A ECU - yours is 4C, so even with a brand new ECU, you'll need some additional help with immo coding.

    If you want to try manual software, you'll need a flash file from a Euro mk5 R32 with manual trans and IMMO4C (2007 onwards). Then it will only work if the ECU doesn't mind having no 4WD. Idon' think that would be an issue, but you never know! The EOS ECU part number is EOS specific.


    I'm not an expert at it, but I did do some other EEPROM changes that worked.

    I ended up buying a manual R32 ECU new from ECS for the R32 conversion in my Touran.

    I had the same fault code in the ABS, and it DID clear after installing the manual ECU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZDubNurd View Post
    I tried flashing manual R32 software (022 906 032 CD) onto a DSG R32 ecu (022 906 032 CE), and it wasn't sucessful. I flashed it back to DSG and it still worked, so I suspect the hardware is different, though you may have different results. My manual flash file may have had an issue or similar.

    Mine was a 2006 Immo 4A ECU - yours is 4C, so even with a brand new ECU, you'll need some additional help with immo coding.

    If you want to try manual software, you'll need a flash file from a Euro mk5 R32 with manual trans and IMMO4C (2007 onwards). Then it will only work if the ECU doesn't mind having no 4WD. Idon' think that would be an issue, but you never know! The EOS ECU part number is EOS specific.


    I'm not an expert at it, but I did do some other EEPROM changes that worked.

    I ended up buying a manual R32 ECU new from ECS for the R32 conversion in my Touran.

    I had the same fault code in the ABS, and it DID clear after installing the manual ECU.
    HW could be ok, but "conditions" to update not match between , so this is why failed
    99% upload BDM backup directly to CPU should work
    so the best way is do manual changes in ECU software
    or write whole dump via BDM directly to CPU from proper ECU
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    I was in boot mode, but was using someone elses file, not one I'd read myself. so possible the file was corrupt.
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    I got the car to turn on and idle fine with the key in the ignition and running a wire from the starter solenoid to a 12v source. It looks like I will have to wire up my own starter relay from the ignition switch directly to bypass the lockout from the transmission not being there. Which is easy. The issue I am running into now is finding a VR6 tranny. The one that was given to me was off a 2.5 and I was hoping it would work but I also knew that was wishful thinking.

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    No, no half-assing the wiring : you need to rewire the pin from the J519 that usually goes to from the J519 to the DSG trans, and earth it, and code the J519 for manual trans (I think?). I can't recall the pin number (I'm part way through a bottle of Jim Beam Double Oak ). You will NEED wiring diagrams, because you are going to have to wire in a clutch switch too.

    You can't use a inline (4 cylinder, and US 5cyl) trans, because the bellhousing angle is different. The pattern is the same, but the VR6 is leaned forward, where the inline type is leant backwards. In the US, the MK4 had an option with 2.8 VR6 and FWD, right? One of those trans, with driveshafts that have the MK5 outer CVs fitted should work. The trans WILL, but I'm unsure which driveshaft will be the correct length. Left side MK4 should be fine with the outer swapped. RHS, I'm not 100% on. I have a 02M (MK4) trans in my Touran (MK5) conversion, but it's 4motion, so I have the angle drive and shorter RHS driveshaft - I had some dramas getting the correct shaft and ended up using a TT one with the MK5 outer CVs.

    You CAN use a 4motion trans, and leave the angle drive spinning in mid air... even cooler, building the worlds first 4motion EOS??? Mine wasn't the first 4motion Touran (I think it was the 3rd!) but it WAS the worlds first FULLY functional 4motion R32 Touran though
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