MKIV R32 P0103 and P1143

Dr.Distortion · Mar 9, 2020

Hi All...

First post in a long time.

I'm having problems with my R32.
Started as a p0103, so I changed the MAF with part# 0 280 218 073 German Bosch part.
Then got p1143. so I removed and cleaned the TB. I replaced the O ring behind the TB and I realigned the throttle.
The car started hunting at idle and surging while driving. I disassembled rechecking everything looking for vacuum leaks and found a broken breather tube. I replaced it with a new one part# 022 103 474 L. I realigned the throttle.

Still have hunting and surging. CEL and stability lights lit.

Log below...

Thank you for giving it a look.
Don

Code:

Sunday,08,March,2020,16:34:43:63675
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.2 (x64)
Data version: 20200210 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWKG61J04D127005   License Plate: 



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Chassis Type: 1J (1J - VW Golf/Bora IV (1998 > 2006))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
          76
 
VIN: WVWKG61J04D127005   Mileage: 231000km-143536miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 022-906-032-BJS.lbl
   Part No SW: 022 906 032 EG    HW: 144 03
   Component: United  R32     G   6411  
   Coding: 0000132
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 54A9703EF403F4EF51-5178

3 Faults Found:
17551 - Load Calculation Cross Check 
            P1143 - 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
16891 - Idle Control System RPM 
            P0507 - 001 - Higher than Expected. - MIL ON
16487 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70) 
            P0103 - 001 - Signal too High
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ESP-A.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 907 379 P
   Component: ESP ALLRAD MK60     0101  
   Coding: 0023049
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 377327B245B53FF754-515A

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
   Part No: 3B1 907 044 C
   Component: CLIMATRONIC     C 2.0.0  
   Coding: 11200
   Shop #: WSC 31414  
   VCID: 2147E9EAAB3151478A-51B2

1 Fault Found:
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71) 
            37-00 - Faulty

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 909 605 F
   Component: 17 AIRBAG VW61 0108 0003  
   Coding: 12599
   Shop #: WSC 31414  
   VCID: 2753F7F2C515AF77C4-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 920 927 A
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03  
   Coding: 15230
   Shop #: WSC 04997  
   VCID: 2957F1CAD3019907D2-513C
   WVWKG61J04D127005     VWZ7Z0C8634417

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 31414  
   VCID: 70E1DCAE305BA8CF55-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: 02D-900-554.lbl
   Part No: 02D 900 554 C
   Component: HALDEX LSC  ECC     0010  
   VCID: 2041ECEEA03B584F85-4B18

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 959 799 C
   Component: C7 Komfortgerát HLO 0003  
   Coding: 00064
   Shop #: WSC 31414  
   VCID: 377327B215B53FF754-4B18

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C1959801A
   Component: C7 Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0202  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C1959802A
   Component: C7 Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0202  

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 3B7-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 3B7 035 180 G
   Component:    Radio NP2        0016  
   Coding: 00031
   Shop #: WSC 31414  
   VCID: 2449E0FEB423446FE1-515A

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:09)--------------------------

Sorry wrong forum

Dr.Distortion · Mar 9, 2020

I thought I posted in the wrong place, sorry for the duplicate.
Any suggestions what next steps should be?

Boki Ar · Mar 9, 2020

Please wait for the administrator's decision and don't worry, everything will come in its place.

Uwe · Mar 9, 2020

Moving to Car Repair Support.

-Uwe-

Dr.Distortion · Mar 10, 2020

Help? I'm stuck. Any Ideas?

Uwe · Mar 10, 2020

I would start by checking MAF readings -- at idle, and log a full throttle run through 2nd or 3rd gear and let's see what you've got.

-Uwe-

Jef · Mar 10, 2020

Also, what are the values in 01-08-032?

MAF issues are not super common on 2004 and onward vehicles.... unless there is some sort of aftermarket intake/filter installed, then MAF failures are common.

Dr.Distortion · Mar 10, 2020

Thank you Uwe, will do, can you point me to the directions to do that? I'm a novice. Willing to read/study if you could point me in the right direction.

Thank you Jef same as above. I haven't used VCDS much...

Thank you both. I won't be back to the problem till Sunday next. pointers to what to read would be very helpful...

Regards
Don (Dr.Distortion) Williams

Jef · Mar 11, 2020

Fuel trim stuff, what I'm asking about for 01-08-032:

Uwe is asking for the data from 01-08-003.

[url]http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Fuel_Trim_Info[/URL]

Here's a good sanity check for the status of your MAF. Do a full-throttle run all the way to redline in a single gear (second works fine). Group 002 usually shows air mass in g/s (in many modern ECU's, consult your Factory Repair Manual for the specific group for your particular vehicle). Your peak airflow should be roughly 0.80 times your horsepower if you are close to sea level.

MK4 R32 (the best one) has the BJS engine, rated at 177kW @ 6200rpm. 177kW = 237HP. 80% of 237 is 189. So you would hope to see somewhere around 189 g/s from the MAF on a 2nd or 3rd gear pull when hitting 6200rpms. I will outright tell you... you will not see 189 g/s, but you should be decently close to it. The value will vary based on several factors... but the big 3 factors are volumetric efficiency of the engine, location of test (altitude) and weather conditions. What we are looking for is a rather low number that implies the MAF is under reporting air flow... if that is the case, then the engine would run lean (too much air).

Dr.Distortion · Jun 2, 2020

Hello everybody
Sorry for the large gap. I've been isolated for the last 3 months and had no chance to get to the shop. I will be proceeding where I left off...
Thank you for understanding.
Don

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 2, 2020

Bad wrong MAF part number & FOD tuning warning!

Dr.Distortion · Jun 4, 2020

Hi folks,

I've got a log, but seem not to have permission to create an attachment.

It's an excel workbook.

Don

MartinsX · Jun 4, 2020

Jack@European_Parts said:
Bad wrong MAF part number & FOD tuning warning!

Can't disagree...

Code:

Readiness: 0000 0000

Dr.Distortion · Jun 4, 2020

I put the original MAF back in and still get readiness 0000 0000. It is the MAF I've used for many years...

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 4, 2020

I put the original MAF back in and still get readiness 0000 0000

Yeah and without even driving and after resetting the DTC's right? :rolleyes:

Component: United R32 G 6411 <<<<< what's this do?

Uwe · Jun 4, 2020

Dr.Distortion said:
I've got a log, but seem not to have permission to create an attachment.

Right, we do not allow arbitrary file attachments here.

The original data from VCDS should be a .CSV file. This will open in Excel by default, but it is just plain text, and you can Open it With Notepad too and copy & paste the text here. Alternatively, you can upload it to a Google spreadsheet, share it, and post a link to it here.

-Uwe-

Dr.Distortion · Jun 4, 2020

How do I post my excel log?

Dr.Distortion · Jun 4, 2020

Thank you, here it is.

Code:

Thursday	4	June	2020	13:27:05:63675-VCID:54A9703EF403F4EF51-5178	VCDS Version: Release 19.6.2 (x64)	Data version: 20200210 DS308.0				
022 906 032 EG		United  R32     G   6411								
										
	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'032			
		Engine Speed	Mass Air Flow	Throttle Position	Ignition		Adaptation (Idle)	Adaptation (Partial)	Adaptation (Idle)	Adaptation (Partial)
	TIME			Sensor (G187)	Timing Angle	TIME	Bank 1 Sensor 1	Bank 1 Sensor 1	Bank 2 Sensor 1	Bank 2 Sensor 1
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	 %	 °BTDC	STAMP	 %	 %	 %	 %
	0.17	1000	7.36	0	-9	0	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	0.52	1000	7.81	0	-9	0.34	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	0.86	1000	7.81	0	-9	0.69	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	1.2	1040	7.47	0	-9	1.03	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	1.54	1040	7.86	0	-9	1.37	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	1.87	1080	9.06	2	22.5	1.7	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	2.2	1280	15.31	3.5	21.8	2.04	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	2.54	1280	15.11	3.5	20.3	2.37	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	2.89	1240	14.31	3.1	6.8	2.71	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	3.23	1400	20.14	5.1	5.3	3.06	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	3.57	1160	12.92	2.7	-10.5	3.4	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	3.9	1160	19.19	5.5	16.5	3.74	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	4.24	1480	22.69	6.3	12	4.07	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	4.57	1560	24.19	6.7	9.8	4.41	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	4.91	1560	27.33	8.2	10.5	4.74	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	5.24	1840	26.78	7.5	17.3	5.07	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	5.59	2160	31.14	9	20.3	5.41	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	5.93	2440	34.78	10.2	15.8	5.76	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	6.27	2720	35.75	9.8	20.3	6.1	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	6.61	2640	13.33	2.4	-1.5	6.44	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	6.94	2360	11.42	2	4.5	6.77	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	7.27	2200	35.67	9.8	27.8	7.11	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	7.61	1960	40.89	14.9	16.5	7.44	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	7.94	2280	70.17	63.1	13.5	7.78	-0.2	0	0	0
	8.28	2640	84.25	72.5	13.5	8.11	-0.2	0	0	0
	8.61	3000	102.47	88.6	13.5	8.45	-0.2	0	0	0
	8.95	3360	109.25	100	15	8.78	-0.2	0	0	0
	9.28	3760	118.28	100	18	9.11	-0.2	0	0	0
	9.62	4120	124.25	100	21	9.45	-0.2	0	0	0
	9.95	4480	125.03	100	18.8	9.79	-0.2	0	0	0
	10.28	4800	137.44	100	18.8	10.12	-0.2	0	0	0
	10.62	5200	161.25	100	22.5	10.45	-0.2	0	0	0
	10.95	5480	167.44	100	22.5	10.78	-0.2	0	0	0
	11.29	5840	180.11	100	19.5	11.12	-0.2	0	0	0
	11.62	6160	184.61	100	21.8	11.45	-0.2	0	0	0
	11.97	6400	204.94	100	22.5	11.8	-0.2	0	0	0
	12.31	6480	31.58	8.2	15	12.14	-0.2	0	0	0
	12.66	5600	28.42	7.8	19.5	12.48	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	12.99	4920	26.08	7.1	18	12.82	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	13.34	4440	23.92	6.3	16.5	13.17	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	13.68	4440	21	5.5	11.3	13.51	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	14.03	4360	19.42	5.1	11.3	13.85	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	14.37	4280	17.86	4.3	12.8	14.2	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	14.71	4240	16.39	3.9	13.5	14.54	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3
	15.05	4160	16.5	3.9	12.8	14.89	-0.2	1.6	0	2.3

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 4, 2020

Absolutely living up to your username Dr. Distortion..........

Dr.Distortion · Jun 4, 2020

My name is from years reverse engineering vintage guitar effects.
I did convert the file to CSV but had no to tell how it would look after the paste. Sorry...
Any thoughts on the log?

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