2013 7P Touareg TDI Canadian Version Starter Problems

Diesel Matt · Feb 24, 2020

Been having an intermittent starting problems.

Code:

VIN: WVGEP9BP0DD012787   License Plate: AWZR150
Mileage: 107867km

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Chassis Type: BP-VW52 (7P6)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 36 42 46 47 52 53 55 56 5F
          62 65 69 6C 6D 72

VIN: WVGEP9BP0DD012787   Mileage: 107867km-67025miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CNRB)       Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7P0 907 401 K    HW: 7P0 907 401 K
   Component: 3.0TDI FSA    H21 0013  
   Revision: 56H21---    
   Coding: 292A4012233600050000
   Shop #: WSC 93008 999 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0117P0907401K 001014
   ROD: EV_ECM30TDI0117P0907401K.rod
   VCID: 373ED3AA8EF6DCF756-8062

1 Fault Found:
5456 - Starter Will Not Turn 
          P3054 00 [046] - Jammed or Electrical Malfunction
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Mileage: 107419 km
                    Date: 2020.02.07
                    Time: 11:06:12

                    Engine speed: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 20 ∞C
                    Intake air temperature: 14 ∞C
                    Ambient air pressure: 980 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 10.500 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Accelerator pedal travel: 0.00 %
                    Starter control: Interlock- or P/N-signal-Bits 0-7: 17
                    Engine status: COENG_READY
                    Engine status-Test_Program_Co Eng st COMPU VERB UBYTE: 1

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Any one seen this code before? It happened once today at my office on my way home. Happened again an hour ago on my driveway on my way to get fuel. Then once again when I stopped at the coin op car wash to give it a quick wash.

Funny enough all times I tried starting it via the starting button then nothing happened; just a click. I then keyed it then it fired right up.

Terminal 30 @ 10.5V makes me clinch my eyebrows...

What do you all think...I'll throw in a new battery this week when I'm doing brakes...considering the battery is original...

The starter...does it require the entire motor / tranny assembly to be dropped to replace? Just want to prepare myself mentally for a worse case scenario SHTF scenario...

Thanks.

Jef · Feb 25, 2020

Please post a full Auto-Scan, do not edit it down.

5456 - Starter Will Not Turn
P3054 00 [046] - Jammed or Electrical Malfunction

Basically the ECM is saying "I'm doing what I can to power up the starter and I ain't seeing the crank a spinning". The starter could be going bad, or the starter is not getting a good Terminal 50 signal to fire up the starter. The electrical path for the Terminal 50 of the starter goes through 2 relays, the J906 and J907. And then there is a T17e/17 connection as well (location unknown to me). If any of these items have a poor electrical/mechanical connection, it could cause this issue.

An old battery could be the issue, so it is possible that replacing it is the fix.

Doesn't look like you've got to drop the engine/trans to replace the starter if needed. The alternator is pulled, then that seems to give room for the starter to be pulled.

Jack@European_Parts · Feb 25, 2020

OP did you take a jumper cable and put to chassis and engine & the other to battery ground to authenticate the connections too?

Gremling · Feb 26, 2020

Just to get it clarified, when engine won't turn by means of pressing button, it turns/cranks and engine starts every time you use key?
If I understand your post, can you please test and confirm this a few times? Use button, if no start, use remote and shut down car, use remote to open door (activate car) and then try again with button. If still no crank/start, use/turn key and see if this starts engine, looking fwd for your response.

Regards
Gremling

Jack@European_Parts · Feb 26, 2020

That's a good point Gremling, I think implying the alarm anti crank mechanism maybe active or faulty, also FYI don't some cars get this code if a judge at some point required a sobriety meter be installed in a car for a convicted alcoholic too?

Diesel Matt · Mar 2, 2020

Jack@European_Parts said:
OP did you take a jumper cable and put to chassis and engine & the other to battery ground to authenticate the connections too?

Yes. I tried jumper pack as well as jumper cables to a known good battery. It still starts up.

Jack@European_Parts said:
That's a good point Gremling, I think implying the alarm anti crank mechanism maybe active or faulty, also FYI don't some cars get this code if a judge at some point required a sobriety meter be installed in a car for a convicted alcoholic too?

Well lucky me I don't have that to worry about...Also alcoholics do not get convicted under the Criminal Code of Canada. You CAN get convicted for operating a motor vehicle under the influence...albeit not necessary only under the influence of alcohol...

Anyways back on topic...

I threw in a new battery last Tuesday February 25th. Then today again just as I was stepping out of the office the starter did a click again. This time I hit the start button again and it fired right up.

I scanned it just now...

Code:

VIN: WVGEP9BP0DD012787   Mileage: 108138km-67193miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010

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Address 01: Engine (J623-CNRB)       Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7P0 907 401 K    HW: 7P0 907 401 K
   Component: 3.0TDI FSA    H21 0013  
   Revision: 56H21---    
   Coding: 292A4012233600050000
   Shop #: WSC 93008 999 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0117P0907401K 001014
   ROD: EV_ECM30TDI0117P0907401K.rod
   VCID: 373ED3AA8EF6DCF754-8062

1 Fault Found:
5456 - Starter Will Not Turn 
          P3054 00 [108] - Jammed or Electrical Malfunction
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Mileage: 107985 km
                    Date: 2020.02.26
                    Time: 19:30:58

                    Engine speed: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 17 ∞C
                    Intake air temperature: 10 ∞C
                    Ambient air pressure: 980 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 10.700 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Accelerator pedal travel: 0.00 %
                    Starter control: Interlock- or P/N-signal-Bits 0-7: 17
                    Engine status: COENG_READY
                    Engine status-Test_Program_Co Eng st COMPU VERB UBYTE: 1

Readiness: 0 0 0 1 0 

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0C8-927-750.clb
   Part No SW: 0C8 927 750 AK    HW: 0C8 927 750 AK
   Component: AL1000 AISIN  002 3398  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 001368
   Shop #: WSC 26744 004 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL991031 002115
   ROD: EV_TCMAL991031_002.rod
   VCID: 75A219A2D47A6EE786-8020

1 Fault Found:
12785 - Switch for Reverse Driving 
          P306B 00 [008] - Open or Short to GND
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 197
                    Mileage: 105253 km
                    Date: 2019.11.01
                    Time: 07:36:19

                    Engine speed: 810.0 /min
                    Transmission input speed: 180 /min
                    Transmission output speed: 30 /min
                    Engine torque: 32 Nm
                    Transmission fluid temperature: 10 ∞C
                    Accelerator position: 0.0 %
                    Clutch_C1: Open
                    Clutch_C2: Open
                    Clutch_C3: closed
                    Clutch_C4: Open
                    Clutch_B1: Open
                    Clutch_B2: Open
                    Lock Up Clutch: Open
                    EOP target revolution: 65534 /min
                    EOP actual revolution: 65279 /min
                    Engine Speed signal Current: 65279 /min
                    EOP failure status with EOP without HV 1: Motor normal stop
                    EOP target current: 65278 mA

I am having a hunch it might have something to do with that reverse switch code. Anyone seen that before? Where would that switch be...

Thank you all.

2013 7P Touareg TDI Canadian Version Starter Problems

Diesel Matt

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Jef

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Jack@European_Parts

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Gremling

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Jack@European_Parts

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Diesel Matt

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