TT-RS 2013 where is the G83 sensor ?

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TT-RS from 2013, has a P2181 cooling performance fault along with an intermittent coolant temperate gauge.
I changed the 2 pin G62 sensor as that seems to be a common VAG fault but the problems continue.
The wiring diagram shows a G83 ECT supposedly on the radiator but it's not there.
Also confirmed the G62 is working and car using it by pulling the plug on it, whereby the fan's went into emergency oh shit mode lol.

Where oh where is the dastardly G83 on my CEPB engine and anyone know what measuring block it is ?
And a part number pretty please.

Think I may have found it, behind the oil dip stick and above the thermostat housing. Can anyone confirm ?
I really need the measuring block because it is going to be a serious pain to get to.
 
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Hello,

Based on some research in the www.PartsLink24.com website and the Audi [Self-Study Program 990713 - Audi TT RS with the 2.5L TFSI Engine], the 2013 Audi CEPA 2,5L 5-cylinder engine found in the Audi TTRS (03/2009 to 06/2014) does not use a G83-Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor on Radiator Outlet.

This engine only uses the G62-Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor, found on the 'Engine Coolant Water Outlet Housing'.

For the P2181-Performance Malfunction in Cooling System fault code, when I was at the Audi dealership we suggested to replace both the G62 sensor and the coolant thermostat, because either one could potentially cause this fault code.

Hope this helps,

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Your research has confirmed what I have found so far, the G83 sensor is not documented on the CEPB version of this engine.
I changed the G62 because it was simple and cheap and can confirm it's working by watching it in the software.
This also seems to confirm the thermostat is working and indeed, the temperature gauge will sometimes randomly work for a while then die again.
There is a sensor behind the dip stick/top of the thermostat area that is not documented in the "component locations" diagram page 856/31
My wiring diagram is from 04.2011, a little before this model hit the USA.
 
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Can I somehow "trick" VCDS into reading the G83 sensor position from another car that does have it ?
Any possibility the engine ECU are physically similar such that we can map the G83 input pin.
I'm thinking the TT-RS is the bastard child of a VW 5 cylinder model and the TTS.
 
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Can I somehow "trick" VCDS into reading the G83 sensor position from another car that does have it ?
Any possibility the engine ECU are physically similar such that we can map the G83 input pin.
I'm thinking the TT-RS is the bastard child of a VW 5 cylinder model and the TTS.
VCDS can only show you what the car knows and is willing to tell.

-Uwe-
 
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If you found a 2nd coolant related sensor that isn't documented (mystery sensor) I'd be tempted to unplug it to see what new fault code the controller happens to reward you with. Doing so may add clarity .. but if doesn't please post the Auto-Scan with VIN so I can take a crack at the repair info we have.
 
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Please make controller maps, plugged and unplugged.

[Applications]
[Controller Channel Map]
- Controller Address = 01
- Login or security code: Leave blank
- Function: Measuring values
- Output: CSV file
[Go]

Files are placed in c:\Roos-Tech\Logs
 
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As requested controller maps and log. I managed to get to the mystery connector and it is an injector.
Please ignore the G62 error, that is from when I unplugged the sensor.
http://quattrohead.com/TTRS/
 
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Vehicle Identification No.TRUB3AFK2D1900502
ModelAudi TTRS Plus Coupe
quattro 2.5
TTRS
Date of production13.09.2012
Model year2013
Sales type8J35R9
Engine CodeCEPB
Transmission CodeLNA

Emission standard7GBEmission standard ULEV 2


JPPSG
https://forums.ross-tech.com/showth...essional-Problem-Solver-Guide-quot-JPPSG-quot

PSSST G62 and G83 SAME THING, NOPE!

RTFB will show you?


Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor 1 or 2,

Checking WARNING
* Cooling system is under pressure.
* Danger of scalding when opening!



Note : ONLY Use gold-plated terminals when servicing terminals in the electrical harness connector of Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor -G62 or G83-.
Special tools and workshop equipment required
Multi-meter.
jumper wire.

Wiring diagram.
DECADE BOX
A3C6_1_201803091983313465.jpg

Test requirements
* The Engine Control Module (ECM) - J623- fuses OK.
* Battery voltage at least 12.5 volts.
* All electrical consumers such as, lights and rear window defroster, switched off.
* Vehicles with automatic transmission, shift selector lever into position “P” or “N”.
* A/C switched off.
* Ground connections between engine/transmission/chassis OK.
* Ignition switched OFF.
* Engine COLD.


Test procedure
– Perform a preliminary check to verify the customers complaint. Refer to → Chapter „Preliminary Check“
Start diagnosis
– Connect the scan tool.
– Switch the ignition On.
– Using the scan tool, check the coolant temperature:

Diagnostic text Specified value
Coolant temperature near Ambient temperature (veh. completely cooled down)


– Switch the ignition Off.
If the specified value was Not obtained:
– Continue test according to the following table:

Indicated Cause Test
approx. - 40.0° C Open circuit or short circuit to (B+) → Anchor
approx. 140.0° C Short circuit to Ground → Anchor


If the specified value was obtained:
– Start the engine and let it run at idle.
The temperature value must increase uniformly in increments of 1.0° C.
If the engine shows problems in certain temperature ranges, if the temperature does not climb uniformly or the temperature signal is intermittent.
– Switch the ignition OFF.
– Replace the the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor - G62 or G83- .
Checking internal resistance
– Disconnect the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor -G62 or G83- electrical harness connector.
– Using a multimeter, check the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor -G62 or G83- terminals 1 to 2 for resistance.
Use the chart below for the specified values:

ECT Temperature vs Resistance


Temp (C) min. value ohms max value ohms
- 40 36816 43714
- 35 28840 33978
- 25 17680 20530
- 15 10940 12534
- 5 6897 7804
0 5535 6226
5 4443 4970
15 2923 3235
25 1978 2167
35 1369 1486
45 965 1039
55 692 738
65 503 533
75 372 392
85 279 292
95 213 223
105 164 172
115 127 134
125 99 106
135 78 84


If the specified value was Not obtained:
– Replace the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor -G62 or G83- .
Testing if display is approx. - 40.0° C
– Disconnect the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor -G62 or G83- electrical harness connector .
– Using a jumper wire, connect the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor -G62 or G83- electrical harness connector terminals 1 to 2.
– Check the value indicated on the scan tool display.
If the value jumps to approx. 140.0° C:
– Switch the ignition OFF.
– Replace the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor -G62 or G83- .
If indication remains at approx. -40.0° C:
Checking wiring
– Remove the Engine Control Module (ECM) -J623-. Refer to the Repair Manual.
– Using a multi-meter, check the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor -G62 or G83- electrical harness connector terminal 1 to the Engine Control Module (ECM) -J623- electrical harness connector for an open circuit or a short to voltage, refer to the chart below for the appropriate sensor. Refer to Wiring Diagrams for pin locations.
ECT 1

Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor -G62 - electrical harness connector terminals Engine Control Module (ECM) -J623- electrical connector T60 terminals
1 14
2 10


ECT 2

Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor -2 G83- electrical harness connector terminals Engine Control Module (ECM) -J623- electrical connector T94 terminals
1 18
2 12

A TONE GEN TO THESE TERMINALS ABOVE ON T94 WILL LEAD THE WAY!
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Specified values: 1.5 Ω Max. and 0 volts disconnected from ECM.
If the specified value was Not obtained:
– Check the wiring for an open or short circuit to Battery (+).
– Check the electrical harness connector for damage, corrosion, loose or broken terminals.
– If necessary, repair the faulty wiring connection.
If no malfunction is detected in the signal circuit:
– Using a multi-meter, check terminal 2 of the ECT sensor to engine ground.
Specified value: 1.5 Ω Max
If the specified value was Not obtained:
– Check the wiring for an open circuit or high resistance.
– Check the electrical harness connector for damage, corrosion, loose or broken terminals.
– If necessary, repair the faulty wiring connection.
If no malfunction is detected in the ground circuit:
– Replace the Engine Control Module (ECM) -J623-. Refer to the Repair Manual.
Testing if display approx. 140.0° C
– Disconnect the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor -G62 or G83- electrical harness connector .
– Turn the ignition switch ON.
If indication jumps to approx. -40.0° C:
– Switch ignition OFF.
– Replace the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor -G62 or G83- .
If indication remains at approx. 140.0° C:
Checking wiring
– Remove the Engine Control Module (ECM) -J623-. Refer to the Repair Manual.
– Disconnect the ECT harness connector at the sensor.
– Using a multi-meter, check the signal circuit of the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor -G62 or G83- electrical harness connector terminal 1 to engine ground. Refer to Wiring Diagrams for pin locations.
Specified value: OL or no continuity.
If the specified value was Not obtained:
– Check the wiring for a short circuit to Ground.
– Check the electrical harness connector for damage, corrosion, loose or broken terminals.
– If necessary, repair the faulty wiring connection.
If no malfunction is detected in the wiring:
– Replace the Engine Control Module (ECM) -J623-. Refer to the Repair Manual.
Final procedures
After the repair work, the following work steps must be performed in the following sequence:
1 - Check the DTC memory. Refer to → Chapter „Diagnostic Mode 03 - Read DTC Memory“.
2 - If necessary, erase the DTC memory. Refer to → Chapter „Diagnostic Mode 04 - Erase DTC Memory“.
3 - If the DTC memory was erased, generate readiness code. Refer to → Chapter „Readiness Code“.

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As requested controller maps and log.

Could you post the raw CSV file (s) here:
Write these codes [code] and insert text data here between.. [/code]
Or click [Go Advanced], use # icon.

Edit: Sorry I found it know.
 
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Thanks for posting a link to the files. I'm going to wrap that scan in
Code:
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From  Log-TRUB3AFK2D1900502-133310km-82834mi.txt

	
	


Code:
Friday,31,January,2020,16:30:09:12760
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: TRUB3AFK2D1900502   License Plate: 
Mileage: 133310km-82834mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: FK (7N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 0F 10 14 15 16 17 19 22 25 2E 37 42 44 46 47 4C
          52 55 56 61 77

VIN: TRUB3AFK2D1900502   Mileage: 133310km-82834miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
14-Susp. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
4C-Tire Pressure II -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (CEP)       Labels:. 07K-907-404-CEP.clb
   Part No SW: 8J0 907 404 R    HW: 8J0 907 404 M
   Component: 2.5l R5/4V TFSI     0010  
   Revision: F7H07---    Serial number: AUX7Z0L8FN502H
   Coding: 0113000A180F0160
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 3C2135EC7A68BA67D61-8068

3 Faults Found:
008577 - Performance Malfunction in Cooling System 
               P2181 - 008 -  - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11101000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 133139 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.12.22
                    Time: 13:39:27

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 2188 /min
                    Load: 14.5 %
                    Speed: 93.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 74.0°C
                    Temperature: 32.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1020.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.732 V

001243 - Crankcase Ventilation System 
               P04DB - 008 - Disconnected - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 133314 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.01.28
                    Time: 13:22:52

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 2809 /min
                    Load: 10.2 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 41.0°C
                    Temperature: 19.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.732 V

000280 - Engine Coolant Temp. Sensor (G62) 
               P0118 - 002 - Signal too High
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100010
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 133314 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.01.28
                    Time: 13:59:27

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 687 /min
                    Load: 14.1 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: -40.0°C
                    Temperature: 57.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.605 V

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8J0-614-517.clb
   Part No SW: 8J0 910 517 A    HW: 8J0 614 517 G
   Component: ESP MK60E1          0030  
   Revision: 00H60001    
   Coding: 0618391
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 2A0D03B480FC34D7B4D-807E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8J0 820 043 BD    HW: 8J0 820 043 BD
   Component: J255  Klima 1 Zone  0110  
   Revision: 00H09006    Serial number: 00000001223321
   Coding: 1572901
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 698FBCB8457AFFCF7D7-803C

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            008 - Implausible Signal
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101000
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 6
                    Reset counter: 136
                    Mileage: 131390 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.13
                    Time: 04:34:01


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8P0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 907 063 AC    HW: 8P0 907 063 AC
   Component: BCM PQ35  H   112 0715  
   Revision: AB112715    
   Coding: 66000B28E83336242074C9E021900C4D53F677AA3120D928DC080A440041
   Shop #: WSC 01236 758 00200
   VCID: 75B7E0C815C22B2FE9F-8020

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8J1 955 119 A    HW: 8J1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer AU354  H09 0080 
   Coding: 00FD30

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 910 557     HW: 8K0 955 559 A  Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: REGENLICHTSEN  H04 0003 
   Coding: 02492C

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

No fault code found.

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Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 P    HW: 8E0 035 593 P
   Component: SDAR SIRIUS     H07 0160  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ4Z7M0621697
   Coding: 0000100
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 363527C444446037205-8062

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 99
                    Mileage: 131235 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.07
                    Time: 09:52:33


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:. 8P0-919-475-7X1.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 919 475 M    HW: 8P0 919 475 M
   Component: PARKHILFE 4K  H01 0140  
   Revision: 11001001    Serial number: 36861221903149
   Coding: 00000B
   Shop #: WSC 01236 758 00200
   VCID: 48C9593C32B0E6C7429-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 14: Susp. Elect.        Labels: 8P0-907-376.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 910 376 E    HW: 8J0 907 376 E
   Component: J250 Raddaempfung   0110  
   Revision: --H22---    Serial number: 190DPH 2184053
   Coding: 0000072
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 313F14D8AD2A470F757-8064

4 Faults Found:
00142 - Left Front Dampening Adjustment Valve (N336) 
            011 - Open Circuit - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11101011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 140
                    Reset counter: 138
                    Mileage: 131235 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.07
                    Time: 09:52:26

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 14.40 V
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Voltage: 4.99 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00010010
                    Bin. Bits: 00010000
                    Ohms: 0.0
                    Resistance: 390.15 ohms

00143 - Front Right Dampening Adjustment Valve (N337) 
            011 - Open Circuit - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11101011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 140
                    Reset counter: 138
                    Mileage: 131235 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.07
                    Time: 09:52:26

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 14.40 V
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Voltage: 4.99 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00010010
                    Bin. Bits: 00010000
                    Ohms: 0.0
                    Resistance: 390.15 ohms

00144 - Rear Left Dampening Adjustment Valve (N338) 
            011 - Open Circuit - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11101011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 141
                    Reset counter: 138
                    Mileage: 131235 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.07
                    Time: 09:52:26

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 14.40 V
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Voltage: 4.99 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00010010
                    Bin. Bits: 00010000
                    Ohms: 0.0
                    Resistance: 390.15 ohms

00145 - Rear Right Dampening Adjustment Valve (N339) 
            011 - Open Circuit - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11101011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 141
                    Reset counter: 138
                    Mileage: 131235 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.07
                    Time: 09:52:26

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 14.40 V
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Voltage: 4.99 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00010010
                    Bin. Bits: 00010000
                    Ohms: 0.0
                    Resistance: 390.15 ohms


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8J0-959-655.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 959 655     HW: 8J0 959 655 
   Component: 20 Airbag 9.43  H03 0020  
   Revision: 93H03002    Serial number: 0036K00657UY  
   Coding: 0012848
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 79AFECF835DA4F4F8D7-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8J0 959 339 C
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. H04 0040

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 00950         

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0001.01.0000H0400000000000ÿ†63

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 000000ÿ†6332DRB40ED8CEB0Cÿ†63

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 8CEB0Cÿ†6342DRB40ED88CA8Eÿ†63

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 88CA8Eÿ†63747RB406CA4B44Yÿ†63

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: A4B44Yÿ†63847RB406CA4B22Vÿ

   Subsystem 8 - Serial number: A4B22Vÿ

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8P0-953-549.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 953 549 K    HW: 8P0 953 549 K
   Component: J0527           H38 0070  
   Coding: 0004041
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 46D5570434A4F0B7B05-8012

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           H06 0030

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8J0-920-xxx-17-MY8.clb
   Part No SW: 8J0 920 991     HW: 8J0 920 991 
   Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H04 0780  
   Revision: D0H04005    Serial number: 2248L005000237
   Coding: 0117288
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 70B9D1DC66A00E073A9-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 S    HW: 7N0 907 530 J
   Component: J533  Gateway H43 1632  
   Revision:   H43       Serial number: 280812F2001796
   Coding: 354100
   Shop #: WSC 01236 758 00200
   VCID: 40D9411C1A80DE878A9-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: 0AY-907-554-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 2K0 907 554 D    HW: 2K0 907 554 D
   Component: Haldex 4Motion      5010  
   Coding: 0000005
   Shop #: WSC 58788 000 1048576
   VCID: 2F3B12A0BB1E51FF633-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 8J0 920 991     HW: 8J0 920 991 
   Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H04 0780  
   Revision: D0H04005    Serial number: AUX7Z0L8FN502H
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 70B9D1DC66A00E073A9-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (R199)       Labels:. 8T0-035-785.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 035 785     HW: 8P0 035 785 
   Component: SG ext.Player H08 0100  
   Revision: 00000000    
   Coding: 020302
   Shop #: WSC 01236 758 00200
   VCID: 74B1DDCC1EB83227DE1-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation        Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.clb
   Part No SW: 8J0 035 193 F    HW: 8J0 035 193 F
   Component: RNS-E PU US     H07 0230  
   Revision: 0000014S    Serial number: AUZBZ7MD801536
   Coding: 0619645
   Shop #: WSC 09223 444 84432
   VCID: 2D0708A8B11223EF51F-8078

1 Fault Found:
02444 - Disk Drive Load / Eject Malfunction 
            000 - - - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 149
                    Mileage: 131841 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.10.02
                    Time: 14:44:42


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 8P0-959-801-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J8 959 801 J    HW: 8J8 959 801 J
   Component: Tuer-SG         004 0102  
   Coding: 0001149
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 44D14D0C0298C2A7AE1-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 8J0 909 144 P
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 239    3305  
   Revision: 00H22000    
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 3D2738E86172B36FE1F-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 8J0-035-223.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 035 223 D    HW: 8J0 035 223 D
   Component: J525 Amp High   H04 0160  
   Revision: PROD_01     Serial number: 00000000040914
   Coding: 0246316
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 2517F088E9E21BAF99F-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 4C: Tire Pressure II        Labels: 8J0-907-274.lbl
   Part No SW: 8J0 907 274 C    HW: 4F0 907 274 
   Component: J793  RKA+      H04 0190  
   Revision: 00000518    Serial number: 00005180189409
   Coding: 0604600
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 323D1BD4A82C7C170CD-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 8J8 959 802 J    HW: 8J8 959 802 J
   Component: Tuer-SG         004 0102  
   Coding: 0001148
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 45D7500809A2FBAFB9F-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 357 B    HW: 4L0 907 357 B
   Component: AFS 1           H01 0010  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000025
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 2B0306B08F062DDF4FB-807E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E0 941 329 A
   Component: AFS-Modul links H05 0030

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E0 941 329 A
   Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH05 0030

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.clb
   Part No SW: 8J0 035 193 F    HW: 8J0 035 193 F
   Component: RNS-E PU US     H07 0230  
   Revision: 0000014S    Serial number: AUZBZ7MD801536
   Coding: 0619645
   Shop #: WSC 09223 444 84432
   VCID: 2D0708A8B11223EF51F-8078

1 Fault Found:
02444 - Disk Drive Load / Eject Malfunction 
            000 - - - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 149
                    Mileage: 131841 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.10.02
                    Time: 14:44:42


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Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels:. 1K0-907-534.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 534     HW: 7N0 907 530 J
   Component: Batt.regelung H43 1632  
   Serial number: 280812F2001796
   Coding: F324115A
   Shop #: WSC 01236 758 00200
   VCID: 71BFD4D861AA070F357-8024

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8X0 915 181     HW: 8X0 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0141 
   Serial number: 00000000003790053273

1 Fault Found:
02256 - Quiescent Current 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00110001
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 10
                    Reset counter: 178
                    Mileage: 131235 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.07
                    Time: 15:13:23


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Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P1 862 336 A    HW: 8P1 862 336 
   Component: FSE_256x BT     H44 0660  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005174600
   Coding: 0011477
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 363527C444446037205-8062

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 01:45, VBatt start/end: 11.4V/11.4V. VIgn 11.3V)-----
I checked similar label files for cars that use G83 and all of your MVBs are blank in positions where that data would have been located. I didn't check the SSP or parts catalog (since Peter already did earlier) but I agree with him, it doesn't look like G83 is installed. I realize P0118/000280 - Engine Coolant Temp. Sensor (G62) - Signal too High was cause by unplugging G62 however the FF data related to P2181/008577 - Performance Malfunction in Cooling System looks like a Thermostat that's opening too early (74.0°C):
008577 - Performance Malfunction in Cooling System P2181 - 008 - - MIL ON Freeze Frame: RPM: 2188 /min Load: 14.5 % Speed: 93.0 km/h Temperature: 74.0°C​
As long as G62 specific faults are not returning I would replace the thermostat.
 
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Right, as Peter wrote in #2.
When the temperature at engine start, is between -7 to +60 °C, there is calculated an summation of air mass.
After a certain air mass limit, the temperature must be +80°C, if not DTC P2181 is set!
It looks like that at the air mass limit, the temperature was only +74°C
 
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I am in agreement with you both on this, I had a little time to drive and monitor today.
G62 started at 21c and slowly climbed into the low 80's, however it never got to over 90c until sat in the driveway after running around town.
Oddly today the temp gauge was working and you could see it was not exactly in the center until G62 was showing 90c
It's booked into my Euro specialist later this week.
 
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Just to follow up and close the case.
The 2013 TT-RS does not have a separate G83 sensor, all the work is done by G62 only.
Even more interesting is this is only a 2 pin sensor, not a multi sensor unit as found on some other VAG.

Anyway, in my case a new thermostat appears to have solved the problem....even though I still don't believe the car could have run stone cold only sometimes with a knackered thermostat.
Gotta love the Audi gods.
 
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Not so fast....
Bloody thing is at it again but at least this time I am better informed as to measuring blocks to look at.
So the engine temp sensor G62 was showing a nice 97 degrees and the instrument cluster a big fat 0 degrees.
I did a needle sweep just for sheets and giggles and they all work fine.
Looking at the schematics, I cannot figure out how/where the engine control module J623 talks to the instrument panel J285.
If it was over canbus surely many things would be buggered ?
 
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Not so fast....
Bloody thing is at it again but at least this time I am better informed as to measuring blocks to look at.
So the engine temp sensor G62 was showing a nice 97 degrees and the instrument cluster a big fat 0 degrees.
I did a needle sweep just for sheets and giggles and they all work fine.
Looking at the schematics, I cannot figure out how/where the engine control module J623 talks to the instrument panel J285.
If it was over canbus surely many things would be buggered ?

Did you while engine running, disconnect the CAN twisted set to ECU or gateway too see?
 
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I did not Jack, is that a safe thing to do ?
Is there a convenient place to do this ?
 
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I did not Jack, is that a safe thing to do ?
Is there a convenient place to do this ?


Are not tests to be performed in safe closed supervised environments, using good engineering judgement & with aid of RTFB/WD?

I guess I'm a bit of a gambler!
 
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So am I Jack, I bought an Audi !!! Last one I had was a 200 when you could stick a big bolt into the wastegate valve and add a resistor to the ECU to half the boost pressure sensor signal. Now that was fun.

Edit to add this link, easy to understand introduction to CANBUS - https://marco.guardigli.it/2010/10/hacking-your-car.html
 
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