2005 Audi S4 Cabrio Weird Cam timing/No Codes though!!

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Hi, I have a situation involving cam timings in VCDS. I redid the timing on a 05 Audi S4 4.2L with all new chains, guides and tensioners and checked mechanical cam gears also which was good. The issue is that the car runs great and idles great also. When i would read blocks 091, 092 and 093 (also included what the values are down below) they would show that its out of time. When I finished the timing, I rotated the engine a few times to make sure all was still in time and it was. Since the engine was ran, I pulled valve covers and put back on TDC with locking pin and still the timing is spot on.

I'm at a loss right because the car runs great though have not driven it yet as I'm to afraid i might mess something up. It revs great, no hesitation or anything of that nature.

What could be the cause. It is a cabriolet S4 and had water on the inside on driver side floor boards from previous owner. I replace the CCM with a correct one because they had one from a sedan. Ive replaced all relays and fuses under the ECU cover and cleaned all connections. I have not looked inside the ECU yet to see if water had got in but did disconnect one of the plugs to it to see if any corrosion was there but looks clean and brand new still.

No hesitation in starting. No chain rattle either when starting. Starts in one to two seconds every time no mater warm or cold.

Possible bad: ECU?
Cam Solenoids?
Cam Sensors?
Wiring?

Thanks for anyone helping me with this.



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Friday,17,January,2020,09:01:00:17487
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
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VIN: WUARL48H75K902515   License Plate: 
Mileage: 258400km-160562mi   Repair Order: 


Chassis Type: 8H (8H - Audi Cabrio B6/B7 (2003 > 2009))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 26 36 37 45 46 55 56 57
          63 65 67 73 75 76 77
 
VIN: WUARL48H75K902515   Mileage: 258400km-160562miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 079-910-560-BBK.lbl
   Part No SW: 8H0 910 560 L    HW: 8E0 907 560 
   Component: 4.2L V8/5V      G   0010  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUX6Z0D0436770
   Coding: 0007774
   Shop #: WSC 00672 785 00200
   VCID: 312A3484A96D15C718-5160

2 Faults Found:
17841 - Secondary Air Pump Relay (J299) 
            P1433 - 004 - Open Circuit - MIL ON
17979 - Left Engine Mount Solenoid Valve (N144) 
            P1571 - 001 - Short to Plus - Intermittent
Readiness: 0110 1101

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09L-927-760.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 910 156 R    HW: 09L 927 156 
   Component: AG6 09L 4,2 MPI USA 0070  
   Revision: --H01---    Serial number:        0093859
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 91590 999 53521
   VCID: 352200945D0539E744-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-614-517.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 614 517 Q
   Component: ABS/ESP allrad      4533  
   Coding: 04597
   Shop #: WSC 00672  
   VCID: 36200798100332FF4D-51A8

1 Fault Found:
01826 - Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            35-00 - -

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 820 043 AM
   Component:   A4 Klimaautomat   2731  
   Coding: 00100
   Shop #: WSC 00672  
   VCID: 6C94E5F01ECFB82F6B-5118

1 Fault Found:
00819 - High Pressure Sensor (G65) 
            07-00 - Signal too Low

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 907 279 F
   Component: int. Lastmodul  USA 0517  
   Coding: 01013
   Shop #: WSC 91590  
   VCID: 352200940D0539E744-4B00

5 Faults Found:
01494 - Bulb for Parking Lamps; Left (M1) 
            57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
01495 - Bulb for High-Beams; Left (M30) 
            57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
01496 - Bulb for Fog-Lamps; Left (L22) 
            57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
01500 - Bulb for Fog-Lamps; Right (L23) 
            57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
01493 - Bulb for Blinkers; Front Left (M5) 
            57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure

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Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-XM.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 E    HW:             
   Component: SDAR XM              
   Revision:             Serial number: AUZ4Z7D2021102
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2B1626EC88417F1722-5160

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 - -

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8H0-959-655-84.lbl
   Part No: 8H0 959 655 D
   Component: Airbag 8.4EC        0015  
   Coding: 0010105
   Shop #: WSC 00672 785 00200
   VCID: 3B3616AC7B21EF97B2-5160

1 Fault Found:
01218 - Side Airbag Igniter; Passenger Side (N200) 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - MIL ON

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 953 549 N
   Component: Lenksáulenmodul     0611  
   Coding: 01141
   Shop #: WSC 00672  
   VCID: 3E301FB83833FABF95-4B00

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
   Part No SW: 8H0 920 980 S    HW: 8H0 920 980 S
   Component: KOMBI+WFS 3     H12 0020  
   Revision: 0020        Serial number: AUX6Z0D0436770
   Coding: 0001331
   Shop #: WSC 02133 444 59273
   VCID: 3FCE62BC6F39F3B79E-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
   Part No SW: 8H0 920 980 S    HW: 8H0 920 980 S
   Component: KOMBI+WFS 3     H12 0020  
   Revision: 0020        Serial number: AUX6Z0D0436770
   Coding: 0001331
   Shop #: WSC 02133 444 59273
   VCID: 3FCE62BC6F39F3B79E-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 26: Auto Roof        Labels: 8H0-959-255.lbl
   Part No: 8H0 959 255 
   Component:  VSG  B6 CABRIO     689  
   Shop #: WSC 00672 785 00200
   VCID: 73A6FE8C13F167D7AA-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: None
   Part No: 8H0 959 760 
   Component: Sitzmemory EE H06   0010  
   Coding: 00002
   Shop #: WSC 00065  
   VCID: 74A4FD9045FF60EFB3-4B1E

1 Fault Found:
02010 - Left Entry Assistance Control Module (J572) 
            79-00 - Please Check Fault Codes

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Address 37: Navigation        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8H0 035 192 B    HW: 8H0 035 192 B
   Component: RNS-E US        H52 0260  
   Revision:      02S    Serial number: AUZBZ7E1700198
   Coding: 0419133
   Shop #: WSC 00672 785 00200
   VCID: 2600D7D893A3427FFD-5160

1 Fault Found:
00858 - Connection; Radio Intermediate Frequency (IF) Output to Antenna Amplifier 
            007 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100111
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 205
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2004.06.22
                    Time: 00:30:53

             Freeze Frame:
                    Mileage: 655350 km
                    Count: 2206
                    Clock: 01:32


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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No: 8H0 959 433 L
   Component: Komfortgerát T7B    5542  
   Coding: 07738
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 3D3218B43535E1A78C-4B00

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8H1959801B
   Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 3020  

   Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 3020  

4 Faults Found:
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
            29-00 - Short to Ground
01366 - Opened Due to Crash Signal 
            35-00 - -
01559 - Drivers Door 
            61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01560 - Passenger Door 
            61-00 - Won't De-Safe

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4Z7-907-357.lbl
   Part No: 4Z7 907 357 
   Component: dynamische LWR       D09  
   Coding: 00070
   Shop #: WSC 00672  
   VCID: 0444AD50155F506F83-4B3C

1 Fault Found:
01534 - Control Circuit for Left Headlight Range Adjusting Motor (V48) 
            30-00 - Open or Short to Plus

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.clb
   Part No SW: 8H0 035 192 B    HW: 8H0 035 192 B
   Component: RNS-E US        H52 0260  
   Revision:      02S    Serial number: AUZBZ7E1700198
   Coding: 0419133
   Shop #: WSC 00672 785 00200
   VCID: 2600D7D893A3427FFD-5160

1 Fault Found:
00858 - Connection; Radio Intermediate Frequency (IF) Output to Antenna Amplifier 
            007 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100111
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 205
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2004.06.22
                    Time: 00:30:53

             Freeze Frame:
                    Mileage: 655350 km
                    Count: 2206
                    Clock: 01:32


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Address 63: Entry Assist,D        Labels: None
   Part No: 8H0 959 760 A
   Component: EasyEntry F M H13   0010  
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 00065  
   VCID: 352200940E0539E744-4B1E

1 Fault Found:
02013 - Switch for Seatback Latch; Drivers Seat (F211) 
            27-00 - Implausible Signal

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Address 73: Entry Assist, P        Labels: None
   Part No: 8H0 959 760 A
   Component: EasyEntry BF  H13   0010  
   Coding: 00005
   Shop #: WSC 00065  
   VCID: 352200940E0539E744-4B1E

1 Fault Found:
02010 - Left Entry Assistance Control Module (J572) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

End----------(Elapsed Time: 05:12, VBatt start/end: 13.7V/13.8V)-----------

Code:
Friday,17,January,2020,08:43:39:17487
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WUARL48H75K902515   License Plate: 



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                Address 01: Engine  (8H0 910 560 L)

08:43:18 Group 091: Camshaft Adjustment (Bank 1 Intake)
  720 /min  Engine Speed (G28)
  47.5 %  Cam. Adjustment Intake Bank 1
  12.0°KW  Cam. Adjustment Intake B1 (spec.)
  10.5°KW  Cam. Adjustment Intake B1 (act.)

08:43:18 Group 092: Camshaft Adjustment (Bank 2 Intake)
  720 /min  Engine Speed (G28)
  47.5 %  Cam. Adjustment Intake Bank 2
  12.0°KW  Cam. Adjustment Intake B2 (spec.)
  10.5°KW  Cam. Adjustment Intake B2 (act.)

08:43:18 Group 093: Camshaft Adjustment Adaptation
  -5.0°KW  Phase Position Bank 1 Intake
  -9.0°KW  Phase Position Bank 2 Intake
 
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So just an update. So I went to check my 06 A6 if it shows anything with just the ignition on and all block 091,092-093 are all zero but when I look at the same blocks on my 05 S4 it show me in block 093 is not zero but -5kw and -10kw. Also block 091 and 092 shows that the duty cycle % is 5.1 on both blocks already which should be zero until you start it.

So might be a ECU problem. I'm looking into how to check to see if bad. I have it apart already and there is no corrosion at all.

Unless someone else might know what else it could be. Thanks
 
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So just an update. So I went to check my 06 A6 if it shows anything with just the ignition on and all block 091,092-093 are all zero but when I look at the same blocks on my 05 S4 it show me in block 093 is not zero but -5kw and -10kw. Also block 091 and 092 shows that the duty cycle % is 5.1 on both blocks already which should be zero until you start it.

So might be a ECU problem. I'm looking into how to check to see if bad. I have it apart already and there is no corrosion at all.
Assuming your 05 A6 is a 3.2 V6, those are very different ECUs and engine management systems (Bosch vs. Siemens). So I would not put much credence to difference like that, especially when observed in a static condition (engine not running).

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Assuming your 05 A6 is a 3.2 V6, those are very different ECUs and engine management systems (Bosch vs. Siemens). So I would not put much credence to difference like that, especially when observed in a static condition (engine not running).

-Uwe-

That does make some sense. I also have a 06 Audi A3 I could check that also or find someone with a 05 S4 and see if they match mine or has all zeros. Ill keep digging around and see what I can find. Thanks
 
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That does make some sense. I also have a 06 Audi A3 I could check
I believe that's Bosch, but it's an FSI engine with a newer generation of ECU than your port-injected S4 has.

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Okay I believe it is too. Ill just take a look and see what number that provides. I used to have a 04 Allroad with 4.2L but dont have any readings from that anymore.
 
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So an update to my issue. Took the car on a drive and runs great, no hesitation, no misfires or check engine light besides the secondary air injection code only because relay is not plugged in. Weird thing is when i clear the ECM codes and go to check block 093, the timing has changed. Bank 1 was originally -6.0 and changed to -2.0. Bank 2 went from -10.0 to -8.0. Every time i clear the codes in the ECM block 093 changes. It will do it every time i clear the codes. You would think that with a -10 cam adaptation would throw a code but it doesn't. Still trying to figure it out. Might be a bad ECM already replaced the cam sensors both sides but no change.
 
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So an update to my issue. Took the car on a drive and runs great, no hesitation, no misfires or check engine light besides the secondary air injection code only because relay is not plugged in. Weird thing is when i clear the ECM codes and go to check block 093, the timing has changed. Bank 1 was originally -6.0 and changed to -2.0. Bank 2 went from -10.0 to -8.0. Every time i clear the codes in the ECM block 093 changes. It will do it every time i clear the codes. You would think that with a -10 cam adaptation would throw a code but it doesn't. Still trying to figure it out. Might be a bad ECM already replaced the cam sensors both sides but no change.


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