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    Me thinks the ECM is toast!

    Backstory---

    VW GTI 2.8L AFP. Multiple owners, son has owned for almost five years. Has had head gasket replacement twice now. Once when we bought it (known issue), and again when he had electrical issues (ignition coil) when in California (wish I was close enough to help). Sent to reputable VW shop while he was deployed. They had hard time finding the issue and suspected ECM. Problem seemed to disappear.

    Present problem---

    Engine cut off on him after coming off highway. Will not restart. I suspect the ECM is finally done. I will check compression. Cranks just fine.


    Code:
    Sunday,29,December,2019,13:21:39:46074
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)
    Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN:    License Plate: UNF-5559
    Mileage: 295210km-183434mi   Repair Order: Liam
    
    
    
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    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 1J - VW Golf/Bora IV (1998 > 2006)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
              76
     
       Mileage: 295210km-183434miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ASR.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 907 379 D
       Component: ASR FRONT MK60      0103  
       Coding: 0021505
       Shop #: WSC 00001 785 00200
       VCID: 2B5527D589B6CA1722-5140
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    01314 - Engine Control Module 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
       Part No: 3B1 907 044 C
       Component: CLIMATRONIC     C 0.7.0  
       Coding: 01000
       Shop #: WSC 00001  
       VCID: 2149C5FDAB7A104788-524C
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00792 - A/C Pressure Switch (F129) 
                35-00 - -
    00603 - Footwell/defroster Flap Positioning Motor (V85) 
                37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
       Part No: 6Q0 909 605 F
       Component: 07 AIRBAG VW6  0202 0004  
       Coding: 12343
       Shop #: WSC 00001  
       VCID: 3A7B129126EC639FA9-5140
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
                07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1J0-907-487-A.lbl
       Part No: 1J0 907 487 B
       Component: Lenkradelektronik   0001  
       Coding: 00008
       Shop #: WSC 00001  
       VCID: 306F30B9F090A9CF17-51D4
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
       Part No: 1J0 920 925 D
       Component: A4-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V09   
       Coding: 07232
       Shop #: WSC 00001  
       VCID: 2A5B22D1D64CD31FD9-5140
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: IMMO
       Component: IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0Y2950297         
       IMMO-IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0Y2950297       
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01314 - Engine Control Module 
                49-00 - No Communications
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
       Coding: 00006
       Shop #: WSC 00001  
       VCID: 70EFF0B93010E9CF57-5140
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01314 - Engine Control Module 
                49-00 - No Communications
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
       Part No: 1J0 959 799 AJ
       Component: 62 Zentral-SG Komf. 0001  
       Coding: 00256
       Shop #: WSC 00001  
       VCID: 0603B6612294D77F9D-4B00
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1J1959801C
       Component: 62 Tőrsteuerger. FS0002r  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1J1959802D
       Component: 62 Tőrsteuerger. BF0002r  
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00953 - Interior Light Time limit 
                25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 06:05)--------------------------

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    Deployed still active?

    Send it to me after you confirm it is dead okay?

    Did you verify power and grounds at ECU and why it failed?

    JPPSG yet?

    What is your sons MOS?

    VIN #?

    Pictures of ECU disassembled for visual inspection of damage please?
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    The ECU is clearly off-line. Check engine light doesn't light up with key on the on position, right?

    But I agree with Jack; check powers and grounds to ECU first before condemning it.

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Deployed still active?

    Send it to me after you confirm it is dead okay?

    Did you verify power and grounds at ECU and why it failed?

    JPPSG yet?

    What is your sons MOS?

    VIN #?

    Pictures of ECU disassembled for visual inspection of damage please?
    VIN 9BWPG61J614045108

    JPPSG Now Posted before to start conversation.

    Testing power and grounds at ECU as we speak.

    Sons MOS 0621 Radio Man or now Communications Transmissions Operator

    My MOS 2891 Ground Electronics Maintenance Chief

    We are both still active! (for a few more months til I retire)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruceleroy View Post
    My MOS 2891 Ground Electronics Maintenance Chief
    I guess it's safe to assume you know your way around a multimeter then.

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    I order you "Hand cranker's" to send me the ECU via contact form in my signature & for observation, repair or data transfer and you pay freight and donation of what you think is fair.

    Send PM for authentication & triangulation.

    OUT!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxWyGIuREtU


    Vehicle Identification No. 9BWPG61J614045108
    Model Golf VR6
    GOB
    Date of production 29.01.2001
    Model year 2001
    Sales type 9B16U4
    Engine Code AFP
    Transmission Code EHC
    Last edited by Jack@European_Parts; 12-29-2019 at 04:14 PM.
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    Update.

    No aftermarket, except radio and running 225 45 ZR17 on Corsca wheels.

    Found 15 amp fuse broken in fuse 29 on side fuse panel on drivers side.

    Replaced. Vehicles starts and runs.

    Took another scan and am curious why ECM is intermittent, and focus on repairing problems such as radiator fans on constantly from moment key is turned to 10 minutes after shut off.


    Code:
    Sunday,29,December,2019,17:05:20:46074
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)
    Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    Mileage: 295210km-183434mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 1J - VW Golf/Bora IV (1998 > 2006)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
              76
     
       Mileage: 295210km-183434miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 021-906-018-AFP.lbl
       Part No: 021 906 018 R
       Component:  MOTRONIC ME7.1 G   0003  
       Coding: 00031
       Shop #: WSC 24576  
       VCID: 1D31F90D970234A7AC-515E
    
    1 Fault Found:
    16804 - Catalyst System; Bank 1 
                P0420 - 35-10 - Efficiency Below Threshold - Intermittent
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ASR.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 907 379 D
       Component: ASR FRONT MK60      0103  
       Coding: 0021505
       Shop #: WSC 00001 785 00200
       VCID: 2B5527D589B6CA1722-5140
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    01314 - Engine Control Module 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
       Part No: 3B1 907 044 C
       Component: CLIMATRONIC     C 0.7.0  
       Coding: 01000
       Shop #: WSC 00001  
       VCID: 2149C5FDAB7A104788-524C
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00792 - A/C Pressure Switch (F129) 
                35-00 - -
    00603 - Footwell/defroster Flap Positioning Motor (V85) 
                37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
       Part No: 6Q0 909 605 F
       Component: 07 AIRBAG VW6  0202 0004  
       Coding: 12343
       Shop #: WSC 00001  
       VCID: 3A7B129126EC639FA9-5140
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
                07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1J0-907-487-A.lbl
       Part No: 1J0 907 487 B
       Component: Lenkradelektronik   0001  
       Coding: 00008
       Shop #: WSC 00001  
       VCID: 306F30B9F090A9CF17-51D4
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
       Part No: 1J0 920 925 D
       Component: A4-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V09   
       Coding: 07232
       Shop #: WSC 00001  
       VCID: 2A5B22D1D64CD31FD9-5140
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: IMMO
       Component: IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0Y2950297         
       IMMO-IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0Y2950297       
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01314 - Engine Control Module 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
       Coding: 00006
       Shop #: WSC 00001  
       VCID: 70EFF0B93010E9CF57-5140
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01314 - Engine Control Module 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
       Part No: 1J0 959 799 AJ
       Component: 62 Zentral-SG Komf. 0001  
       Coding: 00256
       Shop #: WSC 00001  
       VCID: 0603B6612294D77F9D-4B00
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1J1959801C
       Component: 62 Tőrsteuerger. FS0002r  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1J1959802D
       Component: 62 Tőrsteuerger. BF0002r  
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00953 - Interior Light Time limit 
                25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 05:13)--------------------------

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    Excellent!

    Why did fuse blow and did you know firmware is needed?
    Are ECT values and after run fan switch in failure or stuck static?
    What are status of each consumer with amperage draw monitored?

    Please reset faults and post a new scan and is FOD modified tuning present masking a stack entry?

    Since the CAT is in sporadic error, what are OXS oxygen sensors/heaters status?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Jack,

    You gonna make my agent orange act up. When I was in the fleet I used to hammer the communicators in my unit and subordinate units who failed to properly ground their equipment and complained their equipment wasn't working. Let alone my own maintenance community for failing to ensure proper bonding when repairing and returning equipment to a ready for use state. The value of a good grounding plane is underestimated. We have a much older TM in the Marine Corps, but the information is identical.

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