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    2007 7L V10 Touareg

    Originally vehicle wouldn't start when cold unless GP's warmed up for a long time and several times had to recharge system, so the journey of discovery began.

    -Replaced GlowPlugs and wiring ** still hard to cold-start (That was only $1600, yikes!)
    -Told by garage I could have a bad injector ** I decided that could wait, didn't want to spend another 2 grand just yet
    -bought VCDS, scanned and found Camshaft Position Sensor (G40) and a couple minor HVAC flap motors "No or incorrect Basic Setting"; however, I watched voltage of both batteries while starting and found 2yr old battery under seat was bad so I replaced it. (2yr old trunk battery still strong), ** car started fine now in cold... and I cleared all the codes

    Ahh, so I thought problem solved, right? well, Kinda...

    -A few days later, the car now decided to throw a flashing GP light, then check engine light and "Workshop" message so I scanned it again ** results below next paragraph

    This is what I know about the vehicle:
    -DPF delete done about 10,000 miles ago
    -Aftermarket GPS/Backup Camera/XM Stereo system put in about 15,000 miles ago
    -Address 16 (Steering/Wheel) makes VCDS hang or freeze, so I can't read that
    -What I believe is the problems below are generally all "intermittent" so that leads me to believe it is an electrical problem and could be related to radio or the DPF delete "reflash?".. if that is a thing?
    -I am just not sure where to start. This is my daughter's college ride and currently finances are tight, so I have zero desire to fix something that can go unfixed. On the same hand, I don't want systemic problems or safety reliability issues to go unaddressed. I do have thoughts, but will yield to wiser heads.

    Please help any any way.. Thanks in advance!

    Code:
    Saturday,21,December,2019,09:21:34:64971
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
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    Dealer/Shop Name: ProBowie Garage
    
    VIN: WVGPT77L17D010260   License Plate: 12-21-19-9AM-
    Mileage: 296270km-184093mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 7L (7LS - VW Touareg (7L Special skipping 16))
    Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 08 09 11 13 15 17 18 19 1C 22 29 32 34 36 37
              39 3C 46 47 55 56 57 64 65 68 69 6C 6D 6E 75 76 77
     
    VIN: WVGPT77L17D010260   Mileage: 296270km-184093miles
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    Address 01: Engine        Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 070 906 016 CQ    HW: 028 101 196 2
       Component: V10 5,0L EDCG000AGM™8472  
       Revision: --H02---    Serial number: VWZ3Z0F2502875
       Coding: 0060575
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
       VCID: 619FA20D7D5676BFA69-5160
    
    1 Fault Found:
    012295 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40) 
                   P3007 - 000 - No Signal
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 49
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 295838 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 588 /min
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Load: 0.0 %
                        Voltage: 13.22 V
                        Bin. Bits: 00001000
                        Idle Stabilization: 0.0∞KW
                        (no units): 48.0
    
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09D-927-750.clb
       Part No SW: 09D 927 750 DP    HW: 09D 927 750 DP
       Component: AL 750 6A           0856  
       Revision: 00H51000    Serial number:               
       Coding: 0004216
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
       VCID: 7F5B0475EBE2A04FB0D-5160
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00789 - Backup Switch (F41) 
                009 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7L0-907-379-MK25.lbl
       Part No: 7L0 907 379 G
       Component: ESP ALLRAD MK25     0203  
       Coding: 0022786
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
       VCID: 3D273E7DA16E725FE21-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: None
       Part No SW: 7L0 909 135 A    HW: 5WK 485 01
       Component:    Kessy            6700  
       Revision: 67006015    Serial number: VWZ3Z0F2502875
       Coding: 0000232
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
       VCID: 2F3B14357B0290CF60D-5160
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: ELV                 XXXX
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: None
       Part No: 7L6 907 044 T
       Component: CLIMAtronic 2+2     4222  
       Coding: 0020030
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
       VCID: 45D7569DC9BE3A9FBA1-5160
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 907 049 E
       Component: CLIMAtronic FOND    0400
    
    8 Faults Found:
    02599 - Rear Left Temperature Flap Motor (V313) 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
    02597 - Rear Left Upper Body Vent Motor (V315) 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
    00064 - Left B-pillar/Footwell Shut-Off Flap Motor (V212) 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
    00362 - Rear Left Air Flap Motor (V239) 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
    02600 - Rear Right Temperature Flap Motor (V314) 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
    02598 - Rear Right Upper Body Vent Motor (V316) 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
    00057 - Right B-pillar/Footwell Shut-Off Flap Motor (V211) 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
    00363 - Rear Right Air Flap Motor (V240) 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 7Lx-937-049-V1.clb
       Part No: 7L6 937 049 N
       Component:                     3002  
       Coding: 0110815
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
       VCID: 47CB5C95F3B2288F48D-5160
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00907 - Intervention load Management 
                000 - -
    01520 - Rain and Light Recognition Sensor (G397) 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    
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    Address 11: Engine II        Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 070 906 016 CQ    HW: 028 101 196 2
       Component: V10 5,0L EDCG000AGS™8472  
       Revision: --H02---    Serial number: VWZ3Z0F2502875
       Coding: 0060575
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
       VCID: 619FA20D7D5676BFA69-5184
    
    1 Fault Found:
    012547 - Motor for Intake Manifold Flap (V157) 
                   P3103 - 000 - Malfunction - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 4
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 295865 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 1344 /min
                        Speed: 79.7 km/h
                        Load: 23.5 %
                        Voltage: 13.38 V
                        Bin. Bits: 00001000
                        Torque: 655.7 Nm
                        Torque: 316.0 Nm
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 3D0-909-601.lbl
       Part No: 3D0 909 601 H
       Component: 05 Airbag 8.4E++H01 0562  
       Revision: BB38727     Serial number: 0008631;      
       Coding: 0012341
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
       VCID: 2809FF295EECC7F7A17-5160
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L0 959 339 C
       Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 006 0008
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01316 - ABS Control Module 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 3
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Time Indication: 0
    
    
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    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7L6-920-xxx-7LA.lbl
       Part No: 7L6 920 981 R
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT RB8 3211  
       Coding: 0007231
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
       VCID: 48C95FA9FEAC27F7417-5160
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01304 - Radio 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
    
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    Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: 7L6-819-008.clb
       Part No: 7L6 815 071 D
       Component: Standheizung E1MAC   
       Coding: 0000100
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
       VCID: 33331845972AB42F045-5160
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01126 - Engine Speed Signal 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<>CAN      0101  
       Coding: 0000006
       Shop #: WSC 09513 444 179350
       VCID: 70B9D749A6BCCF37397-5160
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01304 - Radio 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
    
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    Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 7L6-919-879.lbl
       Part No: 7L6 919 879 A
       Component: JCI PathPoint       2200  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 45D7569DC9BE3A9FBA1-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 22: AWD        Labels: None
       Part No: 0AD 927 755 AT
       Component: TRANSFERCASE        0114  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 0D47AEBDD14E82DFB21-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 32: Differential Locks        Labels: None
       Part No: 0AC 927 771 C
       Component: SG-Quersperre       5020  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 38292F698E4C5777317-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 34: Level Control        Labels: 7Lx-907-553-34.clb
       Part No: 7L0 907 553 H
       Component: LUFTFDR.-CDC- 3C3P1 3099  
       Coding: 0015521
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
       VCID: 38292F698E4C5777317-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: None
       Part No: 7L0 959 760 
       Component: Sitzverstellung     0702  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 77ABEC55C3D2980FF8D-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7L0-959-933.lbl
       Part No: 7L0 959 933 H
       Component: YM HSG              0400  
       Coding: 0000085
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
       VCID: 41DF428DDD9616BF869-4B00
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L0 959 701 G
       Component: Tuersteuergeraet FS 0201
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L0 959 702 G
       Component: Tuersteuergeraet BF 0201
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 7L0 959 703 C
       Component: Tuersteuergeraet HL 0201
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 7L0 959 704 C
       Component: Tuersteuergeraet HR 0201
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
                000 - -
    
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    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 7L6-907-357-A.lbl
       Part No SW: 7L6 907 357 C    HW: 7L6 907 357 C
       Component: AFS-Steuergeraet    0136  
       Revision: 00H04000    Serial number:               
       Coding: 2275458
       Shop #: WSC 58085 001 1048576
       VCID: 3B233065BF7A7C6FDC5-5160
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329   Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
       Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l    X018  
       Coding: 00000034
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 330 
       Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r    X018  
       Coding: 00000034
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02233 - Left Headlight Power Output Stage (J667) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 35
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Voltage: 11.36 V
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                            ABS 1
    
    
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    Address 68: Wiper Electr.        Labels: 7L0-955-119-V2.clb
       Part No: 7L0 955 119 K
       Component: Front Wiper         4027  
       Coding: 0000341
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 376832
       VCID: 3C213379BA747B57D5F-5160
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AB  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
       Component: RLS     071006 020  0105  
       Coding: 00208933
       Shop #: WSC 31414  
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 69: Trailer        Labels: 7L0-907-383-1D2.lbl
       Part No SW: 7L0 907 383 N    HW: 7L0 907 383 N
       Component: J345  Anhaenger     0080  
       Revision: 4A009002    Serial number: 00000130731365
       Coding: 0016386
       Shop #: WSC 00512 001 24584
       VCID: 3FDB4475AB62604FF0D-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 6D: Trunk Elect.        Labels: 7L6-959-107.clb
       Part No SW: 7L6 959 107 A    HW: 7L6 959 107 A
       Component: J605  HECKKLAPPE    1210  
       Revision: --H05---    Serial number: --------020253
       Coding: 0222110
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 392F2A6DB5464E7FCE9-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 6E: Ctrl Head Roof        Labels: None
       Part No: 7L6 919 044 T
       Component: DACHDISPLAY         0539  
       Revision: 00900539    Serial number: 2009289.07    
       Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
       VCID: 48C95FA9FEAC27F7417-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No: 7L0 919 283 F
       Component: 0E Einparkhilfe     1107  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 392F2A6DB5464E7FCE9-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 08:27, VBatt start/end: 13.2V/13.2V)-----------

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    Hello and welcome OP to the VCDS forum.....

    V10 TOW RIG but fiances are tight and with deletes, sorry I don't happen to feel bad for you at all?

    Do you think G40 or other codes you possibly don't see due to deletes are an issue, what about timing commencement or carbon not permitting air from flap error & into rich fuel environment during cold start?

    Time to RTFB and JPPSG + evaluate if this is a feasible car for a kid in school, huh?

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    If it were mine, I'd hunt down and fix the G40 problem. I don't think it has anything to do with the tune/flash or the radio.

    Quote Originally Posted by WVBowie View Post
    This is my daughter's college ride


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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    If it were mine, I'd hunt down and fix the G40 problem. I don't think it has anything to do with the tune/flash or the radio.
    Please don't think this in red above, okay Uwe, here is why?

    Did you know that "Tunes" indeed in V10 Tow-Rigs or other PD type engines, experience & have been known to cause a cold start problem widespread it seems & if the tuner adds fuel to all maps especially at crank start up & since it cools the chambers and diesel engines start from heat of compression hence the extended glow periods needed?

    Did you know a block heater or coolant circulation heat element will cure that too & only if plugged in?





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    Correct expression!


    OP do you have diesel fuel in oil for smell indication & possibly leaky injectors too & that would help or exacerbate this starting issue?

    Indeed fixing G40 and the intake flap are advised if in fault, did you check fuses and wires yet in WD and with DVOM?

    Vehicle Identification No. WVGPT77L17D010260
    Model Touareg
    TOUA
    Date of production 04.07.2006
    Model year 2007
    Sales type 7LAEX1
    Engine Code BWF
    Transmission Code HZX

    Emission standard 7GJ Emission standard TIER 2

    https://i.postimg.cc/5fshCJK9/g40-TOW-RIG.png?dl=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Hello and welcome OP to the VCDS forum.....

    V10 TOW RIG but fiances are tight and with deletes, sorry I don't happen to feel bad for you at all?

    Do you think G40 or other codes you possibly don't see due to deletes are an issue, what about timing commencement or carbon not permitting air from flap error & into rich fuel environment during cold start?

    Time to RTFB and JPPSG + evaluate if this is a feasible car for a kid in school, huh?

    Thanks for the welcome....

    I was basically given this vehicle by a family member so I have no choice for another option for my daughter. Everything on it was done by a prior owner. I'm just trying to keep it going for another couple of years.

    No problems starting now after the new under-seat battery. I have done a lot of forum searching both here and other forums and also talking to a local VW mechanic, G40 shouldn't be a big problem, but eventually like to find out reason for code. I plan on checking the carbon buildup on the flap as soon as I can, but the electrical issues are my biggest concern. They may likely be causing a short battery life?

    Thanks for your replies, I will try and check fuses and wires, but I don't have a WD and I don't know what DVOM is?

    I will post a solution when I figure it out... Thanks again

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    Thanks for the welcome....

    I was basically given this vehicle by a family member so I have no choice for another option for my daughter. Everything on it was done by a prior owner. I'm just trying to keep it going for another couple of years.

    No problems starting now after the new under-seat battery. I have done a lot of forum searching both here and other forums and also talking to a local VW mechanic, G40 shouldn't be a big problem, but eventually like to find out reason for code. I plan on checking the carbon buildup on the flap as soon as I can, but the electrical issues are my biggest concern. They may likely be causing a short battery life?

    Thanks for your replies, I will try and check fuses and wires, but I don't have a WD and I don't know what DVOM is?

    I will post a solution when I figure it out... Thanks again
    DVOM = Digital Volt Ohm Meter
    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...ir_Information
    HUH?
    https://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...l=1#post186896


    Ever consider that, that vehicle has a pretty good resale value for enthusiasts and would most likely pay for a much newer car maybe even under warranty that your daughter could drive, unless has sentimental value?

    Like a buy back TDI Jetta or Golf?
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    If suspecting a parasitic battery drain, I'd look at that aftermarket radio.

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    Couldn't OP wire radio to 12 volt terminal 15 and install a rechargeable 12 volt battery with diode to allow it to maintain radio memory and never discharge the vehicle battery using termination resistor on gateway to go sleepy times?
    Just another NostraJackASS dumb idea right?
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    Strangely on V10s, the throttle body code can cause the flashing GP light along with the CEL. Like most of these units, they can wear gears or a bushing for an arm internally that causes a discrepancy between how far the motor is moving to reach its end points vs. what the position sensor is reporting. Generally replacing the offending unit and clearing codes will fix that.

    Will definitely want to look into the cam position code as well. I don't have specs on what the resistance should be between pins. On the harness side, it would appear according to the diagram provided by Jack that power and ground to the sensor is provided by pins 2 and 3. The diagram does not make it obvious which is power and ground, and both appear to originate from the ECU. But if you were to probe pins 2 and 3 with the key on, you should get your voltage reference signal. Unsure on if it is 5.0V or 12V on this exact engine, though.

    Also, for whatever it's worth, only bank 1 has a cam sensor. Bank 1 being the right side/passenger side of the car.

    And now I'm just gonna post my appreciation of Jack's illustrations on the diagram, in particular the stargate/wormhole reference for continuation tracks. lol

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    Jack, Interesting idea about a rechargeable battery...

    Been a busy Christmas break for us. Daughter going back to school next week so I'm trying to find a warm garage to tear into the radio and inspect/clean Intake Flap first.

    I found a pile of documentation for the vehicle and looks like radio unit was put in early 2017... and a few months later the backup camera. Both front and rear batteries were replaced in Nov 2017... the underseat battery really only lasted a year because the starting problem began last year and then seemed fine over the summer so I didn't make the connection until this year when I looked into it.

    Who knows what kind of 'wiring' the kids at the radio store did? I'm guessing there was some "find a hot wire and splice it" kinda work. With the codes showing "intermittent" I'm leaning toward an intermittent grounding issue, but won't know until I check.

    I can tear motors apart and understand things quickly, but my background isn't electrical so I'm a like a kid walking around in a crowd of adults... a little confused, slightly scared and partially lost.

    Thanks everyone for the ideas/help. I will keep you all posted.

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