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    Audi A3 8L and new used instrument problem

    Hello!

    Audi A3 -02, 1,6l Gasoline engine.

    The old instrument panel does not work properly for all hands/displays. Problems appear cold.
    The car owner had purchased a instrument cluster from a car dismantler.
    Original and broken instrument cluster part number: 8L0920900L. New used instrument cluster part number: 8L0920900C.

    I tried to adapt the new used instrument, but the attempt fails to Determining IMMO-ID & VIN (Instrument Cluster) . The VCDS does not display the car's VIN.
    I have tried to do this by the end of vin code without views, but coding stops at this point the error message: VALUE SYSTEM NOT OK
    Code:
    [Adaptation - 10]
    Enter 050 in "Channel Number".
    [Read]
    For the following procedure, use the PIN of the OLD (ORIGINAL) instrument cluster.
    
        4-digit PIN
            Enter zero followed by the 4-digit PIN directly in the New Value field. For example, if your PIN is 1234, enter 01234.
    
    [Test]
    
        The values may change to "32000", this is normal
    
    [Save]
    [Done, Go Back]
    [Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
    
        Switch OFF the ignition and let the car sit for ~1 minute, then switch ON the ignition again.
        Verify that the REPLACEMENT (NEW or USED) instrument cluster now shows the VIN/IMMO-ID of the vehicle now.
    ORIGINAL INSTRUCTIONS
    Code:
    Determining IMMO-ID & VIN (ECU)
    
    [Select]
    [01 - Engine]
    Look at the first "Extra" field. The first 17-digit string is the VIN. The second 14-digit string in the Immo-ID.
    [Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
    
    ---OR---
    
    [Select]
    [01 - Engine]
    [Meas. Blocks - 08]
    Select Block 081.
    [Go!]
    The first 17-digit string is the VIN. The second 14-digit string in the Immo-ID..
    [Done, Go Back]
    [Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
    
    
    Determining IMMO-ID & VIN (Instrument Cluster)
    
    [Select]
    [17 - Instruments]
    Look at the first "Extra" field. The first 17-digit string is the VIN. The second 14-digit string in the Immo-ID.
    [Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
    
    ---OR---
    
    [Select]
    [17 - Instruments]
    [Meas. Blocks - 08]
    Select Block 081.
    [Go!]
    The first 17-digit string is the VIN. The second 14-digit string in the Immo-ID..
    [Done, Go Back]
    [Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
    
    
    Instrument Cluster Swapping
    
    Prerequisites:
    
        The new or used cluster is installed in the car.
        Battery voltage at least 12.0 V.
        All relevant coding and adaptation values have been transferred from the OLD (ORIGINAL) cluster to the REPLACEMENT (NEW or USED) cluster.
            Immo 3 Audi vehicles typically use adaptation channels 060, 061 and 062 for the internal installation list since they do not have address 19-CAN Gateway. If in question, run a complete Adaptation Control Module Map with the old module installed.
            Immo 3 VW vehicles typically use short coding in address 19-CAN Gateway. If the original value is 00006, which is common, recode the new unit to the same value to refresh the internal gateway installation list.
        Make sure to have BOTH PIN's, from the OLD (ORIGINAL) and the REPLACEMENT (NEW or USED) instrument cluster.
        Make sure to have the Radio Code (for factory radios only).
    
    
    [Select]
    [17 - Instruments]
    
    
    [Login - 11]
    For the following procedure, use the PIN of the REPLACEMENT (NEW or USED) instrument cluster.
    
        4-digit PIN
            Enter zero followed by the 4-digit PIN directly in the Login field. For example, if your PIN is 1234, enter 01234.
    
    [Do it!]
    
    
    [Adaptation - 10]
    Enter 050 in "Channel Number".
    [Read]
    For the following procedure, use the PIN of the OLD (ORIGINAL) instrument cluster.
    
        4-digit PIN
            Enter zero followed by the 4-digit PIN directly in the New Value field. For example, if your PIN is 1234, enter 01234.
    
    [Test]
    
        The values may change to "32000", this is normal
    
    [Save]
    [Done, Go Back]
    [Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
    
        Switch OFF the ignition and let the car sit for ~1 minute, then switch ON the ignition again.
        Verify that the REPLACEMENT (NEW or USED) instrument cluster now shows the VIN/IMMO-ID of the vehicle now.
    
    
        Proceed with Key Matching now.
    
        Enter the odometer reading (brand new clusters only) using these instructions from the Ross-Tech website 
    
    
    
    Special Notes
    
        Instructions for mileage entry on a new instrument cluster can be found here: Non-Immo Instrument Cluster Swapping
            Please note the Country Coding and Kilometer -or- Mile units prior to saving the adaptation value!
        If "Disabled" is shown in Adaptation Channel 050, the Instrument Cluster may have lock time. Check Measuring Blocks 022, 023 and 024.
    How we can continue to adapt to the new used instrument?

    - Can the fault be in the instrument cluster? upgrade from newer model to older model (L-> C)
    - The car has a Pioneer 2-Din media player. Can this cause the coding to fail?
    - I watched this tutorial video. At the beginning of the video are advised to go to 19 - CAN Gateway and copy data soft coding-section. We tried this too, but vcds can't connect to the 19-CAN Gateway. Is this necessary?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erNsVXzaeSI

    Auto-Scan with new used instrument cluster
    Code:
    Saturday,14,December,2019,18:27:52:00464
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Dealer/Shop Name: J.P
    
    Mileage: 311600km-193619mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8L - Audi A3/S3 (1997 > 2005)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 22 35 37 45 55 56 57 75 76
     
       Mileage: 311600km-193619miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-033-AVU.lbl
       Part No: 06A 906 033 J
       Component: SIMOS33 1,6l 2V 00HS3488  
       Coding: 00211
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 2615F68F61F7103793B-5184
       WAUZZZ8L821004596     AUZ5Z0A8064075
    
    4 Faults Found:
    17701 - Map Controlled Engine Cooling Thermostat (F265) 
                P1293 - 35-00 - Short to Plus
    17811 - EGR System 
                P1403 - 35-00 - Regulation Deviation
    18058 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                P1650 - 35-10 - Missing Message from Instrument Cluster - Intermittent
    17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer 
                P1570 - 35-00 - 
    Readiness: 0000 1000
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ESP-F.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 907 379 E
       Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0104  
       Coding: 0011266
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 2C0104A77A1B2A6745F-51A8
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No: 8L0 820 043 J
       Component: A3  KLIMAAUTOMAT   0105  
       Coding: 01040
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 2F3B13AB4E0D517F60D-259E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8L0-959-655-AI8.lbl
       Part No: 8L0 959 655 K
       Component: Airbag Front+Kopf  5008  
       Coding: 00304
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 46D5560FC1B7F037B3B-5184
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8L0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No: 8L0 920 900 C
       Component: AB-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D09   
       Coding: 08142
       Shop #: WSC 00222  
       VCID: 2B0307BB7A152D5F4C5-5184
    
       Component: AUZ7Z0X1277269  
       ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’     AUZ7Z0X1277269
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 35: Centr. Locks        Labels:. 8D0-862-257.clb
       Part No: 8D0 862 257 B
       Component: ZV-Pumpe, Funk      D16  
       Coding: 14913
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 2C0104A77F1B2A6745F-4F2E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 03:36, VBatt start/end: 12.5V/12.2V)-----------

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    Audi clusters of this vintage do not have a separately addressable CAN Gateway. Instead, they have some data resembling an installation list in Adaptation Channels 60-62, so you should probably get the values from those channels and save it for posterity.

    I really don't think the radio has anything to do with this.

    Do you have both PINs, the one for the car / original cluster, and the one for the replacement cluster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Do you have both PINs, the one for the car / original cluster, and the one for the replacement cluster?
    -Uwe-
    Yes, we have both the original instrument cluster pin-code and the new used instrument cluster pin-code too.

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    Progress report.

    We have tried with the same parts / tools as we did in recent writings.

    We have tried to remove the immobilizer VAG Immo Gold Edition, but the car's ECU does not recognize the tool. We've tried adjusting the dashboard to operate at high volts, as the guide said, but that didn't work either. I suspect instrument panel version C is incompatible with the ECU. The professional will try to disable the immobilizer. More will be reported as the matter progresses

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    Radio code is in cluster, different & unrelated..........

    Part FOD, Wait times not expired, with wait for channel open or Immobilizer status must be reset with authorized security access or external tool not approved by VAG!



    Vehicle Identification No. WAUZZZ8L821004596
    Model Audi A3 1,6
    A3
    Date of production 12.09.2001
    Model year 2002
    Sales type 8L1BA4
    Engine Code AVU
    Transmission Code DUU

    Emission standard 0GG Emission standard EU4


    PART NUMBER
    DESCRIPTION REMARK MODEL


    * 8L0 920 900 LX instrument cluster 260KM/H Otto engine
    Dropped: Aug 1, 2017 (EKZ: L)
    Vehicle intelligent genuine part.
    Order only with additional instructions.
    Super session

    PART NUMBER DESCRIPTION REMARK MODEL
    * 8L0 920 900 L instrument cluster
    Dropped on Jul 1, 2019, without replacement (EKZ: O)
    Vehicle intelligent genuine part.
    Order only with additional instructions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Radio code is in cluster, different & unrelated..........
    VagTacho show very easy that code, both clusters.

    Part FOD, Wait times not expired, with wait for channel open or Immobilizer status must be reset with authorized security access or external tool not approved by VAG!

    We waiting 2 weeks and try again, but no results

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    We waiting 2 weeks and try again, but no results
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    Quote Originally Posted by V3lmu View Post
    We waiting 2 weeks and try again, but no results
    You can wait 2 years -- if the ignition is off, lock-time will not decrease.

    I suggest checking MVB 024. I'm not 100% certain on this cluster, but probably like this:
    https://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/ca...ng-blocks.html

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    Situation Update

    Owner returned new used instrument (8L0920900C) and bought new used instrument (8L0920900L/Same as original)

    We were able to complete the instrument adjustment, but the data from the previous instrument did not transfer to the new used instrument.

    I checked the DTCs with both dashboards in place.

    OLD ORIGINAL
    Code:
    Saturday,07,March,2020,13:27:22:00464
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.2.2 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20200210 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Dealer/Shop Name: J.P - V3lmu
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ8L821004596   License Plate: 7.3.20
    Mileage: 284720km-176916mi   Repair Order: Vanha mittaristo
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8L (8L - Audi A3/S3 (1997 > 2005))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 22 35 37 45 55 56 57 75 76
     
    VIN: WAUZZZ8L821004596   Mileage: 284720km-176916miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-033-AVU.lbl
       Part No: 06A 906 033 J
       Component: SIMOS33 1,6l 2V 00HS3488  
       Coding: 00211
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 2615F68F61F71037939-5160
       WAUZZZ8L821004596     AUZ5Z0A8064075
    
    2 Faults Found:
    17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer 
                P1570 - 35-10 -  - Intermittent
    18058 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                P1650 - 35-10 - Missing Message from Instrument Cluster - Intermittent
    Readiness: 1010 0101
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ESP-F.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 907 379 E
       Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0104  
       Coding: 0011266
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 2C0104A77A1B2A6745D-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No: 8L0 820 043 J
       Component: A3  KLIMAAUTOMAT   0105  
       Coding: 01040
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 2F3B13AB4E0D517F60F-2596
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8L0-959-655-AI8.lbl
       Part No: 8L0 959 655 K
       Component: Airbag Front+Kopf  5008  
       Coding: 00304
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 46D5560FC1B7F037B39-5160
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01211 - Belt Tensioner Igniter; Rear Driver Side (N196) 
                32-10 - Resistance Too High - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8L0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No: 8L0 920 900 L
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 D02  
       Coding: 08142
       Shop #: WSC 45259  
       VCID: 34311CC7A72B72A71DD-4B1E
       WAUZZZ8L821004596     AUZ5Z0A8064075
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01039 - Coolant Temperature Sensor (G2) 
                29-00 - Short to Ground
    01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System 
                37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 35: Centr. Locks        Labels:. 8D0-862-257.clb
       Part No: 8D0 862 257 B
       Component: ZV-Pumpe, Funk      D16  
       Coding: 14913
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 2C0104A77F1B2A6745D-4F0C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----(Elapsed Time: 03:43, VBatt start/end: 11.9V/11.7V. VIgn 11.6V)-----
    NEW USED (SAME AS ORIGINAL)
    Code:
    Saturday,07,March,2020,13:36:00:00464
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.2.2 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20200210 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Dealer/Shop Name: J.P - V3lmu
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ8L43A052419   License Plate: 7.3.20
    Mileage: 239310km-148700mi   Repair Order: Uusi käytetty mittaristo
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8L (8L - Audi A3/S3 (1997 > 2005))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 22 35 37 45 55 56 57 75 76
     
    VIN: WAUZZZ8L43A052419   Mileage: 239310km-148700miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-033-AVU.lbl
       Part No: 06A 906 033 J
       Component: SIMOS33 1,6l 2V 00HS3488  
       Coding: 00211
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 2615F68F61F71037939-5160
       WAUZZZ8L821004596     AUZ5Z0A8064075
    
    2 Faults Found:
    17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer 
                P1570 - 35-00 - 
    18058 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                P1650 - 35-10 - Missing Message from Instrument Cluster - Intermittent
    Readiness: 1010 0101
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ESP-F.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 907 379 E
       Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0104  
       Coding: 0011266
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 2C0104A77A1B2A6745D-5184
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No: 8L0 820 043 J
       Component: A3  KLIMAAUTOMAT   0105  
       Coding: 01040
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 2F3B13AB4E0D517F60F-2596
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8L0-959-655-AI8.lbl
       Part No: 8L0 959 655 K
       Component: Airbag Front+Kopf  5008  
       Coding: 00304
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 46D5560FC1B7F037B39-5160
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01211 - Belt Tensioner Igniter; Rear Driver Side (N196) 
                32-10 - Resistance Too High - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8L0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No: 8L0 920 900 L
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 D07  
       Coding: 00044
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 34311CC7A72B72A71DD-4B1E
       WAUZZZ8L43A052419     AUZ5Z0B9218206
    
    3 Faults Found:
    01176 - Key 
                65-10 - Unauthorized - Intermittent
    01179 - Incorrect Key Programming 
                35-00 - -
    01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System 
                37-00 - Faulty
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 35: Centr. Locks        Labels:. 8D0-862-257.clb
       Part No: 8D0 862 257 B
       Component: ZV-Pumpe, Funk      D16  
       Coding: 14913
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 2C0104A77F1B2A6745D-4F0C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----(Elapsed Time: 03:45, VBatt start/end: 11.4V/11.5V. VIgn 11.4V)-----
    I found the same fault code between the old instrument panel and the new used instrument panel, even though they were reset during replacement.

    01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System
    37-00 - Faulty

    We checked here what this code means. http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/01336

    We checked the instrument connectors, the instrument wires and fuses, but everything was fine.

    What next?

    PS. We checked the lock-in time, but fortunately it showed 0.
    Last edited by Uwe; 03-07-2020 at 09:48 AM. Reason: QUOTE -> CODE

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    How did you qualify the wiring?

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