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    Mk 5 R32 Golf Steering angle G85 mechanical fault.

    Hi Guys, need a bit of help with this one.

    R32 Golf presented from the Panel shop after loosing a left front wheel.
    We replaced the damaged hub, headlight height sensor, brake rotor etc then it went for an alignment before we attempted to deal with the 778 G85 steering angle sensor mechanical fault code that was present.
    Vehicle drives well- steering wheel is straight.

    We have malfunctions in the ABS, CAN gateway and convenience modules.

    I have intermittent communication issues with this vehicle using my Autel and Autologic and it appears to be something to do with the audio coding. This vehicle is a Japanese import and its had a (likely Chinese replica) head unit fitted that works fine.

    We attempted to do a basic setting for the steering angle sensor but it was unsuccessful. We now also get codes for 778 G85 no or incorrect basic setting. When i look at group 60 it is empty or void and not available.

    We removed the steering wheel- marks on shaft and wheel align OK. Checked tie rod ends- 10mm exposed thread on the left and 17mm on the right- Not sure if this may be part of the issue?
    I tried another known good steering angle sensor and checked all the cutter windows for the optical sensor in the back of the clock spring but no problem was found.

    Autel and autologic were both unable to pick up a software code for the ABS module. But the VCDS does show a code.

    At this stage i think we either have a module issue (steering wheel module or brake module?) or the tie rod lenghts messing with it?

    Can any one shed some more light on this issue please.

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    Hi and welcome.

    Please post a complete Auto-Scan for context.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Code:
    Saturday,14,December,2019,11:56:05:20137
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ6W077336   License Plate: 
    
    
    Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 25 42 44 46 52 55 62 72
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ6W077336   Mileage: 131590km-81766miles
    
    00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 022-906-032-BDB.lbl
       Part No SW: 022 906 032 CE    HW: 000 000 000 00
       Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1.1G   6733  
       Revision: --H01---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0E2907931
       Coding: 0000178
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 50F97033C6E7D917197-8004
    
    1 Fault Found:
    004949 - Cylinder 1 Ignition Circuit 
                   P1355 - 004 - Open Circuit - Intermittent - MIL ON
    Readiness: 0110 1001
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
       Part No SW: 02E 300 047 F    HW: 02E 927 770 AE
       Component: GSG DSG         070 1121  
       Revision: 04507000    Serial number: 00000511171308
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 60310 981 60724
       VCID: 1B63D71FDFA12A4F3C5-804E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels:. 1K0-614-517-MK60AT.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 614 517 S    HW: 1K0 614 517 S
       Component: ESP 4MOTION MK60-AT 0102  
       Revision: 00T12001    
       Coding: 0004744
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 372B2BAF43496E2F38D-8062
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                003 - Mechanical Failure
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 907 044 BA
       Component: ClimatronicPQ35 066 0606  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 678BBBEF53693EAF68D-8032
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 E    HW: 3C0 937 049 E
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H37 1002  
       Revision: 00H37000    Serial number: 00000005136199
       Coding: E68F8F2700041800001400001400000000087B075C
       Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
       VCID: 2B0307DF8F01DACF4C5-807E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K2 955 119 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer VW350  013  0402  
       Coding: 00065493
       Shop #: WSC 01392  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 T  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
       Component: RegenLichtSens 011  1110  
       Coding: 00207646
       Shop #: WSC 01392  
    
    5 Faults Found:
    01493 - Bulb for Blinkers; Front Left (M5) 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 204
                        Mileage: 131582 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            ON
                        Voltage: 13.50 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    02394 - Parking Light Left Front (M1) 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 203
                        Mileage: 131582 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            ON
                        Voltage: 11.35 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
                            ON
    
    01495 - Bulb for High-Beams; Left (M30) 
                010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101010
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 203
                        Mileage: 131582 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            ON
                        Voltage: 13.65 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    00466 - Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 8
                        Reset counter: 206
                        Mileage: 131596 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            OFF
                        Voltage: 12.00 V
                            OFF
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 
                002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100010
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 189
                        Mileage: 130371 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            ON
                        Voltage: 8.25 V
                            OFF
                            ON
                            ON
                            ON
                            OFF
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 P    HW: 1K0 909 605 P
       Component: 5E AIRBAG VW8R  032 6800  
       Revision: 02032000    Serial number: 0038FD029CYA  
       Coding: 0013637
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: 392F2D97755D785FCE9-806C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME0C224E34C
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME0C173A1FL
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME0672122FC
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME04343B7FP
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00588 - Airbag Igniter; Driver Side (N95) 
                001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - MIL ON
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AG    HW: 1K0 953 549 AG
       Component: J0527           634 0070  
       Coding: 0012122
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 77ABEBAF03C9AE2FF8D-8022
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01426 - Controls in Steering Wheel (E221) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No: 1K6 920 862 F
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 4316  
       Coding: 0007503
       Shop #: WSC 52167 001 1048576
       VCID: 33331FBF5731820F045-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 F    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: Gateway         H10 0120  
       Revision:   H10       Serial number: 2800105A150DE9
       Coding: FF3F0300070003
       Shop #: WSC 33408 210 01865
       VCID: 2A0D02DB80FBC3C7B73-807E
    
    3 Faults Found:
    01305 - Databus for Infotainment 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 206
                        Mileage: 131596 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 03:47:19
    
    01304 - Radio 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 206
                        Mileage: 131596 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 03:47:23
    
    01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
                000 - - - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 206
                        Mileage: 131597 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 04:50:34
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 22: AWD        Labels: 1K0-907-554.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 907 554 B
       Component: HALDEX 4Motion      0107  
       Coding: 0000001
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2C0104C38A0FDDF745F-8078
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No: 1K6 920 862 F
       Component: IMMO            VDD 4316  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 33331FBF5731820F045-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX2.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 959 701 L
       Component: Tuer-SG         024 2468  
       Coding: 0000694
       Shop #: WSC 60310 981 91232
       VCID: 372B2BAF43496E2F38D-8062
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
       Part No: 1K2 909 144 L
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.141 H07 1806  
       Shop #: WSC 60310 981 60724
       VCID: 353721A759459C3F2A1-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: None
       Part No: 1K0 959 433 CQ
       Component:    KSG              0401  
       Coding: 81C802087F2D8405485FC6F010CC
       Shop #: WSC 60310 981 91232
       VCID: 015F85775D0DE09FC69-8054
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 907 719 C
       Component: Neigungssensor  005 0003
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 177 A
       Component: Innenraumueberw.005 0202
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00466 - Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX2.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 959 702 L
       Component: Tuer-SG         024 2468  
       Coding: 0000694
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 382928934E576157317-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
       Part No: 1T0 907 357 
       Component: Dynamische LWR      0003  
       Coding: 0000004
       Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
       VCID: 74B1DCA312BFC537DDF-8020
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN2.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 959 703 F
       Component: Tuer-SG         021 2429  
       Coding: 0000144
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 33331FBF5731820F045-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN2.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 959 704 F
       Component: Tuer-SG         021 2429  
       Coding: 0000144
       Shop #: WSC 60310 981 91232
       VCID: 34311CA3523F85371DF-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----(Elapsed Time: 01:08, VBatt start/end: 12.2V/12.0V. VIgn 12.0V)-----


    Ignore the steering wheel fault as i have the air bag out currently.
    Last edited by Uwe; 12-13-2019 at 06:57 PM. Reason: CODE tags

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernAuto View Post
    Ignore the steering wheel fault as i have the air bag out currently.
    Wait, isn't the steering angle sensor right there with that on this car?

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Its in behind the clock spring above the steering wheel module. Currently i have the air bag itself out as i went back and rechecked the clock spring and steering wheel location marks. I can refit the air bag and retest. But all testing previously has been done with the air bag in and fault codes cleared

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    What do you see in MVB 004.1 of the ABS?
    Also look in MVB 007.1 of the Steering assist.

    Both should show something close to 0 degrees with the steering wheel centered and the front wheels pointed straight ahead, and should go positive when the steering wheel is turned in one direction, and negative when it is turned in the other direction.

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    ABS MVB 004 is -1.40 and goes positive and negative when turned.
    Steering assist MVB 7 is identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernAuto View Post
    ABS MVB 004 is -1.40 and goes positive and negative when turned.
    Steering assist MVB 7 is identical.
    OK, that is as it should be. I am now scratching my head.

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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