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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolDave View Post
    It's ALWAYS worth keeping VCDS updated, it doesn't cost anything and it gets you bug fixes and updates to data files - even those for older cars as the community discover more information. There really is no good reason not to be using the latest VCDS - unless you don't have a genuine Ross-Tech cable of course?
    as I answered above - my old laptop doesn't accept further VCDS updates. Next time though, I'll run the scans on my new laptop with latest specs of VCDS. Peace
    //Tobias, Scirocco TDI'10. Polo 1.4'01. Scirocco GTI'82

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    I can't stress enough that if you have G28 and G40 but in some ECU's if the timing is out of phase, it can indeed stop a spark pulse and this used to happen in old distributor motors way back when too or waste spark type coil drivers.

    Be absolutely sure you have terminal 15 to coil during being cranked too because if an ignition switch is FUBAR this can happen too.

    The fuel pump relay DTC also bothers me.

    Thank you all for your input!
    The car has yet to start.

    The reason for trying another box/immo/key is due to scan says "blocked by immo" thinking maybe the key has lost its connection to transponder or something. By changing box/immo/key we wanted to solve the problem. And I believe it's a great clue, since car is equally dead using box no2, but no "blocked by immo"-error code.

    We will check all new clues and return here with more info or even better the news that car is ok. Since we run no business - this is friend of mine's car - we might progress slowly.

    Sincerely /Tobias
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    Even with blocked immobilizer car should crank, start and die after 2 seconds.
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    Thank you. I thought so too. Car cranks, but doesn't start at all.
    //Tobias, Scirocco TDI'10. Polo 1.4'01. Scirocco GTI'82

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    Thank you. I thought so too. Car cranks, but doesn't start at all.
    Yes we know that, that is why I want you to see it is another underlined condition in addition to possible battery or immobilizer issues too?

    Have you checked phase timing of the G28 and G40 yet + compression?
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    Hi again,
    we gave it another go, and got the following reading from the original ECU:

    Code:
    VCDS Version: Release 15.7.4 Running on Windows XP x86
    Data version: 20160216
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Friday,01,May,2020,17:28:41:25054
    
    Chassis Type: 6N (6N - VW Polo (1995 > 2002))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 25 41 45 46 55 56
     
    VIN: WVWZZZ6NZ1Y308079   
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 036-906-034-APE.lbl
       Part No: 036 906 034 D
       Component:  MARELLI 4LV       3458  
       Coding: 00031
       Shop #: WSC 00788  
       VCID: 131DFD2A611456A6D3-FFFE
    
    1 Fault Found:
    17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer 
                P1570 - 35-10 -  - Intermittent
    Readiness: 1110 0101
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 6X0-907-379.lbl
       Part No: 6X0 907 379 B
       Component: ABS     30 IE CAN  V004  
       Coding: 05603
       Shop #: WSC 00788  
       VCID: 43BD0D6A51F4062623-FFFE
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
       Part No: 3B1 907 044 C
       Component: CLIMATRONIC     C 1.0.0  
       Coding: 04000
       Shop #: WSC 00788  
       VCID: 2171A7E2ABA8343651-FFFE
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time 
                37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
       Part No: 6Q0 909 605 A
       Component: 2P AIRBAG VW5  03   0006  
       Coding: 12880
       Shop #: WSC 00788  
       VCID: 355963B20F20A8969D-FFFE
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
                07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 6N0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 920 804 D
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT TRW V12  
       Coding: 00141
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 2F5551DAED7C9246D7-FFFE
    
    4 Faults Found:
    00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G) 
                30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
    01314 - Engine Control Module 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01316 - ABS Control Module 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01321 - Control Module for Airbags (J234) 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<->CAN          
       Coding: 00022
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 70D792A630C2CDBE8E-FFFE
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 6X0-953-257.lbl
       Part No: 6X0 953 257 
       Component: IMMO                0008  
       Coding: 00001
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 7DC9BB927790B0D615-FFFE
       WVWZZZ6NZ1Y308079     VWZ1Z0A1507948
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:22)--------------------------
    Then changes the ECU and immo since reading says engine was blocked by immo.
    This is reading from box 2

    Code:
    VCDS Version: Release 15.7.4 Running on Windows XP x86
    Data version: 20160216
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Friday,01,May,2020,18:04:39:25054
    
    Chassis Type: 6X (6N - VW Polo (1995 > 2002))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 25 41 45 46 55 56
     
    VIN: WVWZZZ6XZ2B022879   
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 036-906-034-APE.lbl
       Part No: 036 906 034 AQ
       Component:  MARELLI 4LV       3420   
       Coding: 00031
       Shop #: WSC 00788  
       VCID: 61F1E7E2EB28743611-FFFE
       WVWZZZ6XZ2B022879     VWZ1Z0A1860028
    
    4 Faults Found:
    16845 - Fuel Level Sensor Circuit 
                P0461 - 35-00 - Implausible Signal
    18020 - Engine Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
                P1612 - 35-00 - 
    18087 - EPC Warning Lamp (K132) Circuit 
                P1679 - 35-00 - Open
    18099 - Malfunction Indication Light (K83) 
                P1691 - 35-00 - Open Circuit
    Readiness: 1110 0101
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 6X0-907-379.lbl
       Part No: 6X0 907 379 B
       Component: ABS     30 IE CAN  V004  
       Coding: 05603
       Shop #: WSC 00788  
       VCID: 43BD0D6A51F4062623-FFFE
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
       Part No: 3B1 907 044 C
       Component: CLIMATRONIC     C 1.0.0  
       Coding: 04000
       Shop #: WSC 00788  
       VCID: 2171A7E2ABA8343651-FFFE
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time 
                37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
       Part No: 6Q0 909 605 A
       Component: 2P AIRBAG VW5  03   0006  
       Coding: 12880
       Shop #: WSC 00788  
       VCID: 355963B20F20A8969D-FFFE
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
                07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 6N0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 920 804 D
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT TRW V12  
       Coding: 00141
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 2F5551DAED7C9246D7-FFFE
    
    4 Faults Found:
    00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G) 
                30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
    01314 - Engine Control Module 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01316 - ABS Control Module 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01321 - Control Module for Airbags (J234) 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<->CAN          
       Coding: 00022
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 70D792A630C2CDBE8E-FFFE
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 6X0-953-257.lbl
       Part No: 6X0 953 257 
       Component: IMMO                0008  
       Coding: 00001
       Shop #: WSC 00046  
       VCID: 7DC9BB927790B0D615-FFFE
       WVWZZZ6XZ2B022879     VWZ1Z0A1860028
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:23)--------------------------
    But still, cranking but not starting.

    Change to box 3, which is also a D-box, like original.
    Here is its readings:

    Code:
    VCDS Version: Release 15.7.4 Running on Windows XP x86
    Data version: 20160216
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Friday,01,May,2020,18:30:23:25054
    
    Chassis Type: 6N - VW Polo (1995 > 2002)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 25 41 45 46 55 56
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 6X0-907-379.lbl
       Part No: 6X0 907 379 B
       Component: ABS     30 IE CAN  V004  
       Coding: 05603
       Shop #: WSC 00788  
       VCID: 43BD0D6A51F4062623-FFFE
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
       Part No: 3B1 907 044 C
       Component: CLIMATRONIC     C 1.0.0  
       Coding: 04000
       Shop #: WSC 00788  
       VCID: 2171A7E2ABA8343651-FFFE
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time 
                37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
       Part No: 6Q0 909 605 A
       Component: 2P AIRBAG VW5  03   0006  
       Coding: 12880
       Shop #: WSC 00788  
       VCID: 355963B20F20A8969D-FFFE
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
                07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 6N0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 920 804 D
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT TRW V12  
       Coding: 00141
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 2F5551DAED7C9246D7-FFFE
    
    4 Faults Found:
    00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G) 
                30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
    01314 - Engine Control Module 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01316 - ABS Control Module 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01321 - Control Module for Airbags (J234) 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<->CAN          
       Coding: 00022
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 70D792A630C2CDBE8E-FFFE
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:54)--------------------------
    But still it doesn't start.

    Yes, I still run the VCDS on my old XP-laptop, since win10-laptop with latest version can't find the dongle, my apologies.

    /Tobias
    Last edited by Uwe; 05-14-2020 at 09:16 AM. Reason: CODE tags
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocScirocco View Post
    Yes, I still run the VCDS on my old XP-laptop, since win10-laptop with latest version can't find the dongle, my apologies.
    You have an Auto-Intern Auto-COM or Multi-Scan. They have a driver for it here:
    https://www.auto-intern.de/downloads/treiber-firmware/

    It's the second download on that page. Or try this direct/deep link:
    https://www.auto-intern.de/media/arc...usb-driver.zip

    Quote Originally Posted by DocScirocco View Post
    Change to box 3, which is also a D-box, like original.
    Here is its readings:
    That immo appears to be dead. It doesn't respond (no address 25 in that scan) and it doesn't let the K-line through to the W-line either, as indicated by the lack of response from 01-Engine.

    Between scans 1 and 2 you also swapped ECUs?

    Given the age of this car, maybe the best approach would be to send the correct ECU out to someone who can do an immo defeat on it?

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    immo defeated, 3 complete sets of ECU + immos

    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    You have an Auto-Intern Auto-COM or Multi-Scan. They have a driver for it here:
    https://www.auto-intern.de/downloads/treiber-firmware/

    It's the second download on that page. Or try this direct/deep link:
    https://www.auto-intern.de/media/arc...usb-driver.zip
    Thank you, I will try it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    That immo appears to be dead. It doesn't respond (no address 25 in that scan) and it doesn't let the K-line through to the W-line either, as indicated by the lack of response from 01-Engine.

    Between scans 1 and 2 you also swapped ECUs?
    Between scan 1 and scan 2, we swapped ECU and immo-unit. The ECU and Immo-unit were harvested from the same donor car.
    Between scan 2 and scan 3, we again swapped ECU together with corresponding immo.
    So all in all, the complete sets of ECU+immo with its keys.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Given the age of this car, maybe the best approach would be to send the correct ECU out to someone who can do an immo defeat on it?
    We tried that too, sending original box to immo defeaters. It was reinstalled with exactly the same VCDC readings and same no starting car.

    So the immo defeat was undone, still no change in VCDC or starting.

    However, might it be another problem, than immo? Some people says that with immo fault, engine should fire and run for two seconds, before cut out. This one doesn't run at all.

    /Tobias
    Last edited by Uwe; 05-14-2020 at 01:43 PM. Reason: Fixed Quotes
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocScirocco View Post
    However, might it be another problem, than immo? Some people says that with immo fault, engine should fire and run for two seconds, before cut out. This one doesn't run at all.
    Good point. I would also expect a car of this age to fire momentarily before cutting out if the Immo was the only issue.

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