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Thread: Seat Leon FR 2019 Adaptive Cruisecontol disable, start/stop disable

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    Seat Leon FR 2019 Adaptive Cruisecontol disable, start/stop disable

    We had here a Seat Leon from january 2019. We had the question to see if it is possible to make the adaptive cruisecontrol to act as a normal cruisecontrol. The driver is getting frustrated of the automatic adjusting of the speed and braking of the car.

    Does anyone have a idea if it possible to change the coding / adaptions so the cruisecontrol does not adjusting the speed and brake anymore?

    The start-stop system have we disabled on the same way as a Golf

    Here is the Autoscan of the car

    Code:
     Wednesday,27,November,2019,07:21:12:57342
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Dealer/Shop Name: Brandsen
    Workshop Code: 123 12345 012345
    
    VIN: VSSZZZ5FZKR0xxxxx   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 12658km-7865mi   Repair Order: 133262
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    Chassis Type: 5F-SE37 (3Q0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 13 15 16 17 19 42 44 47 4B 52 5F 69 A5 D6
              D7
    
    VIN: VSSZZZ5FZKR019382   Mileage: 12658km-7865miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    4B-Multifunc. Module -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
    69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
    A5-Frt Sens. Drv. Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    D6-Light Ctrl Left 2 -- Status: OK 0000
    D7-Light Ctrl Right 2 -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (J623-DFFA)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 04L 906 026 NF    HW: 04L 907 309 P
       Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H25 6380  
       Revision: B4H25---    
       Coding: 01250012037401092000
       Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906026NF 004007
       ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906026KM.rod
       VCID: 7BB60F42F23A9E97F2-802E
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels:. 0BH-927-711.clb
       Part No SW: 0GC 300 042 T    HW: 0GC 927 711 H
       Component: GSG DQ381     H06 2308  
       Revision: 00H06V07    
       Coding: 0014
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ381061 001
       ROD: EV_TCMDQ381061_VW37.rod
       VCID: 373ED3728E927AF756-8062
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-IPB-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 614 517 DE    HW: 5Q0 614 517 AD
       Component: ESC           H25 0524  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 62658000001856
       Coding: 20EE629224210975877A060860C52404462490E1600624733862F074C222430B00000012121212B835351919323200
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 037009
       ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_037_VW41.rod
       VCID: 77BE1372CE12BAF796-8022
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5G0-907-044.clb
       Part No SW: 5F0 907 044 AL    HW: 5F0 907 044 AL
       Component: Climatronic   H05 1801  
       Revision: 00001K09    
       Coding: 00000114202114011105000000101020
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 006145
       ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_006.rod
       VCID: 70AC286EAB7CEDCF57-8024
    
       Fresh Air Blower Front: 
    
       Geber für Kältemitteldruck/Kältemitteltemperatur: 
    
       Air quality sensor: 
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 5Q0-937-08X-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 DD    HW: 5Q0 937 084 CG
       Component: BCM MQBAB H   H38 0273  
       Serial number: 00001826701208
       Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00171
       ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMMQB 019001
       ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_019_VW37.rod
       VCID: 7DB2015AEC2E90A7CC-8028
    
       Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F1 955 119 A    HW: 5F1 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
       Component: WWS370 180908  041 0574 
       Serial number:         180914105146
       Coding: 0BC5FD
    
       Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 81A 955 555 A    HW: 81A 955 555 
       Component: G397_RLFSS  H06 0002 
       Serial number: 21862415X81A955555A0
       Coding: 00005D
    
       Sun Roof: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 591 D    HW: 6R0 959 591 D
       Component: J245 PS72.405  H04 0005 
       Serial number: 0000FST0025X4MU00000
       Coding: 180102
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 5Q0-919-294.clb
       Part No SW: 5QA 919 294 C    HW: 5QA 919 294 
       Component: PDC 8 KanalH07 0050  
       Serial number: 000308418018239
       Coding: 0471051111
       Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000 009039
       ROD: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000_009_VW37.rod
       VCID: 4CD49C9EE714E92F0B-8018
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-572.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 907 572 P    HW: 5Q0 907 572 J
       Component: ACC BOSCH MQB H11 0682  
       Coding: 350067C95DFFC728949C814580400600000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ACCBOSCHVW416 002008
       ROD: EV_ACCBOSCHVW416_002_VW37.rod
       VCID: 44C4B4BECF44216FC3-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 3Q0 959 655 BH    HW: 3Q0 959 655 BH
       Component: Airbag VW21   006 0712  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 003W4PKR7MY2
       Coding: 98CCC000000000005C0000CC000800000065
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW21TS6VW48X 001014
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW21TS6VW48X.rod
       VCID: 054269BA84FED86794-8050
    
       Side Sensor Driver Front: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 001 909 18
       Component: SideSensor_Df  008 0887 
       Serial number: 35700000000DE054623J
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 001 409 18
       Component: SideSensor_Pf  008 0887 
       Serial number: 358000000002BA45023A
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 802 109 18
       Component: SideSensor_Dr  301 0148 
       Serial number: 3510060326416000000.
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 409 18
       Component: SideSensor_Pr  301 0148 
       Serial number: 35200A3A71616000000B
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Front Sensor Driver: 
       Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 109 18
       Component: FrontSensor_D  304 0149 
       Serial number: 35500822E2616000000B
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 HA    HW: 5Q0 953 549 E
       Component: Lenks. Modul  003 0140  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 29091804401455
       Coding: 6C10
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 020002
       ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_020_VW37.rod
       VCID: 7CB40C5EF73499AFFB-8028
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
       Part No SW: 5F0 920 790 A    HW: 5F0 920 790 A
       Component: KOMBI         609 1693  
       Coding: 04A442086F840008018862031001000080000000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBA0 001026
       ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBA0_VW37.rod
       VCID: 271E03325E32EA77C6-8072
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-530-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 3Q0 907 530 Q    HW: 3Q0 907 530 C
       Component: GW MQB High   439 4344  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 0008530340
       Coding: 030100F40F086A00EB0002581C0F00010001070000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
       ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewNF 013044
       ROD: EV_GatewNF.rod
       VCID: 3D32C15AACAE50A78C-8068
    
       Alternator: 
    
       Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5F0 959 537 D    HW: 5F0 959 537 D
       Component: E221__MFL-PR6  H04 0130 
       Serial number: 000000000G0059060818
       Coding: 012000
    
       Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 J    HW: 5Q0 915 181 J
       Component: J367-BDMConti  H03 1050 
       Serial number: 75886002001809171370
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q4 959 593 M    HW: 5Q4 959 593 F
       Component: TSG FS        006 0247  
       Serial number: 0000345123196 
       Coding: 00140320DC00020000001000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00171
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCU2DriveSideMAXHCONT 001005
       ROD: EV_DCU2DriveSideMAXHCONT_VW37.rod
       VCID: 4FEE8B921602D2376E-801A
    
       Drivers Door Rear Control Module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 811 E    HW: 5Q0 959 811 E  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
       Component: FOND_FHSG_DRV  006 0007 
       Serial number: 00000000000023869621
       Coding: 310000
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 AB    HW: 5Q0 909 144 AA
       Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  131 1082  
       Coding: 911F0000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00171
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 015157
       ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_015.rod
       VCID: 74A4247EDF64D1EFB3-8020
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:| 5Q0-035-456.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 035 456 A    HW: 5Q0 035 456 A
       Component: MIB2_lite_amp H40 0200  
       Revision: 00000001    Serial number: VWZ8Z1JMD02PCDX
       Coding: 3300000000A0AF8A000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00171
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AMPMst11CGen2ALPI 001003
       ROD: EV_AMPMst11CGen2ALPI.rod
       VCID: 2E10F61671C8BB3F05-807A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 4B: Multifunc. Module (J745)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-338-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 3Q0 907 338 C    HW: 3Q0 907 338 C
       Component: FCM MQB Low   002 0342  
       Serial number: 16091811600760
       Coding: 000000070900094200000940000000000000000000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MultiModulContiVW48X 002004
       ROD: EV_MultiModulContiVW48X_002_VW41.rod
       VCID: 3522D97A949E88E744-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q4 959 592 M    HW: 5Q4 959 592 F
       Component: TSG BFS       006 0247  
       Serial number: 0000344576412 
       Coding: 00140120DE00020000001000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00171
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCU2PasseSideMAXHCONT 001005
       ROD: EV_DCU2PasseSideMAXHCONT_VW37.rod
       VCID: 4ED096961108DB3F65-801A
    
       Passengers Rear Door Control Module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 812 E    HW: 5Q0 959 812 E  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
       Component: FOND_FHSG_PSG  006 0007 
       Serial number: 00000000000023912208
       Coding: 290000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5F0-035-MIB-HGH2.clb
       Part No SW: 5F0 035 043 G    HW: 5F0 035 043 
       Component: MU-H-N-EU     H55 1338  
       Serial number: A679I0JS003511
       Coding: 04738001000000001111000200080A002F0101E4012004009E
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MUHig4CGen2HBAS 001001
       ROD: EV_MUHig4CGen2HBAS_AU37.rod
       VCID: 210A1D2A3016144788-8074
    
       Operating And Display Unit 1: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F0 919 606     HW: 5F0 919 606 
       Component: ABTm-2_8-CR  H41 1042 
       Serial number: SEZ8Z9V6C053DT      
    
       Data medium: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: V03 959 802 CE    HW: -----------
       Component: ECE 2018/2019  --- 0169 
       Serial number: --------------------
    
       Compact Disc Database: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: V03 959 800 EG    HW: -----------
       Component: Gracenote2  --- 1017 
       Serial number: --------------------
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-383.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 907 383 J    HW: 5Q0 907 383 B
       Component: Anheanger     H21 0204  
       Serial number: 00006789,)-''.
       Coding: 0100000202000000
       Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TrailFunctGener2Hella 001008
       ROD: EV_TrailFunctGener2Hella_VW26.rod
       VCID: 3E30C656A1A84BBF95-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address A5: Frt Sens. Drv. Assist (R242)       Labels:| 3Q0-980-65X-A5.clb
       Part No SW: 3QD 980 654     HW: 3Q0 980 654 A
       Component: MQB_B_MFK     H09 1272  
       Serial number: 12081841P23114
       Coding: 0303070300000400002223448150A90098000E200020
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00171
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MFKBoschMQBB 001001
       ROD: EV_MFKBoschMQBB_001_SE37.rod
       VCID: 085C608EB3ECC50FEF-805C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address D6: Light Ctrl Left 2 (A31)       Labels: 7P5-941-591.clb
       Part No SW: 7P5 941 591 AD    HW: 7P5 941 591 A
       Component: LED1L         H06 0005  
       ASAM Dataset: EV_LED_PLUS_L_KEBODAVW416 001003
       ROD: EV_LED_PLUS_L_KEBODAVW416_SE37.rod
       VCID: 7EB00656E1288BBFD5-802A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address D7: Light Ctrl Right 2 (A27)       Labels: 7P5-941-591.clb
       Part No SW: 7P5 941 591 AD    HW: 7P5 941 591 A
       Component: LED1R         H06 0005  
       ASAM Dataset: EV_LED_PLUS_R_KEBODAVW416 001003
       ROD: EV_LED_PLUS_R_KEBODAVW416_SE37.rod
       VCID: 7EB00656E1288BBFD5-802A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:37, VBatt start/end: 13.7V/13.5V)-----------

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    Yes, in principle, it should be possible, but I expect it will be quite complicated, involving changes to quite a few modules.

    Frankly, I cannot imagine someone preferring a standard, old-school cruise control to an adaptive one. My guess is that the driver has not learned to use the ACC properly, especially the control for the following distance, and the fact that he can easily prevent braking or slowing with a slight touch of the accelerator pedal.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Frankly, I cannot imagine someone preferring a standard, old-school cruise control to an adaptive one. My guess is that the driver has not learned to use the ACC properly, especially the control for the following distance, and the fact that he can easily prevent braking or slowing with a slight touch of the accelerator pedal.
    My previous car had "normal" cruise control and frankly I hardly ever used it, my current car has ACC and it use it almost every time I drive the car. ACC is just SOOOOO much more usable than CC I am at a loss to understand why anyone would want to revert from ACC to CC. The automatic control of speed to be able to follow other cars is to me what makes ACC so good.

    Maybe worth asking the customer exactly what he thinks the problem is with ACC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolDave View Post
    My previous car had "normal" cruise control and frankly I hardly ever used it, my current car has ACC and it use it almost every time I drive the car. ACC is just SOOOOO much more usable than CC I am at a loss to understand why anyone would want to revert from ACC to CC. The automatic control of speed to be able to follow other cars is to me what makes ACC so good.

    Maybe worth asking the customer exactly what he thinks the problem is with ACC?
    The customer finds that the car brakes too early. He told us that he would prefer to have this switched off, because he can brake the car himself. The setting from the distance is already set to minimum.
    We have deactivated the "predictive speed limit regulation" in the adaption, hoping that this might help a little bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandsen View Post
    The customer finds that the car brakes too early. He told us that he would prefer to have this switched off, because he can brake the car himself. The setting from the distance is already set to minimum.
    We have deactivated the "predictive speed limit regulation" in the adaption, hoping that this might help a little bit
    When I start to feel the car brake and I don't want it to, I apply a bit of accelerator pedal. This stops it from braking. The nice thing about this is that it automatically resumes being on cruise control when I release the accelerator. With a conventional cruise, if you manually brake, you must also manually resume the cruise.

    Adaptive cruise is definitely something that takes some getting used to. It took me many hundreds of miles of highway driving before I was really comfortable with it, but once you learn its ways, a regular old-school cruise control system seems crude and primitive by comparison.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandsen View Post
    The customer finds that the car brakes too early.
    Brakes or eases off the gas?

    I find that when you approach a slower car ACC will ease off the gas causing a small but noticeable deceleration earlier than I expect while quite a long distance away (a lot further than the following distance), so I just either take control of the gas pedal or if appropriate change lane early to overtake.

    I find that ACC brakes later than I would when the car in front slows down, but I have always tried to drive smoothly by looking ahead and anticipating what the vehicle in front will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolDave View Post
    Brakes or eases off the gas?

    I find that when you approach a slower car ACC will ease off the gas causing a small but noticeable deceleration earlier than I expect while quite a long distance away (a lot further than the following distance), so I just either take control of the gas pedal or if appropriate change lane early to overtake.

    I find that ACC brakes later than I would when the car in front slows down, but I have always tried to drive smoothly by looking ahead and anticipating what the vehicle in front will do.
    Well, the customer has bought the car from us with a standard cruise control. Only this car has an adaptive cruise control. The seller told him that this could be turned off. Today we are going to see if we will succeed ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandsen View Post
    Well, the customer has bought the car from us with a standard cruise control. Only this car has an adaptive cruise control. The seller told him that this could be turned off. Today we are going to see if we will succeed ...
    Funny customer

    I will never go back to conventional cruise after getting used to ACC. It is very hard to imagine life without it

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    You need to change the Coding in SMLS and ECU.
    The Bits should by Named in VCDS.
    Remove The Bit @ Adaptive Cruise, or so ...
    Probably you have to Change the Stalk from ACC to CC, too. But i think it must work with the ACC Stalk, too.

    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
    Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 HA HW: 5Q0 953 549 E
    Component: Lenks. Modul 003 0140
    Revision: -------- Serial number: 29091804401455
    Coding: 6C10

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    I don't think it works. You need to change modules 01, 03, 17 and 5F at least. Also if the car has lane assist camera you would need to tell that the car has no ACC.

    But the problem comes here. Both ACC and CC are under different FeC codes. Now the car has ACC activated and CC FeC not activated. Even you disable the bits for ACC, the CC will never work. It will flag an error.

    So just tell your customer to face it and enjoy the ACC they got for free (presumably) and tell them to stop worrying.

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