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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacewalker View Post
    you can also make a module simulation, to create part number, and connect VCDS to code that "virtual module"
    What's the most straightforward method of achieving this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Yes, that's correct. If the file is plain text, (.LBL or .XPL), then LCode can load it off-line. If the file is encrypted (.CLB), then LCode cannot load it off-line.

    -Uwe-
    Got it, thanks Uwe

    Can I "make/create" an .lbl or .xpl file for a module if I'm connected to a car in real time and somehow store/save that so I can load it offline at a later date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyhud View Post
    Can I "make/create" an .lbl or .xpl file for a module if I'm connected to a car in real time and somehow store/save that so I can load it offline at a later date?
    If you can load it off-line at a later date, so can everyone else. The whole point of encrypting them is to prevent that.

    Keep asking how to defeat the protections we've put in place, and sooner or later, I may end up thinking you're up to something nefarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    If you can load it off-line at a later date, so can everyone else. The whole point of encrypting them is to prevent that.

    Keep asking how to defeat the protections we've put in place, and sooner or later, I may end up thinking you're up to something nefarious.

    -Uwe-

    Noted Uwe, and I can assure you far from it.

    It was just for my personal use. As I do a lot of retrofits for people I do a lot of coding deciphering at my desk in the warm instead of in the cold garage, so it was for that reason I was asking so I could work on this stuff like that

    No issue whatsoever and I'm far from upto anything evil or sinister...

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyhud View Post
    As I do a lot of retrofits for people
    You may have to consider what Spacewalker said about that "virtual module" idea.

    The third party Android app OBDeleven does save the long coding and labels for offline use so you can mentally visualize the retrofit changes you would want to for a customer. The caveat is that you would have to SCAN the car first and the relevant modules, so that the labels are available offline on your smartphone. They haven't implemented making adaptations available offline. Of course, they changed some of the wording for the labels so it doesn't look like an except from VCDS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitrousOxide View Post
    You may have to consider what Spacewalker said about that "virtual module" idea.

    The third party Android app OBDeleven does save the long coding and labels for offline use so you can mentally visualize the retrofit changes you would want to for a customer. The caveat is that you would have to SCAN the car first and the relevant modules, so that the labels are available offline on your smartphone. They haven't implemented making adaptations available offline. Of course, they changed some of the wording for the labels so it doesn't look like an except from VCDS.
    Nitrousoxide: Yes, I agree, VOLTAS IT have adopted an entirely different (and very interesting) philosophy with their OBD11 products. But, they have a singular advantage over VCDS in that their IP sits behind their cooperate firewall. Of course this advantage turns into a disadvantage at the workshop interface, because it means that the database for the car needs to be individually and separately downloaded every-time the user connects to the dongle. This includes both the long-code and adaptation channel information.

    Their other advantage is that the interaction with OBD11 software is locked to a particular google user account - so access is inherently limited and security is in-built. However, this does mean that good ISP performance is needed at the site of use (not always possible in car parks and some underground workshops)!

    And, apropos of the long code descriptors the OBD11 uses - again VOLTAS IT appear to have taken an entirely different (and quite innovative), approach in that most (all?) of the software switch descriptors seem to be "crowd sourced" (I say "seem to be", because it's unclear if this actually the case).

    At face value at least, VOLTAS IT just steps-back from the issue that Uwe has identified above and the parent company seems to simply accept user inputs. It's a kind-of Pontius Pilate role that deftly (IMO) side-steps what are clearly quite sensitive ethical and commercial (and legal?) issues in that I've no doubt that much of what is in the OBD11 tables was originally sourced from competitor data like VCDS, VCP etc. - albeit provided and invariably re-worded in the provision process, allegedly by users.

    The other interesting difference with VOLTAS IT seems to be that they openly spruik their status as having an official license as "VW group certified" (whatever that means!!). AFAIK, this "special" and quit unique status with the car manufacturer has not been questioned by VW - at least not publicly.


    Don

    PS: can't the adaptation channel information that you say is missing from OBD11's off-line facility be provided via their back-up file process?

    PPS: doesn't VCDS mobile at least offer some of the off-line data that you seek?
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    "VW group certified" just means that they pay for getting all the ASAM control unit information stuff.
    They once advertised that in connection with "in some future we also can cover other car brands because we're member of some consortium".

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadez16 View Post
    "in some future we also can cover other car brands because we're member of some consortium".
    I believe this was in reference to BMW.

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