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    Instrument cluster 0x17 refused coding

    Hi everyone,

    I was attempting to change the coding of the instrument cluster on my friend's 2017 VW Golf to remove the seat-belt warning and after multiple attempts the software refused to code it with the new coding with following error:

    Coding Rejected.
    Error 31: Request out of range.

    I was using my Windows 10 tablet running latest version (19.6.2) and Genuine VCDS HEX+USB adapter. After several attempts, I was scrathing my head and wondering why this is not working. After she left I took the same tool setup back to my 2015 VW Jetta TDI, which I disabled the seat-belt warning back in 2016, ( Using exact same tablet, VCDS HEX+USB and software version 15.7.4.1) but this time trying to re-enable it, I got the same error:

    Coding Rejected.
    Error 31: Request out of range.

    I tried downgrading VCDS software to one version older ( The one I had saved was 18.9.1) with the same results. This made me think something changed from version 15.x.x to the newer versions.

    But then, I installed version 18.9.1 on a different laptop computer running Windows 7 and it worked fine on my 2015 Jetta - I was able to recode! I have not tested the 19.6.2 version as of now yet, but I am sure it would work as well. So I guess the problem was with my tablet. What still puzzles me is that the same laptop with Windows 10 worked fine back in 2016, was able to read the coding last night...just could not write the coding back into the instrument controller. So my question is where does Reject error 31 come from? Is that the message from the controller or VCDS does it own checks?


    I was undecided if I should post this, but figure out it might help someone else with similar computer issues.

    I will try recoding her 2017 VW Golf next time I see her and will post the results!

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    Auto-Scans would be appreciated for context.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    ^^^ hytron: Hi. If I might add to Uwe's suggestion - you are aware that the security code for the hex17 module on MQB platform vehicles (like the Golf) was changed by the boffins in Wolfsburg around mid 2016?

    In previous models, the SA was 20103, but in later modules the SA was changed to 47115. Which did you use in your attempt(s)?

    Don
    VW Golf MkVII (MY13) - A3 8V hatch (MY17)

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    DV52 and Uwe thank you for the reply, I was unaware of that but the vehicle we are talking about is 2015 VW Jetta TDI. I was able to change the coding and disable seat-belt warning back in 2016 using Windows 10 tablet and VCDS version 15.7.4.1. Also, I was able to change setting again today using VCDS 18.9.1 and using different laptop running Windows 7! I am unable to change the setting using Windows 10 and VCDS version 18.9.1. To change the coding I never used the SA.

    So update as of now doing all these tests on my 2015 VW Jetta TDI:

    - Using tablet with Windows 10 and VCDS version 18.9.1: I am unable to change the settings (The error is: Coding Rejected. Error 31: Request out of range.)
    - Using laptop with Windows 7 and VCDS version 18.9.1: I am able to change the settings.

    It is either my tables that does not work right or some incompatibility between Windows 10 and VCDS, but obviously only certain things.

    Again Thank You so much for the update!

    Below is the Auto-Scan from my 2015 VW Jetta TDI:

    Code:
    Saturday,16,November,2019,22:18:27:33162
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x86
    VCDS Version: 18.9.1.0
    Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: 3VW3A7AJ5FM288921   License Plate: TDI2
    Mileage: 56700km-35231mi   Repair Order: 16Nov2019_v1
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: AJ-VW36 (6N0)
    Scan: 01 03 04 05 08 09 15 17 19 25 2B 2E 44 56 75 77
    
    VIN: 3VW3A7AJ5FM288921   Mileage: 56700km-35231miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
    2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    75-Telematics -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (J623-CVCA)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 04L 997 016 B    HW: 04L 907 309 K
       Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H20 9468  
       Revision: 8AH20---    
       Coding: 01190012042410085000
       Shop #: WSC 03054 444 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L997016B 004002
       ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L997016B.rod
       VCID: 326B1FEC65AEEBDA1B-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BS    HW: 1K0 907 379 BS
       Component: ESP MK60EC1   H46 0166  
       Revision: 00H46001    
       Coding: A14B400C492A0002851402E6921A0042A0100012
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 04078934879A956AF9-8050
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels:| 5K0-959-434.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 959 434 E    HW: 5K0 959 434 
       Component: VWKESSYPQ35GP 092 1202  
       Revision: 00092000    Serial number: 0351533614
       Coding: 000F0F
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00148
       ASAM Dataset: EV_KESSYPQ35G A02717
       ROD: EV_KESSYPQ35G_A02_VW36.rod
       VCID: 377D2EF88ECC0EF22C-8062
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 5C0-820-047.clb
       Part No SW: 5C0 820 047 CG    HW: 5C0 820 047 CG
       Component: J301  Klimaanlage   0208  
       Revision: 2001001S    Serial number: 00000002531420
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00011
       VCID: 67DDBEB856EC5E727C-8032
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 7H0-937-08x-09.clb
       Part No SW: 7H0 937 090 E    HW: 7H0 937 090 A
       Component: BCM PQ25 Max3 H75 0726  
       Revision: B8075001    Serial number: 0660 309150051
       Coding: 73994B9A08AB0B0008382080040884C50F86702E60000050B0A050022844
       Shop #: WSC 40662 001 104857
       VCID: 306F15E463A2D9CA6D-8064
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AN    HW: 6R0 959 801 AN  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
       Component: J386__TSG_FT  006 5461 
       Serial number: 14102585141119092712
       Coding: 820000
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 AS    HW: 6R0 959 802 AS  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
       Component: J387__TSG_BT  006 5461 
       Serial number: 14102584141112072226
       Coding: 820000
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 5K0 959 591 A
       Component: J245 PS41.402  H02 0003 
       Serial number: 0000FST00014JYM00000
       Coding: 180000
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 A    HW: 6C0 959 442 A
       Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H04 0019 
       Serial number: 2331503310100309AC2B
       Coding: 290000
    
       Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 M    HW: 6R0 959 811 M
       Component: J388__TSG_HL  006 5460 
       Serial number: 14102587141113070840
       Coding: 800000
    
       Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 M    HW: 6R0 959 812 M
       Component: J389__TSG_HR  006 5460 
       Serial number: 14102586141121180508
       Coding: 800000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 5C0 959 655 AB    HW: 5C0 959 655 AB
       Component: AirbagVW10    500 0975  
       Serial number: 003LZD042HMV  
       Coding: 00004B33
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00011
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 001030
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360.rod
       VCID: 72EBDFECA52EABDADB-8026
    
       Seat occupied recognition: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 959 339 B    HW: 4M0 959 339 B
       Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H10 0021 
       Serial number: IBH0000J1500026P3K0+
       Coding: 303146
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
       Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  H02 ---- 
       Serial number: 3572MSME0B29694AZZZ1
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
       Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  H02 ---- 
       Serial number: 3582MSME1F242A4AZZZ%
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
       Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  H02 ---- 
       Serial number: 3516KSME2B2B4C32ZZZ-
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
       Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  H02 ---- 
       Serial number: 3526KSME2D264C32ZZZY
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
       Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A    HW: 5K0 959 659 A
       Component: F.Sens.Fahr  H02 ---- 
       Serial number: 3556LSME7D405631ZZZX
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
       Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A    HW: 5K0 959 659 A
       Component: F.Sens.Beif  H02 ---- 
       Serial number: 3566LSME48190632ZZZS
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
       Part No SW: 5C6 920 954 A    HW: 5C6 920 954 A
       Component: KOMBI         H04 0807  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 270801
       Shop #: WSC 40662 001 104857
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04727
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
       VCID: 2C570194478ABD2A51-8078
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
       Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 7H0 937 090 A
       Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H75 0726  
       Revision: B8075001    
       Coding: 102200
       Shop #: WSC 40662 001 104857
       VCID: 70EFD5E4A32299CA2D-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
       Component: IMMO          H04 0807  
       Serial number:               
       Coding: 000007
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00081
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
       ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
       VCID: 6ADBC78C8DFE631A63-803E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels:* 5K0-905-861.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 905 861 C    HW: 5K0 905 861 C
       Component: ELV-PQ35      H21 0240  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 14000329256002
       Coding: 4100000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00118
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X A01001
       ROD: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X.rod
       VCID: 306F15E46BA2D9CA6D-8064
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 2E: Media Player 3
    Cannot be reached
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
       Part No: 1K0 909 144 R
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 306    3501  
       Revision: 00H22000    
       Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
       VCID: 397928C070D81882DA-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 035 188 H    HW: 1K0 035 188 H
       Component: Radio Prem-8  H07 0009  
       Revision: -----12S    Serial number: VWZ4Z7R3655094
       Coding: 01000440020006
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00011
       VCID: 2D510C907490B42246-8078
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 10
                        Reset counter: 196
                        Mileage: 51906 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.04.06
                        Time: 12:20:08
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 75: Telematics (J949)       Labels:| 12E-035-284.clb
       Part No SW: 561 035 285 A    HW: 561 035 285 A
       Component: OCULowUSA     020 0156  
       Serial number: 000003554140532
       Coding: 02630102C21632007F1606000000
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_OCULow 002009
       ROD: EV_OCULow_002.rod
       VCID: 1427B974FFFA05EA69-8040
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels:| 5N0-035-729.clb
       Part No SW: 5N0 035 729 E    HW: 5N0 035 729 E
       Component: TELEFON       H07 0593  
       Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007666862500
       Coding: 0A10030080010110
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVUMI 001007
       ROD: EV_UHVUMI.rod
       VCID: 326B1FEC65AEEBDA1B-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 03:50)--------------------------

    Thanks!!!
    Last edited by Uwe; 11-17-2019 at 09:54 AM. Reason: CODE tags

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    Quote Originally Posted by hytron View Post
    It is either my tables that does not work right or some incompatibility between Windows 10 and VCDS
    I think at this point there are more people using VCDS on Windows 10 than any of the older versions of Windows, so I would consider this unlikely.

    Tell us about this tablet, please. Make, Model, CPU, RAM, etc.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Uwe,

    The tablet is Dell Latitude 10 - ST2 with Intel Atom Z2760 @ 1.8GHz (Two cores), 2GB RAM, 60GB SSD (25GB Free) running Windows 10 Pro (1607).

    I will borrow a new laptop from work tomorrow to test it out, it very likely could be the tablet, but just not sure why it would read correctly the Fault codes, Measuring Blocks, Coding values, but when it comes to writing it fails with Error 31?

    Also, I have just tested using this tablet running VCDS 18.9.1 on my other 2006 VW Jetta TDI and cluster coding works fine!

    So combination of Tablet, Windows 10, VCDS 18.9.1 and 2015 VW Jetta TDI does not work for recoding instrument cluster.
    Combination of Laptop, Windows 7, VCDS 18.9.1 and 2015 VW Jetta TDI does work fine!


    Thank,
    Darko
    Last edited by hytron; 11-17-2019 at 02:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hytron View Post
    The tablet is Dell Latitude 10 - ST2 with Intel Atom Z2760 @ 1.8GHz (Two cores), 2GB RAM, 60GB SSD (25GB Free) running Windows 10 Pro (1607).
    Atom CPUs can be a bit dodgy on newer cars with legacy cables where all the low-level stuff is done by the PC.

    I think you're on the right track though -- process of elimination.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    If you can’t disable it via long coding then try adaptions

    Adaptions -> “seatbelt warning” -> disable

    No security access needed

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