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    P1570-35 Polo 1.4 2001

    Greetings!

    We have a Polo 1.4 75 hp 2001 Color Concept, which refuses to start.

    The scan (see below) says P1570-35, indicating on immo. But, it doesn't fire at all. Immo-blocks usually allow the engine to shortly ignite, before cut out. So we changed to another ECM with its pairing immo and key. This returned several other codes, but not the P15770-35 "immo-fault". Still, not spark at all.

    How to address this? Is it the combi instrument?

    Thank you in advance!
    sincerely, Tobias, Sweden

    Original box scan:

    Code:
    VCDS
    Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
    VCDS Version: Release 15.7.4 Data version: 20160216
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    Dealer/Shop Name:
    Workshop Code: 000 00000 000000
    Self-Diagnosis Log
    Monday,21,October,2019,13:26:44:25054
    VIN: WVWZZZ6NZ1Y308079 License Plate: SNC780
    Mileage: Repair Order: 191101-1
    Chassis Type: 6N (6N - VW Polo (1995 > 2002))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 25 41 45 46 55 56
    VIN: WVWZZZ6NZ1Y308079
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine Labels: 036-906-034-APE.lbl
    Part No: 036 906 034 D
    Component: MARELLI 4LV 3458
    Coding: 00031
    Shop #: WSC 00788
    VCID: 131DFD2A611456A6D3-FFFE
    1 Fault Found:
    17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
    P1570 - 35-00 -
    Readiness: 1110 0101
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 6X0-907-379.lbl
    Part No: 6X0 907 379 B
    Component: ABS 30 IE CAN V004
    Coding: 05603
    Shop #: WSC 00788
    VCID: 43BD0D6A51F4062623-FFFE
    1 Fault Found:
    01312 - Powertrain Data Bus
    37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
    Part No: 3B1 907 044 C
    Component: CLIMATRONIC C 1.0.0
    Coding: 04000
    Shop #: WSC 00788
    VCID: 2171A7E2ABA8343651-FFFE
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    VCDS
    Self-Diagnosis Log
    Monday,21,October,2019,13:26:44:25054
    Page 2
    VIN: WVWZZZ6NZ1Y308079 License Plate: SNC780
    Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
    Part No: 6Q0 909 605 A
    Component: 2P AIRBAG VW5 03 0006
    Coding: 12880
    Shop #: WSC 00788
    VCID: 355963B20F20A8969D-FFFE
    2 Faults Found:
    00532 - Supply Voltage B+
    07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    01312 - Powertrain Data Bus
    37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments Labels: 6N0-920-xxx-17.lbl
    Part No: 6N0 920 804 D
    Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT TRW V12
    Coding: 00141
    Shop #: WSC 00000
    VCID: 2F5551DAED7C9246D7-FFFE
    3 Faults Found:
    01314 - Engine Control Module
    49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01316 - ABS Control Module
    49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01321 - Control Module for Airbags (J234)
    49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
    Part No: 6N0 909 901
    Component: Gateway K<->CAN
    Coding: 00022
    Shop #: WSC 00000
    VCID: 70D792A630C2CDBE8E-FFFE
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 6X0-953-257.lbl
    Part No: 6X0 953 257
    Component: IMMO 0008
    Coding: 00001
    Shop #: WSC 00000
    VCID: 7DC9BB927790B0D615-FFFE
    WVWZZZ6NZ1Y308079 VWZ1Z0A1507948
    No fault code found.
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:18)--------------------------
    Scan engine replacement box:

    Code:
    Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
    Version: Release 15.7.4
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    Dealer/Shop Name:
    Workshop Code: 000 00000
    Diagnostic Trouble Code Report
    Monday,21,October,2019,14:34:35:25054
    VIN: WVWZZZ6XZ2B022879 License Plate: SNC780
    Mileage: Repair Order: 191102-2
    
    Control Module Part Number: 036 906 034 AQ
    Component and/or Version: MARELLI 4LV 3420
    Software Coding: 00011
    Work Shop Code: WSC 00046
    VCID: 61F1E7E2EB28743611-FFFE
    Additional Info: WVWZZZ6XZ2B022879 VWZ1Z0A1860028
    10 Faults Found:
    16845 - Fuel Level Sensor Circuit
    P0461 - 35-00 - Implausible Signal
    18020 - Engine Control Module Incorrectly Coded
    P1612 - 35-00 -
    18099 - Malfunction Indication Light (K83)
    P1691 - 35-00 - Open Circuit
    18087 - EPC Warning Lamp (K132) Circuit
    P1679 - 35-00 - Open
    17851 - Potentiometer for EGR (G212)
    P1443 - 35-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    17564 - Manifold Pressure Sensor (G71)
    P1156 - 35-10 - Open/Short to Ground - Intermittent
    17952 - Angle Sensor 1 for Throttle Actuator (G187)
    P1544 - 35-10 - Signal too Large - Intermittent
    17580 - Angle Sensor 2 for Throttle Actuator (G188) Signal too Low
    P1172 - 35-10 - - Intermittent
    18057 - Powertrain Data Bus
    P1649 - 35-10 - Missing Message from ABS Controller - Intermittent
    17949 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17)
    P1541 - 35-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
    Readiness: 1110 0101
    Last edited by Uwe; 11-30-2019 at 06:54 PM. Reason: CODE tags
    //Tobias, Scirocco TDI'10. Polo 1.4'01. Scirocco GTI'82

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    Admin Request 1: Please do not use the [Print] function in VCDS to post data here. The native .txt data that VCDS produces directly using [Copy] or [Save] is considerably easier to read here in the forum.

    Admin Request 2: VCDS 15.7.4? Really? Updates are free.

    Is 036-906-034-AQ an appropriate replacement for 036-906-034-D?

    I notice they are coded differently and the new ECU complains it is incorrectly coded.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Vehicle Identification No. WVWZZZ6NZ1Y308079
    Model Polo 16V
    PO
    Date of production 02.05.2001
    Model year 2001
    Sales type 6N20Q4
    Engine Code AUA
    Transmission Code ETD


    IS CAR IN TIME AND SEEING BOTH G28 & G40?

    PART NUMBER DESCRIPTION REMARK MODEL
    * 030 957 147 H impulse sender
    AUA,AHW,APE,
    AFK,AUB
    Dropped: Dec 1, 2003 (EKZ: L)
    Supersession

    PART NUMBER DESCRIPTION REMARK MODEL
    030 957 147 T impulse sender



    PART NUMBER DESCRIPTION REMARK MODEL
    * 032 905 106 B ignition transformer ALD,AUC,AKK,
    AKP,AUD,AHW,
    AUA,AFK,AUB,
    ARC,AVY,APE
    Dropped: Jan 31, 2011 (EKZ: L)
    Supersession

    PART NUMBER DESCRIPTION REMARK MODEL RRP
    032 905 106 F ignition transformer
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    Request 1: certainly, my apologies. It won't happen again.

    Request 2: The XP-laptop isn't fond of more updates, but next time I'll download it to a newer computer. However, won't the old version do for an old car?

    Tried to recode the replacement. However it seems it did not accept the change. Reading an old thread here, it is suggested one also must login in order to get the ECM to accept the new code. Haven't had the guts yet to try.
    //Tobias, Scirocco TDI'10. Polo 1.4'01. Scirocco GTI'82

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    Tried to recode the replacement. However it seems it did not accept the change. Reading an old thread here, it is suggested one also must login in order to get the ECM to accept the new code. Haven't had the guts yet to try.

    Yes but why is the old one bad or diagnosed as bad?

    When you crank engine can you see RPM ref in VCDS blocks & is there a pulse to coil with LED probe on trigger?
    Last edited by Jack@European_Parts; 12-01-2019 at 11:39 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocScirocco View Post
    Request 2: The XP-laptop isn't fond of more updates, but next time I'll download it to a newer computer. However, won't the old version do for an old car?
    It's ALWAYS worth keeping VCDS updated, it doesn't cost anything and it gets you bug fixes and updates to data files - even those for older cars as the community discover more information. There really is no good reason not to be using the latest VCDS - unless you don't have a genuine Ross-Tech cable of course?

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    Is this thing running yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolDave View Post
    It's ALWAYS worth keeping VCDS updated, it doesn't cost anything and it gets you bug fixes and updates to data files - even those for older cars as the community discover more information. There really is no good reason not to be using the latest VCDS - unless you don't have a genuine Ross-Tech cable of course?
    There may be some reason but it does not fit in this topic and I will start a new one when I got enough data collected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolDave View Post
    It's ALWAYS worth keeping VCDS updated, it doesn't cost anything and it gets you bug fixes and updates to data files - even those for older cars as the community discover more information. There really is no good reason not to be using the latest VCDS - unless you don't have a genuine Ross-Tech cable of course?
    No, he has a legitimately licensed cable. Trust me, I checked quite carefully in this case!

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    I can't stress enough that if you have G28 and G40 but in some ECU's if the timing is out of phase, it can indeed stop a spark pulse and this used to happen in old distributor motors way back when too or waste spark type coil drivers.

    Be absolutely sure you have terminal 15 to coil during being cranked too because if an ignition switch is FUBAR this can happen too.

    The fuel pump relay DTC also bothers me.
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