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    Retrofitting ceramic brakes on my Q7 / abs coding question

    Hi,

    i have installed Ceramic brakes on my 2008 audi Q7. to make the install complete, i want to install an abs unit for ceramic brakes. when i check in ETKA (i am not sure if this program has the same name in the US) is has a few types for specific engine types, and one that is specific to ceramic brakes. now i am wondering, if i install the version for ceramic brakes(4l0614517G or J / sw 4l0 910 517 G or F, would it be possible to code it to my v6 tdi engine, since my original abs unit doesn't accept any other coding for other engine types.

    or maybe someone has an Q7 with this part number installed and want to test this for me?

    Since it is my first post here, i added an auto scan from my car (i hope i did it right)
    and for the people who are wondering why someone would install ceramic brakes on a lame v6 tdi...this is my company car and i live in the netherlands, i buy a lot of cars in germany and the standard q7 brakes really don't like to slow the car down on higher speeds. i warped a lot of standard rotors, even upgraded it with a bbk, but now the ceramic brakes, and it really makes a HUGE difference. the only thing is that after being a long time at high speeds the brakes cool down, and they have a real bad response. i hope to solve this problem with installing this abs unit for ceramic brakes.


    Code:
    Friday,08,November,2019,17:06:49:24514
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
    VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ4L87D082761   License Plate: 
    
    
    Chassis Type: 4L (4F0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 08 09 15 16 17 18 19 34 36 42 46 47 4F 52 55
              56 5F 62 69 6C 6F 72 76
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ4L87D082761   Mileage: 107770km-66965miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    06-Seat Mem. Pass -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    18-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    34-Level Control -- Status: OK 0000
    36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
    6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
    6F-Centr. Conv. II -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 059-907-401-ASB.clb
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 401 K    HW: 4L0 907 401 
       Component: 3.0L V6TDI  G000AG  0030  
       Revision: --H04---    Serial number:               
       Coding: 0011775
       Shop #: WSC 00001 000 00000
       VCID: AA187EAE05A06B1F59-80FE
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 1 1 1 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09D-927-750.clb
       Part No SW: 09D 927 750 FS    HW: 09D 927 750 FS
       Component: AL 750 6A           1000  
       Revision: 00H64000    Serial number:               
       Coding: 0000504
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: 8444F016C7445D6F03-80D0
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels:. 4L0-910-517-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 517 A    HW: 4L0 614 517 A
       Component: ESP ALLRAD MK25E1   0130  
       Revision: 00H22001    
       Coding: 0038017
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: A81C84A61BAC590F4F-80FC
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels:. 4F0-910-852.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 852     HW: 4F0 905 852 B
       Component: FBSAUDIC6 ELV   H31 0220  
       Revision: 31050601    Serial number: 10601100667380
       Coding: 0000131
       Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
       VCID: E386D38A220AFA575A-80B6
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 910 131 E
       Component: FBSAUDIC6 EZS   H45 0080
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 910 220 D
       Component: FBSAUDIC6 IDG   H01 0040
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass        Labels: None
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 760     HW: 4L0 959 760 
       Component: Sitzmemory BFS  H01 0100  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000896401
       Coding: 0070752
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: E18AD9823816E84748-80B4
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: None
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 043     HW: 4L0 820 043 F
       Component: KLIMABETAETIGUNGH05 0060  
       Revision: 00---012    Serial number: 00000000097018
       Coding: 0002070
       Shop #: WSC 60992 150 70474
       VCID: E18AD9823816E84748-80B4
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 4F0-910-279.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 279 K    HW: 4F0 907 279 
       Component: ILM Fahrer      H17 0240  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 4F0907279     
       Coding: 0015121
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: B12A69C2287618C798-80E4
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L1 910 113   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer AU716   H12 0080  
       Coding: 00064792
       Shop #: WSC 31414  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4E0 910 557 A  Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
       Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH13 0090  
       Coding: 00150059
       Shop #: WSC 31414  
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 4L0-910-655.lbl
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 655 B    HW: 4L0 959 655 
       Component: 31 AIRBAG AUDI8RH39 0120  
       Revision: 06H39000    Serial number: 0037GD088WAB  
       Coding: 0013105
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: AC1478B60F54752FAB-80F8
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332QSME1F691205E
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342QSME1E471E4DY
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME1D7A1459R
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME1E493E65Y
    
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 63734SME1D6F504DF
    
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63834SME1D6B4C5BM
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 4F0-910-549.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 549     HW: 4F0 953 549 A
       Component: Lenksäulenmodul H08 0230  
       Revision: 00H08000    Serial number: 90054070190657
       Coding: 0002142
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: E680CA9ED1388F7FBD-80B2
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: Lenkradmodul    H06 0030
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 4L0-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 4L0 920 932 D    HW: 4L0 920 932 D
       Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H09 0207  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: EKV51K93A     
       Coding: 035D630408010008020100
       Shop #: WSC 06443 128 42145
       VCID: AD1275B2F44E7C27BC-80F8
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: 4L0-910-105.lbl
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 105     HW: 4L0 815 071 D
       Component: Heizgeraet      H08 0080  
       Revision: 0000000C    Serial number: 00000009014264
       Coding: 0000002
       Shop #: WSC 60992 150 70474
       VCID: E08CDC86331CE14F47-80B4
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 4F0-907-468.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 907 468 M    HW: 4F0 907 468 F
       Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H06 0035  
       Revision: LB100029    Serial number: 2900L102030102
       Coding: 000000
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: B93A51E23006D08720-80EC
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 34: Level Control        Labels: 4L0-910-553.lbl
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 553 F    HW: 4L0 907 553 
       Component: LUFTFDR.-CDC    H03 7750  
       Revision: --H03001    Serial number: 15.1528-0095.2
       Coding: 0015520
       Shop #: WSC 00070 000 00000
       VCID: AD1275B2344E7C27BC-80F8
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: None
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 760     HW: 4L0 959 760 
       Component: Sitzmemory FS   H01 0100  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000896401
       Coding: 0066658
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: E18AD9823816E84748-80B4
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 4L0-910-793-42.lbl
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 793 B    HW: 4L0 959 793 B
       Component: TSG FA          H12 0130  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: xW5
       Coding: 0000715
       Shop #: WSC 53835 000 1048576
       VCID: AF2E6FBA3E420E378E-80FA
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 4L0-910-289.lbl
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 289 H    HW: 4L0 907 289 H
       Component: Komfortgeraet   H09 0100  
       Revision: 0100 ---    Serial number: 01185755840000
       Coding: 4464773
       Shop #: WSC 60992 150 83563
       VCID: B5225DD2DC1E34E7C4-80E0
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 4L0 035 223 F    HW: 4L0 035 223 F
       Component: BOSE G3 Q7    H02 0020  
       Revision: CH002000    Serial number: 00000000000028
       VCID: A5028D92ACBE446774-80F0
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II        Labels: 4F0-910-280.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 280     HW: 4F0 907 280 
       Component: ILM Beifahrer   H10 0080  
       Revision:             Serial number: 00000000219537
       Coding: 0011001
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: DEF0E27E0968D7BF75-808A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 4L0-910-793-52.lbl
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 793 B    HW: 4L0 959 792 B
       Component: TSG BF          H12 0130  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: B
       Coding: 0000715
       Shop #: WSC 53835 000 1048576
       VCID: AF2E6FBA3E420E378E-80FA
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 357 F    HW: 4F0 907 357 F
       Component: AFS 1           H01 0020  
       Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
       Coding: 0000022
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: A91A81A200A6600750-80FC
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A
       Component: AFS-Modul links H06 0002
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A
       Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH06 0002
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 4F0 035 053 K    HW: 4F0 035 053 
       Component: Radio U Basic H45 0074  
       Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 341BQ0A7704283
       Coding: 010003010000000000
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: A5028D92ACBE446774-80F0
    
    3 Faults Found:
    00856 - Radio Antenna 
                007 - Short to Ground
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100111
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 116
                        Mileage: 107771 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.11.08
                        Time: 17:03:13
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Voltage: 13.80 V
    
    02982 - Connection between Radio and Impedance Converter 2 
                011 - Open Circuit
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101011
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 116
                        Mileage: 107771 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.11.08
                        Time: 17:03:11
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Voltage: 13.80 V
    
    03455 - Function Restriction due to Faults in Other Modules 
                000 - -
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 116
                        Mileage: 107771 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.11.08
                        Time: 17:03:22
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000001
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
       Part No SW: 8R1 035 666 L    HW: 8R1 035 666 C
       Component: H-BN-EU       H45 1036  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 205K+0C7556354
       Coding: 18010006020492EF4100BB15EE630000000000020000000002
       Shop #: WSC 06335 123 12345
       VCID: C1CA390258D6884768-8094
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 GH
       Component: EUR 2019/2020  2901 
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4F0 919 604     HW: 4F0 919 604 
       Component: DU7 High  H43 0306 
       Serial number: 9356BQ0A1193236     
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 4L0 919 614 B    HW: 4L0 919 614 B
       Component: E0380 Bedient  H01 0060 
       Serial number: 00000001923326      
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 E
       Component: CD-Database  4949 
    
    3 Faults Found:
    03276 - Please Check Software Version Management 
                000 - -
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 116
                        Mileage: 107771 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.11.08
                        Time: 17:04:30
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Text: DU9356,Front,M,0,0,6                    
    
    03278 - Functionality Limited due to Missing Messages 
                000 - -
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 116
                        Mileage: 107771 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.11.08
                        Time: 17:04:38
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000
                        Bin. Bits: 00000000 00001000
    
    03623 - Invalid Security/Release Code 
                000 - -
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 116
                        Mileage: 107771 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.11.08
                        Time: 17:04:29
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Hex Value: 0x0004
                        Hex Value: 0x0009
                        Count: 7
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 4L0-910-795.lbl
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 795 B    HW: 4L0 959 795 B
       Component: TSG HL          H21 0050  
       Coding: 0000010
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: B12A69C2287618C798-80E4
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02111 - Motor for Window Regulator 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101100
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 116
                        Mileage: 107771 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.11.08
                        Time: 17:03:01
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 69: Trailer        Labels: 4E0-910-383.lbl
       Part No SW: 4E0 910 383 C    HW: 4E0 907 383 C
       Component: ANHAENGERELEKTR 004 0060  
       Coding: 0000001
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: A40490966784BD6F63-80F0
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 4L0-910-441.clb
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 441 B    HW: 4L0 907 441 B
       Component: J772__Rearview      0030  
       Revision: --H05---    Serial number: 525PA8-J18430Q
       Coding: 1030201
       Shop #: WSC 00461 211 186159
       VCID: A5028D926CBE446774-80F0
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 6F: Centr. Conv. II        Labels:. 4L0-910-290.lbl
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 290 A    HW: 4L0 907 290 A
       Component: ILM HINTEN 2    H05 0060  
       Revision: AAH05061    Serial number: 002401078-----
       Coding: 0000775
       Shop #: WSC 53835 000 1048576
       VCID: A6008A9E11B84F7F7D-80F2
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L0 910 591 
       Component: J_245_EE15_SKB09H10 0180
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4L0 910 591 
       Component: J_394_EE15_SKB09H10 0180
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 4L0 910 591 
       Component: J_392_EE15_SKB09H10 0180
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 4L0-910-795.lbl
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 795 B    HW: 4L0 959 794 B
       Component: TSG HR          H21 0050  
       Coding: 0000010
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: B12A69C2287618C798-80E4
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 4Fx-910-283.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 283 G    HW: 4F0 919 283 G
       Component: Parkhilfe 8-Kan H12 0060  
       Revision: 00H12000    Serial number: 06330702014423
       Coding: 0231046
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: A81C84A61BAC590F4F-80FC
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 02:14, VBatt start/end: 14.2V/14.2V)-----------

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    As far as I know changing abs won't accomplish anything, also coding will be the same because of engine and configuration, also it's just the way ceramic brakes behave, if somebody knows more do share.

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    Somehow I doubt that ceramic brakes were ever offered in combination with a V6TDI. This means there may not be a "correct" coding possible for this combination.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Somehow I doubt that ceramic brakes were ever offered in combination with a V6TDI. This means there may not be a "correct" coding possible for this combination.

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    that is exactly my question

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    Quote Originally Posted by m87a View Post
    As far as I know changing abs won't accomplish anything, also coding will be the same because of engine and configuration, also it's just the way ceramic brakes behave, if somebody knows more do share.
    coding can be the same, but the software in the ceramic brake abs units are programmed to "touch" the brake a few times during long drives to keep them from getting real cold.

    My RS5 and the RS6 i owned before the 5 both had ceramic brakes and they both didn't suffer from this problem as bad as my Q7

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