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    Don't know NAR versions specifics, but in Europe those MK4 clusters use to die in more or less similar way. I even haven't tried to repair them, just replaced with used ones from junkyard

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    Failure is one thing sure, however, self editing text from CAP's to Lower case text is an entirely different story no or maybe it's possible you saw that too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Mr. X

    Failure is one thing sure, however, self editing text from CAP's to Lower case text is an entirely different story no or maybe it's possible you saw that too?
    Haven't seen, or, maybe, haven't paid attention. If I see fault codes
    Code:
    01128 - Immobilizer Pickup Coil (D2) 
                35-10 - - - Intermittent
    01176 - Key 
                65-10 - Unauthorized - Intermittent
    and pickup coil and key both are ok, my next step is replace IPC. While they are available at junkyards for relatively low price, I have no reason for deeper investigation.

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    Agreed......but here mileage is no joke.
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    I think we can leave OP with all his responsibilities why and how IPC went out of order.
    From technical point of view IPC is faulty and need to be replaced.
    From legal point of view, how I understand from US law, spare part may be new or used, but original mileage must be saved and transfered to replacement IPC.

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    Yes but in OP use case the odometer reading he states is also FUBAR!

    So it's a matter of disclosure now and verification.

    I look forward to helping just rules to play by that I follow.
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    MartinsX and Jack....while you two are trading what ifs and thens, I had to explain to my wife and daughter what FUBAR meant. Thanks a lot....

    Then I stuck myself with the thick end of needle trying to check the ohms of the immobilizer coil....(Jack Bauer says 24...ohms.)
    I have to get me a few of those T-shaped needles from Joann's. Anyone know the technical term for those little buggers? No fancy piercing probes here.
    Pulled the load reduction rely, tested on the 'ole batteria, and it don't work consistently. Plus I see a fair amount of carbon marking.....smoking gun perhaps?

    There was a mark on the side that said "I don't do CAPS" just sayin...

    OP back at ya

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    Come on you are so close fill out form and provide title copy please.
    What does VCDS say in adv blocks for key status when asking with each key and for all key blocks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinsX View Post
    I think we can leave OP with all his responsibilities why and how IPC went out of order.
    From technical point of view IPC is faulty and need to be replaced.
    This seems likely.

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinsX View Post
    From legal point of view, how I understand from US law, spare part may be new or used, but original mileage must be saved and transfered to replacement IPC.
    My understanding: The law makes deliberate tampering illegal, particularly with the intent to defraud/deceive, but it does not disallow the installation of a used cluster with incorrect mileage, or even a brand new cluster with 0 miles on it. For example, I have a Yamaha motorcycle that had the original cluster replaced at approximately 3000 miles, and there is no provision from the Yamaha to adjust the mileage on them, even when the cluster is brand new. What the dealer did is put a sticker on the inside lid of the "glove box" indicating that the cluster had been replaced and the correct mileage is 3000 more than the odometer indicates. So if a cluster is installed that has the wrong mileage on it, that's OK, but the fact that this has been done must be disclosed at the time the vehicle is sold. Disclosure can be in the form or "The correct mileage is X" or "The correct mileage is unknown".

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    My understanding: The law makes deliberate tampering illegal, particularly with the intent to defraud/deceive, but it does not disallow the installation of a used cluster with incorrect mileage, or even a brand new cluster with 0 miles on it. For example, I have a Yamaha motorcycle that had the original cluster replaced at approximately 3000 miles, and there is no provision from the Yamaha to adjust the mileage on them, even when the cluster is brand new. What the dealer did is put a sticker on the inside lid of the "glove box" indicating that the cluster had been replaced and the correct mileage is 3000 more than the odometer indicates. So if a cluster is installed that has the wrong mileage on it, that's OK, but the fact that this has been done must be disclosed at the time the vehicle is sold. Disclosure can be in the form or "The correct mileage is X" or "The correct mileage is unknown".

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    Yes Uwe, however, it must be disclosed.

    When work is being done by third party or as a professional business, they also have a custodial responsibility and more specifically when it comes to digital odometers & that are after 1994 for verification & by getting a written form on file with proof of ownership.

    We as a professional locksmith or repair shop & are required to adhere to a higher standard of verification threshold for NY state law & which also subordinates CA DMV and SMOG law + federal NHTSA standards.

    Second the OP is looking for immo defeat as a possible option & to save money and that too needs a disclosure on file.

    Personally I'd like to see the OP do Immo defeat & because of cars age that exceeds mechanical limits, plus it will save him money and we get him a cluster that is defaulted or default his possibly or new and he just sets the miles himself transferring any further liability as if he bought the part new at dealer within first 160 miles.

    This car is Immo2 and doesn't display a VIN anyway so it would comport!

    For me it is about verification first in written record and I don't deviate.


    https://www.nhtsa.gov/equipment/odometer-fraud

    THE TOPIC

    Protecting Against Odometer Fraud


    WHO WE ARE

    RELATED TOPIC
    VEHICLE THEFT PREVENTION

    The Office of Odometer Fraud Investigations consists of four regional offices: Northeast, Southeast, Midwest, and Western. Each office is staffed with a criminal investigator and administrative support. The office is tasked with reducing the cost of vehicle ownership by deterring odometer fraud according to Federal laws and requirements.

    HOW TO PROTECT AGAINST ODOMETER FRAUD

    It can be difficult, but not impossible, to detect whether a vehicle’s odometer has been altered. The following is a list of tips to help used-car buyers detect odometer fraud:

    • Ask to see the title and compare the mileage on it with the vehicle’s odometer. Be sure to examine the title closely if the mileage notation seems obscured or is not easy to read.
    • Compare the mileage on the odometer with the mileage indicated on the vehicle’s maintenance or inspection records. Also, search for oil change and maintenance stickers on windows or door frames, in the glove box or under the hood.
    • Check that the numbers on the odometer gauge are aligned correctly. If they’re crooked, contain gaps or jiggle when you bang on the dash with your hand, walk away from the purchase.
    • Examine the tires. If the odometer on your car shows 20,000 or less, it should have the original tires.
    • Look at the wear and tear on the vehicle—especially the gas, brake and clutch pedals—to be sure it seems consistent with and appropriate for the number of miles displayed on the odometer.
    • Request a vehicle history report to check for odometer discrepancies in the vehicle’s history. If the seller does not have a vehicle history report, use the car’s VIN to order a vehicle history report online.
    • If you suspect fraud, contact your State’s enforcement agency.


    HOW TO CONTACT US

    Do you need to file an odometer fraud case with your dealership? Contact NHTSA’s Vehicle Safety Hotline at 888-327-4236 (TTY for individuals with hearing impairments: 800-424-9153).
    Do you need to file an individual odometer fraud case? Contact your State enforcement agency.
    You may also contact the Office of Odometer Fraud Investigations at the following address: Office of Odometer Fraud Investigations, U.S. Department of Transportation / NHTSA, Room W55-301, 1200 New Jersey Avenue SE., Washington, DC, 20590.



    THE TOPIC

    Laws and Regulations


    ODOMETER FRAUD LAWS

    Committing odometer fraud is a crime. The Federal Government passed a law that requires a written disclosure of the mileage registered on an odometer be provided on the title by the seller to the purchaser when the ownership of a vehicle is transferred. If the odometer mileage is incorrect, the law requires a statement to that effect to be furnished on the title to the buyer. However, vehicles 10 years old and older are exempt from the written disclosure requirements.

    DIGITAL ODOMETERS

    Digital odometers that have been tampered with are even harder to detect than traditional mechanical odometers (since they have no visible moving parts). A vehicle’s condition and a detailed history report are the best clues a buyer has for determining whether clocking has occurred.





    NHTSA IN ACTION

    NHTSA is dedicated to promoting the safe use and manufacture of vehicle equipment


    Members of the Office of Odometer Fraud Investigations work to increase public awareness through informative presentations and speeches about the office, its programs, and its relationship with other agencies regarding odometer fraud. These presentations are given to affected groups, including industry members, consumer advocates, and Federal, State, and local agencies. The Office of Odometer Fraud Investigations also works to protect consumers from odometer fraud by specifically assisting consumers with criminal investigations, consumer outreach programs, and public awareness:

    1. Criminal Investigations: Each office conducts odometer fraud investigations for criminal prosecution by the U.S. Department of Justice. Our investigators also assist State agencies that enforce odometer laws and regulations. Office investigations resulted in more than 240 criminal convictions in more than 30 States. Prison sentences ranged from one month to eight years, criminal fines totaled more than $2.8 million, and court-ordered restitutions totaled more than $10 million.
    2. Consumer Outreach Programs: This program provides assistance to consumers who suspect that they have been victimized by odometer fraud and responds to general inquiries and specific questions related to odometer fraud violations. Consumers are provided with information on odometer laws and odometer disclosure requirements if they suspect fraudulent odometer tampering. Consumers are strongly advised to consult a private attorney to determine their legal rights and remedies in the matter. Although we do not have the authority to pursue claims on behalf of consumers, we appreciate any information we receive that may aid our overall law enforcement efforts. To provide information, consumers may call NHTSA’s Vehicle Safety Hotline at 888-327-4236 (TTY for individuals with hearing impairments: 800-424-9153).
    3. Federal/State Partnership: This partnership helps cultivate States’ interest in odometer enforcement by providing the following:
      • Financial Assistance: An essential part of the partnership is generating interest in the enforcement of odometer fraud by providing financial assistance through the Cooperative Reimbursable Agreement. This agreement was implemented to provide Federal assistance to selected State agencies in support of their odometer fraud investigations and prosecutions. Those State agencies that have authority to enforce Federal and/or State odometer laws and regulations qualify for the one-year $30,000 Reimbursable Agreement. The Cooperative Agreement process begins Oct. 1 of each year (the start of the Federal Government’s fiscal year).
      • Training and Education: By request, the office staff members will conduct training on how to identify fraudulent documents and how to identify and investigate odometer fraud cases.
      • Investigative Assistance: The investigators assist State agencies with their investigations that may result in referral for Federal prosecution by the U.S. Department of Justice.




    Last edited by Jack@European_Parts; 11-05-2019 at 12:20 PM.
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