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    Running Very bad... Possible Injector???

    Hi guys I have a 2016 Octavia running very poor. lots of white smoke.
    Looks and sounds very similar to a bad injector......
    When I go into VCDS [01Engine] [Measuring Blocks] is shaded out? Am I doing something wrong or is there another way of viewing injection quantity?

    Full autoscan below



    Code:
    Sunday,06,October,2019,15:20:05:13475
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
    VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Dealer/Shop Name: Jonesy
    
    VIN: TMBBG7NE1G0111121   License Plate: OCTAVIA 
    Mileage: 179008km-111230mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: NE-SK37 (5Q0)
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 44 52 5F
    
    VIN: TMBBG7NE1G0111121   Mileage: 179008km-111230miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (2D2D2-CXXB)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 04L 906 056 CL    HW: 04L 907 445 B
       Component: R4 1.6l TDI   H06 2506  
       Revision: 22004001    
       Coding: 01114012430519090000
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI03004L906056CL 002006
       ROD: EV_ECM16TDI03004L906056_002_VW37.rod
       VCID: 79AFED00095A18FF8E9-802C
    
    1 Fault Found:
    16408 - Actuator Module for Turbocharger 1 
              P00AF 00 [167] - Stuck
              MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 179008 km
                        Date: 2019.10.04
                        Time: 15:17:43
    
                        Engine speed: 1610.00 /min
                        Normed load value: 99.2 %
                        Vehicle speed: 43 km/h
                        Coolant temperature: 80 °C
                        Intake air temperature: 16 °C
                        Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                        Voltage terminal 30: 13.164 V
                        Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                        Turbine actuator 1 bank 1: posit.feedback - Spec.value: 97.21 %
                        Turbine actuator 1 bank 1: posit.feedback - Act.value: 60.46 %
                        Turbine actuator 1 bank 1: posit.feedback - Offset closed: -0.30 %
                        Turbine actuator 1 bank 1: posit.feedback - Uncnd vlt: 2.145 V
                        Accelerator pedal travel: raw value: 65.68 %
    
    Readiness: N/A
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-ESP-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 3Q0 907 379 T    HW: 3Q0 907 379 C
       Component: ESC           H32 0393  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 52705000000661
       Coding: 1A078A911421096D0078060241C4245851289000608224F200430070C002
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00063
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP 034033
       ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP_034_SK37.rod
       VCID: 4BC367C813465A6F6C5-801E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels:| 5G0-907-426.clb
       Part No SW: 5E0 820 047 M    HW: 5E0 820 047 M
       Component: AC Manuell    H05 1202  
       Revision: 00001K07    
       Coding: 01110104000100001000000000400000
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00063
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManueBHBVW37X 003129
       ROD: EV_ACManueBHBVW37X_003.rod
       VCID: 2C010454B6887D5745F-8078
    
       Fresh Air Blower Front: 
    
       Geber für Kältemitteldruck/Kältemitteltemperatur: 
    
    1 Fault Found:
    262914 - Refrigerant Pressure 
              B10AB F0 [009] - Too Low
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 24
                        Mileage: 179003 km
                        Date: 2019.10.03
                        Time: 15:51:04
    
                        Outside air temperature: 14.0 °C
                        Engine speed: 0 /min
                        Compressor current: actual value: 0.000 A
                        Temperature after evaporator: 22.7 °C
                        System run time-Engine running time: 0 s
                        System run time-Terminal 15 on: 255 s
    
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 5Q0-937-08X-MV1.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 AQ    HW: 5Q0 937 084 AL
       Component: BCM MQBAB M   H24 0175  
       Serial number: 01061527300310
       Coding: 0F0008424207005307A04082B10407080000000000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMMQB 015001
       ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_015.rod
       VCID: 074B9BF84FAE7E0F88D-8052
    
       Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5E2 955 119     HW: 5E2 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
       Component: WWS371 150822  041 0570 
       Serial number:         150913035736
       Coding: 065DDD
    
       Sensor For Anti Theft Alarm System: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 171     HW: 5Q0 951 171 
       Component: Sensor, DWA  005 0316 
       Serial number: 000000000ZY152170D5F
    
       Alarm horn: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 605     HW: 5Q0 951 605 
       Component: Sirene, DWA  004 0311 
       Serial number: 00000000000033605408
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 3Q0 959 655 AS    HW: 3Q0 959 655 AS
       Component: Airbag VW20   013 0200  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 003SQPLDBYRG
       Coding: 98CCC000000000005C5400CC008800000065
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20TS6VW48X 001116
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW20TS6VW48X.rod
       VCID: 0F7BB3D827DE264F40D-805A
    
       Side Sensor Driver Front: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 000 210 15
       Component: SideSensor_Df  008 0887 
       Serial number: 3576U0000007178DE61M
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 002 909 15
       Component: SideSensor_Pf  008 0887 
       Serial number: 3586U000000E5398761J
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 802 709 15
       Component: SideSensor_Dr  301 0148 
       Serial number: 3516RD2998508000000A
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 802 709 15
       Component: SideSensor_Pr  301 0148 
       Serial number: 3526R87218108000000Z
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Front Sensor Driver: 
       Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 208 15
       Component: FrontSensor_D  304 0149 
       Serial number: 3556V2DE30C08000000G
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel (J524)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 953 521 L    HW: 5Q0 953 569 A
       Component: Lenks.Modul   075 0195  
       Revision: FF033033    Serial number: 20151010500634
       Coding: 0600
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00063
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB 001015
       ROD: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB.rod
       VCID: 3B23370843E6EAEFDC5-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
       Part No SW: 5E0 920 921 B    HW: 5E0 920 921 B
       Component: KOMBI         123 6420  
       Coding: 272402002100A600010808001000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009046
       ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW37.rod
       VCID: 2313EF68DB56B22FF45-8076
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 AD    HW: 5Q0 907 530 D
       Component: GW MQB Low    126 1223  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 0004039439
       Coding: 030000040F087300EB000048080F00010001050000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 013020
       ROD: EV_GatewLear_013.rod
       VCID: 73B3DF282B3662AFC45-8026
    
       Alternator: 
    
       Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 H    HW: 5Q0 915 181 H
       Component: J367-BDMConti  H02 1011 
       Serial number: 74185704001510100558
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q4 959 393 E    HW: 5Q4 959 393 B
       Component: TSG FS        010 0031  
       Serial number: 0000170391512 
       Coding: 001000208001040100001100
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT 006001
       ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
       VCID: 45D751F03522AC1FBA1-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 S    HW: 5Q0 909 144 R
       Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  125 1063  
       Coding: 0103
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 012140
       ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_012_VW37.rod
       VCID: 44D14CF43E189517ADF-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q4 959 392 E    HW: 5Q4 959 392 B
       Component: TSG BFS       010 0031  
       Serial number: 0000169901283 
       Coding: 001000208001040100001100
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT 006001
       ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
       VCID: 44D14CF43E189517ADF-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:* None
       Part No SW: 5Q0 035 842 A    HW: 5Q0 035 842 A
       Component: MU-S-D-ER     H24 0245  
       Serial number: SKZAZ2R8850053
       Coding: 03730100FF00000011111201008800002F0200C60120010000
       Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00063
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
       ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW41.rod
       VCID: 2D0709508D92745F521-8078
    
       Operating And Display Unit 1: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5E0 919 605 H    HW: 5E0 919 605 H
       Component: ABT_Std-2  H41 1028 
       Serial number: SKZ8Z9RBS00WNZ      
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:17, VBatt start/end: 13.0V/13.1V)-----------

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    The engine ECU on a 2016 Octavia uses the UDS protocol so you need to use [Advanced Measuring Values]

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    👍 thanks for the response

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    Color me confused. The ECU has a fault code telling you that the turbo actuator is stuck. Why do you think the your problem is due to injector(s)?

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    Why no misfire codes?

    Compression check & leak down?

    Fuel PSI leak down?

    Has exhaust manifold ports been measured for temp comparison to quickly isolate a dead cold zyl?

    Is the turbo stuck on or off and is ECU modified with FOD?

    Fuel quality?

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    Thanks Uwe,
    When idling it's extremely rough... Puffing out white smoke. I just want to see injection quantity and rule injector(s) in or out. The Injectors can be done under warranty here if they have failed. 👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Why no misfire codes?

    Compression check & leak down?

    Fuel PSI leak down?

    Has exhaust manifold ports been measured for temp comparison to quickly isolate a dead cold zyl?

    Is the turbo stuck on or off and is ECU modified with FOD?

    Fuel quality?
    JPPSG.....
    Thanks Jack,
    I've seen the mechanical side of these injectors fail before and not throw up misfire codes.

    Il run the few checks you suggest later and report back.👍

    Fuel quality is good.

    I did see the shear off bolts holding the ECU in place had been out before so that might suggest some kind of tampering.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Has exhaust manifold ports been measured for temp comparison to quickly isolate a dead cold zyl?
    Wish I'd thought of that when I had my bad injector. So simple but will be very effective. I have a FLIR IR camera too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonesy View Post
    I just want to see injection quantity and rule injector(s) in or out.
    You do realize that injection quantity cannot really be measured; it is calculated based on their on times and the fuel pressure.

    Your ECU has:
    IDE00472 -- Mean injection quantity

    It also has a plethora of other injection related data in the Advanced Measuring values, but I'm not sure exactly what you want to look at. Type "Inject" into the search/filter box take a look at what's available.

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