2017 Tiguan Limited (NAR) - Cluster Lights On with Parking Lights

vinnie_russo · Sep 21, 2019

Hi Ross-Tech Community:

I just installed an Auto Light Switch on my wife's 2017 Tiguan Limited and I came across an unexpected problem.
The Auto switch works well overall, but it looks like VW set up the Tiguan lighting such that the Instrument Cluster lights do not come on with Parking lights - they only come on when the switch is in the Low Beam On mode.

The reason this is a problem, is that the Auto switch I installed appears to turn on the Parking lights first (at a certain low ambient light level), and then turn on the Low Beam lights at a different low ambient lighting level. The trouble is that there are often times when the Auto switch runs the Parking lights (which is sufficient given the outside visibility), but the Instrument Cluster sensor is dimming the cluster lights to a level that is unusable. So, invariably my wife ends up manually turning the Low Beam lights on, thus defeating the Auto switch.

I installed the Auto switch, because she hardly ever remembers to turn it back off - I coded Central Electronics to turn the lights off with Ignition Off (so we are not killing the battery), but I am trying to conserve the life on the Low Beam bulbs. With the current setup, she ends up driving around day/night with the Low-Beams on...

I drive a MY 2013 GTI and previously owned a MY 2011 Golf 2.5, and have had Euro switches installed on both of these cars. In both of them the Instrument Cluster lights came on with the Parking Lights on, which is how most other cars out there (at least used to be set up).

My understanding is that the 2017 Tiguan Limited, is essentially built on the MK6 Golf platform, I find it odd this feature works differently, but most importantly, I am wondering if anyone here knows if this could be coded to function just like it does in the Golf/GTI.

Please let me know what are some of the thoughts/suggestions from this group - I have browsed the internet, and have seen others reporting this same exact behavior with their Tigs, but did not come across any fix for it yet.

Thank you and below is a scan after the last set of tweak I made on the Tig:

Code:

Tuesday,02,April,2019,20:05:36:39032
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.9.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
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VIN: WVGAV7AX2HK051280   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: AX-VW36 (7N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 4C 52 53 5F 62 72

VIN: WVGAV7AX2HK051280   Mileage: 20960km-13023miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
4C-Tire Pressure II -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine (CCT)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 06J 906 027 KA    HW: 06J 907 309 A
   Component: MED17.5.2 TFSI 2 07 3230  
   Revision: P3H08---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0423010A19070060
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00001
   VCID: 74C9073E172357EAC9-8020

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
   Part No SW: 09G 927 750 PP    HW: 09G 927 750 PP
   Component: AQ 250 6F           3435  
   Revision: 00H97000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000328
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00001
   VCID: 0E3D75D619CF1D3A5F-805A

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 5N0-614-109-C6.clb
   Part No SW: 5N0 614 109 CN    HW: 5N0 614 109 CN
   Component: J104   C6 450M VD9A 0023  
   Revision: --H07---    Serial number: 00000009304224
   Coding: 0005158
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00001
   VCID: 79D7360A30412A829A-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels:| 3C8-907-336.clb
   Part No SW: 561 907 426 F    HW: 561 907 426 F
   Component: AC Manuell    H03 0506  
   Revision: 00001K03    
   Coding: 0010001002
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00009
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManuaElectGen2BHTC 001002
   ROD: EV_ACManuaElectGen2BHTC_VW36.rod
   VCID: 1E1D0596012FADBACF-804A

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 937 084 N    HW: 5K0 937 084 N
   Component: BCM PQ35 B    122 0186  
   Revision: BG122001    
   Coding: EF1A0AB880212EC4000800C1150000E84C81AD86505D8960648020000040
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00001
   VCID: 3D5FE21AA4E9D6A2F6-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N1 955 119 B    HW: 5N1 955 119 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS316 260717  24  0664 
   Coding: 009795

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 655 AB    HW: 5N0 959 655 AB
   Component: J234__005 VW10 HI   5418  
   Revision: 36023000    Serial number: 003MAPHK528Q  
   Coding: 0012341
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00001
   VCID: 7DDF221A246916A2B6-8028

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5N0 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 003 0001

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 0000000000V9T8

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0020.04.170000300000650005ÿ† 63

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 650005ÿ† 6332MTS607022157.ÿ† 63

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 22157.ÿ† 6342MTS610372157/ÿ† 63

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 72157/ÿ† 6351HTS6IPG1OEKRPÿ† 63

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 1OEKRPÿ† 6361HTS6G602OEKJPÿ† 63

   Subsystem 8 - Serial number: 2OEKJPÿ† 63727TS6S26LPEKJ8ÿ† 63

   Subsystem 9 - Serial number: LPEKJ8ÿ† 63827TS6QA0LPEKRHÿ

   Subsystem 10 - Serial number: LPEKRHÿ

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5K0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 501 CL    HW: 5K0 953 569 AJ
   Component: LENKS.MODUL   016 0180  
   Revision: FF010042    Serial number: 20170831300672
   Coding: 5980040000
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00001
   ASAM Dataset: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS A03004
   ROD: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS.rod
   VCID: 76CD3D36C95F45FAF7-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 5N0 920 973 M    HW: 5N0 920 973 M
   Component: KOMBI         H02 1104  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 221F010000
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00058
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A05733
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_005_VW25.rod
   VCID: 3E5DE516A1EFCDBAEF-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 BH    HW: 7N0 907 530 AK
   Component: J533  Gateway H57 1682  
   Revision:   H57       Serial number: 170817F1000283
   Coding: 356022
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00001
   VCID: 77D33032C6553CF2EC-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H02 1104  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00058
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6AF519468DE7911A63-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 701 H    HW: 3C0 959 793 H
   Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0601  
   Revision: 13100010    Serial number: 0011018423
   Coding: 0004FE
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00001
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X A04004
   ROD: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X_VW36.rod
   VCID: 3A55E906BDC7E19AD3-806E

   Slave Driver: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N0 959 703 G    HW: 3C0 959 794 D  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
   Component: J388__TSG-HL  010 1505 
   Serial number: 00000009900480      
   Coding: 0004D8

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 S    HW: 5N1 909 148 K
   Component: J500__APA-BS KL.285 1501  
   Revision: 1BH04843    Serial number: 00172010031301
   Coding: 0000258
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00001
   VCID: 42A591E61D17A95A8B-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 702 H    HW: 3C0 959 792 H
   Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0601  
   Revision: 15100010    Serial number: 0011018901
   Coding: 0004FE
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00001
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X A04004
   ROD: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X_VW36.rod
   VCID: 3B5BEC02B2FDD892C8-806E

   Slave Passenger: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N0 959 704 G    HW: 3C0 959 795 D  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
   Component: J389__TSG-HR  010 1505 
   Serial number: 00000009902269      
   Coding: 0004D8

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 3AA-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 907 801 J    HW: 3AA 907 801 J
   Component: J540 EPB4  VW-63206 0012  
   Revision:   H19       Serial number: 00000000193955
   Coding: 0026156
   Shop #: WSC 29997 003 1048576
   VCID: 3851F30E4BCBF38A25-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-ENT2.clb
   Part No SW: 561 035 150 B    HW: 561 035 150 B
   Component: MU-E--ER      056 7227  
   Serial number: 10071700010291
   Coding: 02130600FF00000041220001001000009F0000140000010000
   Shop #: WSC 00040 028 00001
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE 001032
   ROD: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE_VW12.rod
   VCID: 0C397FDEA7D32F2AB1-8058

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:53)--------------------------

am hoping for some

TBAx · Sep 21, 2019

Hi,

in your instrument cluster (module 17) there is an adaption channel named "Illumination_algorithm-Scale_switching_algorithm". What is it's current value?
You can try the value "lds", which should probably fix your problem.

Uwe · Sep 21, 2019

TBAx said:
in your instrument cluster (module 17) there is an adaption channel named "Illumination_algorithm-Scale_switching_algorithm". What is it's current value?
You can try the value "lds", which should probably fix your problem.

Interesting. I cannot find that in the channel in his cluster. I wonder if it could be this?

ENG141644 -- Scale_dimming_algorithm (Abblendlicht / Nebellicht | Autolicht / Abblendlicht / Nebellicht | Parking light)

-Uwe-

DV52 · Sep 21, 2019

^^^ TBAx's suggestion for ENG125906-ENG126396-Illumination_algorithm-Scale_switching_algorithm is the traditional way for fixing this problem in MQB platform vehicles in US models. In RoW models, the lds setting is factory set.

I had thought that the "odd" behavior of instrument illumination was peculiar to the NAR Golfs and later Tiggys - but OP's post suggests that it's more endemic to cars in the land-of-the-free!

I'm aware that allowing the instrument lights to not illuminate is a brain prompt to the driver to switch-on the headlights in dusk conditions, but is this part of the US road rules?

Don

vinnie_russo · Sep 22, 2019

Thank you all for your individual suggestions.

My wife has been using the car today, and I have not had a chance to test out these theories/suggestion.
However, I plan to do this early tomorrow morning, and I'll post my findings.

Just for clarity though, I want to restate the fact that my own (2) Golfs 2011 2.5L and 2013 GTI, as well as my brother's (2) Golfs, have all been upgraded with Euro switches, and switching the "Parking" lights on turns on the instrument cluster lights - without any special coding.
Those (4) cars all still have the dusk reminder behavior, where the cluster lights gradually dim down to remind drivers to turn on the lights, but the cluster lights come on as soon as the parking lights are switched on (and continue to stay on when the Low-Beams are turned on).
By contrast, the Tig's instrument cluster lights do not turn on until the lights switch is turned to the Low-Beam position. Turning the switch to "parking" lights mode, properly illuminates all the correct lights on the outside of the car, and also the back lighting of the center console controls. It just doesn't turn on the gauges back-lighting... This is the behavior I find very odd.

All these cars I mentioned are NAR vehicles. Researching this issue on line, I stumbled upon a couple of posts where other NAR Tiguan owners mentioned they have experienced the same issue - but no one really had a fix for it.

As I mentioned, I'll try the group suggestions in the morning, but wanted to clarify that this issue is not necessarily a NAR vehicles related issue, but rather a Tiguan (or at least a pre-MQB NAR Tiguan related issue).

Thanks again for all the feedback.

vinnie_russo · Sep 22, 2019

One more thing I forgot to ask or comment on:

So my Tiguan is a 2017 MY, but it is the "Limited" edition, which means it is the pre-MQB body style.
This may be a known fact out there but just in case, in US VW kept selling the "old" body style Tiguan (as the Limited edition) alongside the "new" MQB based Tiguan.
Talking with someone at the dealer, I was told the reason for this is that at that time pretty much the entire lineup of VW vehicles sold in NA were made either in the US or Mexico, and the only car still made in Germany was the older body style Tiguan. So, they wanted to have at least one German made vehicle for sale (just to keep in line with the whole Das Auto marketing strategy). So, the old Tig was kept on the sales floors until the Aerton arrived in the US in 2018 (which at this point is made in Germany), and is now what keeps the lineage intact...

Anyway, that's how our Tig is part of that older body style series, even though it is a 2017 MY.

If I find the ENG141644 -- Scale_dimming_algorithm[/B][/B] (Abblendlicht / Nebellicht | Autolicht / Abblendlicht / Nebellicht | Parking light) adaptation, should I still check its current value and potentially try to set it to "lds". or is that a MQB related setting only?

Thank you.

Uwe · Sep 22, 2019

DV52 said:
^^^ TBAx's suggestion for ENG125906-ENG126396-Illumination_algorithm-Scale_switching_algorithm is the traditional way for fixing this problem in MQB platform vehicles in US models. In RoW models, the lds setting is factory set.

This may be the source of confusion them. The OP's vehicle is not an MQB. The "2017 Tiguan Limited" sold in the US was the old body-style PQ based Tiguan.

-Uwe-

TBAx · Sep 22, 2019

I beg your pardon my fault.

I just looked at the year in the topics title and went with it. :/

Uwe · Sep 22, 2019

vinnie_russo said:
Anyway, that's how our Tig is part of that older body style series, even though it is a 2017 MY.

If I find the ENG141644 -- Scale_dimming_algorithm[/B][/B] (Abblendlicht / Nebellicht | Autolicht / Abblendlicht / Nebellicht | Parking light) adaptation, should I still check its current value and potentially try to set it to "lds". or is that a MQB related setting only?

"lds" will not be an option.

The options will be:

Abblendlicht / Nebellicht (low beams / fog lights)
Autolicht / Abblendlicht / Nebellicht (automatic light / low beams /fog lights)
Parking light

I would start by checking what it's currently set to, but since there are only three choices in total, there's likely little harm in trying the other two.

-Uwe-

vinnie_russo · Sep 22, 2019

Folks:

I experimented with the suggested Lighting Adaptation, and the effort was met with total success! Thank you all for your suggestions and direction.
So, Module-17 did indeed have a lights Adaptation "ENG141644 -- Scale_dimming_algorithm" listed, with the (3) parameter settings available (per Uwe's last post). The factory setting was Autolicht / Abblendlicht / Nebellicht (automatic light / low beams /fog lights), and changing that to the "Parking light" value fixed the problem.

Now, when I manually set the switch to the "Parking" position, as well as when the Auto Switch determines the Parking Lights mode needs to be engaged, the Cluster backlighting comes on, along with all the rest of the instrumentation lighting and the appropriate exterior light.

Thank you all for your time and suggestion. I REALLY appreciate it. In the grand scheme of things, this was a small little feature setting, but it bugged me to no end, so I am really happy there was an easy fix for it.

As a curiosity, before I attempted to make any changes to the Tig, I wanted to level set on this setting by checking the factory value for this Adaptation, on my 2013 GTI. To my surprise, this adaptation was completely missing from the list the GTI... Instead, there was a "IDE11997 -- Scaling_dimming_algorithm" adaptation, but when selected it returned an "ERROR - Channel Not Available" value.

Not sure if that is to be expected or not, but I would have expected Module - 17 on both vehicles to be essentially the same, but they are not.
It seems the Tig version is much, much newer rev HW/FW... for whatever it is worth, below are the details regarding Module - 17 on the 2013 GTI...

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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
Part No SW: 5K6 920 973 C HW: 5K6 920 973 C
Component: KOMBI H05 0705
Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 070F01
Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04716
ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_A04_VW32.rod
VCID: 3753F0328ED5FCFE7B-8062

No fault code found.

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Once again, thank you everyone - problem solved!

Uwe · Sep 22, 2019

Your Tiguan is four model years newer, and the vendor for the cluster is likely different. I'm not at all surprised there are differences.

-Uwe-

2017 Tiguan Limited (NAR) - Cluster Lights On with Parking Lights

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