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    Matt is it fixed yet?

    Remember what i said last night about your logic process?

    If you are in the repair business and you indeed indicated this, you must have the RTFB!

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    I am busy on a bhw today. my fav to fix coolant leaks on.
    i will post a scan as soon as i get back on the NES (never ending story)

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    I am busy on a bhw today. my fav to fix coolant leaks on.
    i will post a scan as soon as i get back on the NES (never ending story)



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    Well Nowback did the customer get fixed yet for Xmas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Well Nowback did the customer get fixed yet for Xmas?
    screwed up my back for xmas so i was laid up for a few weeks. which was a good excuse to relax for the holidays with the family.
    today was the first day that i felt i could twist myself up into the area under that dash to switch back the original parts
    as well as put the fresh new steering control module in and code it
    sadly nothing has improved

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    VIN: 3VWGT81K06M058178   License Plate: JETTA8
    Mileage: 258400km-160562mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72 7D
    
    VIN: 3VWGT81K06M058178   Mileage: 258400km-160562miles
    
    00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    7D-Aux. Heat -- Status: Malfunction 0010
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 038-906-016-BEW.lbl
       Part No SW: 03G 906 016 AC    HW: 028 101 223 9
       Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000DG  7551  
       Revision: --H05---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0F4544963
       Coding: 0050078
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 64CDB5F1A7B3046F23-8030
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
       Part No SW: 02E 300 043     HW: 02E 927 770 AE
       Component: GSG DSG         070 1126  
       Revision: 04507000    Serial number: 00000607070561
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 51A36C25C80181C778-8004
    
    1 Fault Found:
    18036 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                P1628 - 000 - Missing Message from Steering Angle Sensor
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 255
                        Reset counter: 40
                        Mileage: 258402 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
       Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
       Revision: 00H11001    
       Coding: 0021122
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 73EFC6AD125D93D7AA-8026
    
    3 Faults Found:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                000 - -
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 820 047 FJ
       Component: Climatic PQ35   120 0606  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 71E3CCA56841A1C758-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-23-M.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 P    HW: 3C0 937 049 P
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H46 1501  
       Revision: 00H46000    Serial number: 00000000439073
       Coding: 10018E234004150007140000001400000008730B5C0000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 36693FB941AFC6FF4D-8062
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 270906 020  0501  
       Coding: 00038805
       Shop #: WSC 00066  
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
       Component: 6C AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
       Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6D05WCD9  
       Coding: 0013891
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 6CDDDDD14F634C2F6B-8038
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME121A7E74H
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME1251677FG
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HSME0A591B3BH
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HSME0A6362566
    
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 63727SME0A565251.
    
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63827SME0A5F12510
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00588 - Airbag Igniter; Driver Side (N95) 
                001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - MIL ON
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AL    HW: 1K0 953 549 AL
       Component: J0527           057 0070  
       Coding: 0010021
       Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
       VCID: 7CFDED913F03DCAFFB-8028
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 920 853 K    HW: 1K0 920 853 K
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT 3HL 1610  
       Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0F4544963
       Coding: 0023303
       Shop #: WSC 91590 999 52559
       VCID: 326103A9ADC7DADF61-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 H    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: J533__Gateway   H12 0150  
       Revision:   H12       Serial number: 31001068020403
       Coding: 3F3F0B4007001002
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 2C5D1DD18FE38C2F2B-8078
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 57
                        Mileage: 258402 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 00:45:48
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 920 853 K    HW: 1K0 920 853 K
       Component: IMMO            3HL 1610  
       Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0F4544963
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 326103A9ADC7DADF61-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 P    HW: 1K0 959 793 L
       Component: J386  TUER-SG FT    1127  
       Revision: 12007001    Serial number: 00000584968925
       Coding: 0001205
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 3B7F2E8D7A8D1B97B2-806E
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00932 - Electric Window Motor; Drivers Side (V147) 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100101
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 57
                        Mileage: 258402 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
       Part No: 1K1 909 144 L
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.070 H07 1806  
       Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
       VCID: 346D05B157D3D4EF73-8060
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CA    HW: 1K0 959 433 CA
       Component:    KSG PQ35 G2  020 0202  
       Revision: 00020000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 1F900F880106083F0D040F8FB0880F0488FCA0
       Shop #: WSC 00066 123 12345
       VCID: 71E3CCA56841A1C758-8024
    
       Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 P    HW: 1K0 959 792 L
       Component: J387  TUER-SG BT    1127  
       Revision: 12007001    Serial number: 00000563068925
       Coding: 0001204
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 3C7D2D917F831CAFBB-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-161.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 035 161 B    HW: 1K0 035 161 B
       Component: Radio DE2       014 0017  
       Revision: 00014000    Serial number: VWZ4Z7F6166885
       Coding: 0040401
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 1E39C719C95F6EBFB5-804A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 Q    HW: 1K0 959 795 J
       Component: J388   TUER-SG HL   1115  
       Revision: 12004001    Serial number: 00000000298069
       Coding: 0001168
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 3E792799699F0EBF95-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 Q    HW: 1K0 959 794 J
       Component: J389   TUER-SG HR   1115  
       Revision: 12005001    Serial number: 00000000369924
       Coding: 0001168
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 3F875A9D6E9507B79E-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 7D: Aux. Heat        Labels: 1K0-963-235.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 963 235 E    HW: 1K0 963 235 E
       Component: PTC-Element         0404  
       Revision: 00800000    Serial number:               
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2D5B10D5B4F985273C-8078
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00361 - Heater Element for Auxiliary Heater (Z35) 
                014 - Defective
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:10)--------------------------

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    I disagree .....
    Did you change g85 or verify block values yet?
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    I have the original as well as an extra both steering angle sensors give same results
    i will have to check values again but i expect to see what i did before which was 0
    will report back what i find.
    if i remember right i think i was looking in the abs measuring blocks for angle sensing

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    The intermittent no comm to 44 is the big red flashing light that keeps getting my attention.

    For what it's worth, the steering rack is on the powertrain data bus. That's where it gets its steering angle sensor information *IF* it's the style of rack that gets it from the G85 in the clock spring. However, some racks have a G85 integrated into them, making the one in the clockspring superfluous.

    That aside, being that the steering rack is on the same data bus as the engine computer, transmission computer, steering COLUMN control module and ABS/ESP module, sometimes a module itself can corrupt and send junk data onto that data bus and crash communications altogether for most items on that bus.

    FWIW, the comfort system has its own data bus that is separate from the powertrain and there's also an infotainment data bus. 3 separate data buses that get linked together by the CAN Gateway. Generally speaking, if there's a powertrain data bus issue, it almost never affects the other buses.

    Being that the communications with the J500/0x44/steering rack are iffy at best, I'd at least start by checking the connector under the driver side headlight, which is for data bus to the rack. Unplug it, check for corrosion or other signs of damage to the wires. The main power and ground for the rack are also in the area and they're pretty easy to trace. They wrap in with the data bus wires going to the rack.

    If all that checks out, it might just be that it simply needs a new rack, which is something Jack suggested numerous times early on in the post. Not the COLUMN control module, the whole dang steering rack with the tie rods and everything that actually do the physical steering to the wheels.

    Going on the bit of information we have here, if I were to get out the parts cannon and make a guess, I'd try replacing the steering rack, then go through and recode as required and recalibrate the G85 and re-evaluate.

    Or, if you really wanted to get deep into diagnostics, use an oscilloscope on the powertrain CAN to see what the waveform looks like. Then recheck if it changes significantly with the rack unplugged (again, easy to get to plug near the driver side headlight on the frame rail).

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    The OP has a list of FOD to check and still has not confirmed the rack.

    Either the rack is wrong & according to scan indeed was wrong in microfiche, the SAS he has now is bad or not adapted.

    It's that simple.....don't digress after four years doing the same wrong shit with FOD methods. Install all correct parts, verify what has been asked & piece by piece!
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    I managed to check for steering angle value changes in measuring blocks and as i expected its 0.00 and does not change with steering wheel movement
    starting to think the sas is bad.
    maybe both of the ones i have here suffer from what jack has been hammering me with from the beginning FOD forked these sensors ...
    now that its a good solid -30 C here dipping to -35C at night which appears to be here for the next couple weeks,
    the time spend working in the big shop will be limited, cost to heat is crazy when its this cold
    i will attempt to acquire a working or new sas and give that a go.

    dieseldub I appreciate your input and will check those connectors for any issues.
    as for changing the rack i dont believe that is where the problem lies .
    there is definitely a problem with the original steering control module or what you called the COLUMN control module
    because even at this point if the original control module is installed back into the car the original problem of items being
    shut down returns , with the new module installed the original problem is gone.
    out of curiosity i am tempted to install the original steering control module and see if steering angles sensing returns now that
    the original power distribution module has been returned to the car..

    as long as its crazy cold here i might have to paint a wall or something rather than venture out of the house

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