2009 Audi A4 (B8) p2404 recurring problem

fatmattyd · Sep 1, 2019

Hi there - newbie here to the forums.

Picked up a hex-v2 VCDS scanner in an attempt to diagnose my son's 2009 A4 2.0T quattro.

We've had a recurring issue with a p2404 problem, and finally punted to the dealer to fix. The dealer was convinced it was the wiring for the leak detection pump (corroded) and the leak detection pump itself.
Dealer repaired the wiring and replaced the LDP. About 3 days later the p2404 came back, this time the dealer diagnosed and replaced the charcoal canister, said it was full of fuel.
About 3 days later, the p2404 came back. When I called to complain, the service manager assured me there were many components that could go wrong in the EVAP system on this car, and they'd be happy to continue to work on it, just more money and time! So here I am.

Unfortunately, after reading the code with my simple reader, I cleared it out and it hasn't come back yet (3 days ago). I got the VCDS in the mail the other day, so had a change to pull a complete auto scan from the car 2 days ago (attached).
This auto-scan doesn't have the issue showing up yet because the EVAP readiness flag hasn't been set in the ECU yet, it seems.

I've been searching the forums to get an idea of what's next to check - seems there is quite a lot of info on different models, but I suspect many of the diagnostic steps are similar.
I ordered a 3-day subscription to erwin, really only needed 1 day (30 minutes would have been fine probably). I also ordered an online manual on CD from Bentley publishing, but it only runs under WindowsXP (needed to fire up a virtual machine for that).

Found this info on the p2404 code:
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/18836/P2404/009220

Anything else I need to look at at this point, before I can run another full auto-scan for this problem? Worth testing the N80? It looks like a major PITA to replace this without taking off the intake manifold.

Thank you!

-Matt

Full auto-scan here (not showing p2404 issue yet):

Code:

Saturday,31,August,2019,18:29:28:64242
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
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VIN: WAULF78K39N062404   License Plate: 
Mileage: 182240km-113238mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 8K-AU48 (8T0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 46 47 52 53 56 62 65 72

VIN: WAULF78K39N062404   Mileage: 182240km-113238miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (DL0MA-CAEB)       Labels:| 06H-907-115-CAB.clb
   Part No SW: 8K2 907 115 AL    HW: 8K2 907 115 D
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TF H14 0001  
   Revision: E1H14---    
   Coding: 0104010A190F0160
   Shop #: WSC 06133 444 122352
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AL 001001
   ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AL.rod
   VCID: 79AFED4BF956FDEF8D7-802C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0101

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0B6-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 927 158 C    HW: 0B6 927 156 
   Component: 0B6 20TFSIUSA H04 0050  
   Revision: --H04---    
   Coding: 001002
   Shop #: WSC 02145 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL651 A01004
   ROD: EV_TCMAL651.rod
   VCID: 3635267788C8D297205-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8K0-907-379-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 AF    HW: 8K0 907 379 AF
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H04 0210  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 150500
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 7DA7F95BEDFEC1CFA1F-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 F    HW: 8K0 907 064 F
   Component: BCM2 1.1      H80 0145  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 090100
   Shop #: WSC 02399 823 56573
   VCID: 33331F639B3AC7BF07B-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 A    HW: 8T0 959 754 A
   Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H37 0060 
   Serial number: 0509000004863008    

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
   Component: ELVAUDIB8  H36 0041 
   Serial number: 0208000113912014    

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8T1 820 043 AA    HW: 8T1 820 043 AA
   Component: KLIMA 1 ZONE  H06 0150  
   Revision: A1000000    Serial number: 01090220090941
   Coding: 64002000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 70B9D06FAAACBCA73A9-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 D    HW: 8K0 907 063 D
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H22 0253  
   Revision: 05022001    Serial number: 00000000310293
   Coding: 690000B1063C00010000080300007F5F0F14520800000001000000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 3039106F6A2CFCA77A9-8064

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K1 955 119 A    HW: 8T1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS 230109  H06 0070 
   Serial number: SWF09010236757      
   Coding: 00FD11

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 T    HW: 8K0 941 531 T
   Component: E1 - LDS  H07 0080 
   Serial number: 00000000002901091977

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:* 8K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 F    HW: 8K0 959 655 F
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H27 0410  
   Serial number: 0039KD14UMGW  
   Coding: 303836354230303030304A55304C384B3053
   Shop #: WSC 02135 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 A02007
   ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_A02.rod
   VCID: 40D940AFDA0C6C278A9-8014

   Seat occupied recognition: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 339 B    HW: 8K0 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H01 0030 
   Serial number: 5810000R0900003H3T

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6334MSME457170052

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6344MSME4572410A7

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6352QSME762317069

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6362QSME42170A226

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 63732SME1B221D22X

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 63832SME11162512J

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 F    HW: 8K0 953 568 F
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H15 0013  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 90304IB60001U 
   Coding: 000014
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 3D27395BAD7E01CFE1F-8068

   Component: E221 - MFL  H02 0003 

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 920 950 A    HW: 8K0 920 950 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H18 0224  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 9DR11T229     
   Coding: 831209000304D705020000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 2D07091B7D1E914F51F-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 M    HW: 8T0 907 468 H
   Component: GW-BEM 5CAN   H06 0095  
   Revision: GB300043    Serial number: 4300G0913000B5
   Coding: 000303
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 4BC36783E3CABF7F6FB-801E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 B    HW: 8K0 915 181 B
   Component: J367-BDM  H04 0150 
   Serial number: 190623E8150109      

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 D    HW: 8K0 959 793 D
   Component: TSG FA        H11 0250  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000008399442 
   Coding: 011C03204000410001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 41DF45ABD186652F857-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 F    HW: 8K0 907 064 F
   Component: BCM2 1.1      H80 0145  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0116980748    
   Coding: 0106063A007A000400B001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 33331F639B3AC7BF07B-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H03 1301 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591     HW: 8K0 959 591 
   Component: J245 PS034  H06 0037 

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-ASC.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 035 223 AB    HW: 8T0 035 223 
   Component: DSP STD       H07 0220  
   Revision: S2100000    
   Coding: 0203010101
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 6E85CE17B098AA57285-803A

2 Faults Found:
00417 - Left Front DSP Mid-Bass Speaker (R101) 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 87
                    Mileage: 181784 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.13
                    Time: 16:47:55

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 12.50 V
                    Temperature: 39.0°C
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000

00418 - Front Right DSP Mid-Bass Speaker (R102) 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 87
                    Mileage: 181784 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.13
                    Time: 16:47:55

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 12.50 V
                    Temperature: 39.0°C
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 D    HW: 8K0 959 792 D
   Component: TSG BF        H11 0250  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000008365904 
   Coding: 011C03204000410001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 40D940AFDA8C6C278A9-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 G    HW: 8K0 907 801 G
   Component: EPB Audi B8   H08 0080  
   Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 00000000307010
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 33331F639B3AC7BF07B-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 8Tx-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 035 186 R    HW: 8T1 035 186 R
   Component: Con3 Sirius   H01 0301  
   Revision: 00000003    Serial number: AUZ5Z6I1177073
   Coding: 05020000010105004119070000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 46D556B7F8A84217B05-8012

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 A    HW: 8T0 919 603 A
   Component: Display  

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 33
                    Mileage: 181784 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.13
                    Time: 16:36:28


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 4F0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 N    HW: 8K0 959 795 C
   Component: TSG HL        H10 0251  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000100697844 
   Coding: 010C03204000210001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 44D14CBFCE947007AE1-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure (J502)       Labels: 8K0-907-273.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 273 A    HW: 8K0 907 273 A
   Component: J502-RDK      H03 0250  
   Revision: 00001001    Serial number: 13140790109164
   Coding: 0CD154
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 3039106F6A2CFCA77A9-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 4F0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 N    HW: 8K0 959 795 C
   Component: TSG HR        H10 0251  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000100697834 
   Coding: 010C03204000210001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 44D14CBFCE947007AE1-8010

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:22, VBatt start/end: 12.2V/12.2V)-----------

Jack@European_Parts · Sep 1, 2019

Hello and welcome to the VCDS forum.

Mileage: 182240km-113238miles
Vehicle Identification No. WAULF78K39N062404

2009 Audi A4 (B8) p2404 recurring problem
Hi there - newbie here to the forums.

Picked up a hex-v2 VCDS scanner in an attempt to diagnose my son's 2009 A4 2.0T quattro.

We've had a recurring issue with a p2404 problem, and finally punted to the dealer to fix. The dealer was convinced it was the wiring for the leak detection pump (corroded) and the leak detection pump itself.
Dealer repaired the wiring and replaced the LDP. About 3 days later the p2404 came back, this time the dealer diagnosed and replaced the charcoal canister, said it was full of fuel.
About 3 days later, the p2404 came back. When I called to complain, the service manager assured me there were many components that could go wrong in the EVAP system on this car, and they'd be happy to continue to work on it, just more money and time! So here I am.

Unfortunately, after reading the code with my simple reader, I cleared it out and it hasn't come back yet (3 days ago). I got the VCDS in the mail the other day, so had a change to pull a complete auto scan from the car 2 days ago (attached).
This auto-scan doesn't have the issue showing up yet because the EVAP readiness flag hasn't been set in the ECU yet, it seems.

I've been searching the forums to get an idea of what's next to check - seems there is quite a lot of info on different models, but I suspect many of the diagnostic steps are similar.
I ordered a 3-day subscription to erwin, really only needed 1 day (30 minutes would have been fine probably). I also ordered an online manual on CD from Bentley publishing, but it only runs under WindowsXP (needed to fire up a virtual machine for that).

Found this info on the p2404 code:
HTML Code:
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/18836/P2404/009220
Anything else I need to look at at this point, before I can run another full auto-scan for this problem? Worth testing the N80? It looks like a major PITA to replace this without taking off the intake manifold.

Thank you!

-Matt

Model audi a4 qu. 2,0
A4
Date of production 18.02.2009
Model year 2009
Sales type 8K256L
Engine Code CAEB
Transmission Code LML
Emission standard 7GB Emission standard ULEV 2

Are you aware that this car is under useful life warranty for free diagnosis and repair?

Did you JPPSG?

Did you pay for these repairs and can you post the invoice if you did or for the description of how the LDP was corroded as aforementioned?

Has the N80 been changed or verified for being stuck open?

Did dealer explain why charcoal canister would be saturated with fuel?

What's the condition of gas cap or o-ring seal?

Zenerdiode · Sep 1, 2019

You can force Readiness tests on this engine by going to Basic Settings and run the 'Automatic Test Sequence' from the drop-down.

Jack@European_Parts · Sep 1, 2019

If it were me I would run tests manually as Dr. Z aforementioned in VCDS & use a mighty vac tester to qualify each zone or device, no?

fatmattyd · Sep 1, 2019

Jack@European_Parts said:
Hello and welcome to the VCDS forum.

Are you aware that this car is under useful life warranty for free diagnosis and repair?

Did you JPPSG?

Did you pay for these repairs and can you post the invoice if you did or for the description of how the LDP was corroded as aforementioned?

Has the N80 been changed or verified for being stuck open?

Did dealer explain why charcoal canister would be saturated with fuel?

What's the condition of gas cap or o-ring seal?

Jack - thank you for your prompt reply!

I'm not aware of this - in fact, I'm not really sure what it means.
I did review the JPPSG, and in re-reviewing it now, realize I've left out quite a lot of detail. My apologies.
I appreciate your knowledge, experience, and willingness to help others. I'll try to be more complete.

The car is all stock, except for the headlights and an exhaust resonator delete pipe.

The dealer (Audi of South Burlington) did the repairs to the LDP and it's wiring, and the charcoal canister. I did pay for both repairs and I'll see if I can get them scanned in and posted.
Audi didn't specifically say why the charcoal canister was full of fuel, but said that topping off the fuel tank could cause this if done over the life of the car.

I should also mention that in addition to the p2404, we were having an issue with the car not being able to receive fuel. The fuel pump would repeatedly cut off as it if was full, even though we knew it wasn't (cut-off every gallon or so).
This issue appears to have been addressed, but the pump must be placed at the correct angle to pump fuel.

The N80 has not been changed to my knowledge, nor has it been tested yet that I'm aware of.

I am not aware of the condition of the gas cap seal, but can check that as well.

Zenerdiode - I was not aware that VCDS can do that, I'll give it a shot. Interesting that the dealer explained that with Vermont's new inspection laws, they are not able to make repairs and then run inspection before this readiness bit is reset. They explained the only way this (readiness bit) could be reset was to drive the car (several key cycles and 50-100 miles, in their words). Thank you!

-Matt

fatmattyd · Sep 1, 2019

Jack@European_Parts said:
If it were me I would run tests manually as Dr. Z aforementioned in VCDS & use a mighty vac tester to qualify each zone or device, no?

I've got a mitivac - will look into this.
Still new to the VCDS - will research how to run the individual tests.

Thank you both for your replies!
-Matt

Jack@European_Parts · Sep 1, 2019

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/18836/P2404/009220

Been there yet?

fatmattyd · Sep 1, 2019

Yes - I attempted to link that site in my original post, but believe I used the wrong tags.

Very helpful. seems like I'm down to the N80 valve and leak checking.

I was hoping to have VCDS do a specific test before diving into the leak checking, but I'll look up the N80 test procedure.

Thanks again.

Is there an acceptable method of payment that folks can use?
Could I were to ship you a yeast sample from VT?

fatmattyd · Sep 1, 2019

Trying this out now - I don't see 'Basic Settings' in the VCDS home screen, or any child screen:

Under 'ODB-II' I see 'Mode 1-01 Readiness', which outputs this data:

Code:

Sunday,01,September,2019,18:50:12:64242
VCDS Release 19.6.1 (x64):  Generic OBD2
Mode 01 - PID 01 : Readiness  --  Address 7E8

Number of DTCs stored: 0  --  MIL Status: MIL OFF
Misfire monitoring:  Passed
Fuel System:  Passed
Comprehensive Components:  Passed
Catalyst monitoring:  Passed
Heated catalyst monitoring: Not installed.
Evaporative system monitoring:  Failed or Incomplete
Secondary air system monitoring: Not installed.
A/C system refrigerant monitoring: Not installed.
Oxygen sensor monitoring:  Passed
Oxygen sensor heater monitoring:  Passed
Exhaust Gas Recirculation:  Passed

The 'ODB-II' -> 'Mode 9 Vehicle Info' readout is:

Code:

Sunday,01,September,2019,18:54:17:64242
VCDS Release 19.6.1 (x64):  Generic OBD2
Mode 9 : Calibration Identification

Type 02 - VIN : WAULF78K39N062404 (Address E8)
Type 04 - Calibration ID : 8K2907115ALQ0001 (Address E8)
Type 04 - Calibration ID : 8K0927158C  0050 (Address E9)
Type 06 - Calibration Verification Number : CC36E0B0 (Address E8)
Type 06 - Calibration Verification Number : A5BC9964 (Address E9)
Type 08 - In-use performance tracking :
    OBD Monitoring Conditions Encountered count : 2722
    Ignition cycle count : 9538
    Conditions completion count / Specified conditions encountered count
         Catalyst monitor bank 1 : 3344 / 2686
         Catalyst monitor bank 2 : 0 / 0
         O2 Sensor monitor bank 1 : 3581 / 2722
         O2 Sensor monitor bank 2 : 0 / 0
         EGR-VVT monitor : 7724 / 2722
         AIR monitor : 0 / 0
         EVAP monitor : 602 / 339
         Secondary O2 Sensor monitor bank 1 : 4292 / 2719
         Secondary O2 Sensor monitor bank 2 : 0 / 0
Type 0A - Controller Name : ECM-EngineControl (Address E8)
Type 0A - Controller Name : TCM-TransmisCtrl (Address E9)

Under 'Applications' I don't see anything that appears to be related to 'Readiness'.

Thanks again!
-Matt

fatmattyd · Sep 1, 2019

OK - my apologies guys.

Under 'Select Control Module' -> '01-Engine' -> 'Basic Settings - 04' -> The 'VCDS Basic Settings' screen is shown.

There is an 'Automatic test sequence' option under the drop-down, but this stops with "Aborted Safety Reasons | ERROR".

Not sure what I'm doing wrong here.

Thanks again!
-Matt

Jack@European_Parts · Sep 1, 2019

Is there an acceptable method of payment that folks can use?
Could I were to ship you a yeast sample from VT?

Nope, here I prostitute questions for free, now don't I & why didn't you read the entire JPPSG thread?

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0101

Sunday,01,September,2019,18:50:12:64242
VCDS Release 19.6.1 (x64): Generic OBD2
Mode 01 - PID 01 : Readiness -- Address 7E8

Number of DTCs stored: 0 -- MIL Status: MIL OFF
Misfire monitoring: Passed
Fuel System: Passed
Comprehensive Components: Passed
Catalyst monitoring: Passed
Heated catalyst monitoring: Not installed.
Evaporative system monitoring: Failed or Incomplete
Secondary air system monitoring: Not installed.
A/C system refrigerant monitoring: Not installed.
Oxygen sensor monitoring: Passed
Oxygen sensor heater monitoring: Passed
Exhaust Gas Recirculation: Passed

This is readiness for EVAP & LDP in red.
This is readiness for CAT in orange
A question......... does your car still report a CAT as not ready on VAG side & if you go and scan it or is it ready now?

Type 02 - VIN : WAULF78K39N062404 (Address E8)
Type 04 - Calibration ID : 8K2907115ALQ0001 (Address E8)
Type 04 - Calibration ID : 8K0927158C 0050 (Address E9)

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Address 01: Engine (DL0MA-CAEB) Labels:| 06H-907-115-CAB.clb
Part No SW: 8K2 907 115 AL HW: 8K2 907 115 D
Component: 2.0l R4/4V TF H14 0001

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217) Labels:| 0B6-927-156.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 927 158 C HW: 0B6 927 156
Component: 0B6 20TFSIUSA H04 0050

Did you ask the dealer why they didn't do firmware updates or revisions of EVAP or LDP responsibilities or as per their own TSB's & for free under useful life warranty?

Are you in the spirit of useful life yet or should I pull up the conformity applications to help with a comprehensive parts identified and warranty items listed?

OK - my apologies guys.

Under 'Select Control Module' -> '01-Engine' -> 'Basic Settings - 04' -> The 'VCDS Basic Settings' screen is shown.

There is an 'Automatic test sequence' option under the drop-down, but this stops with "Aborted Safety Reasons | ERROR".

Not sure what I'm doing wrong here.

Thanks again!
-Matt

Did you run the tests at the right time & as per the RTFB?

Test Group 9ADXV02.03UB

Do you see what you made me do now? :rolleyes:

Are you going to look into getting reimbursed for negligence yet?

https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=19527&flag=1

Other fun thread's huh?
https://forums.ross-tech.com/showth...006-with-EVAP-problem-(P2404)&highlight=P2404

https://forums.ross-tech.com/showth...se-Circuit-Implausible-Signal&highlight=P2404

fatmattyd · Sep 1, 2019

Just went back and re-read much of that thread. Quite a lot in there. I clearly have some catch-up to do.

Couple of things though...

Re-scan:

Code:

Sunday,01,September,2019,22:09:50:64242
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WAULF78K39N062404   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 8K-AU48 (8T0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 46 47 52 53 56 62 65 72

VIN: WAULF78K39N062404   Mileage: 182280km-113263miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (DL0MA-CAEB)       Labels:| 06H-907-115-CAB.clb
   Part No SW: 8K2 907 115 AL    HW: 8K2 907 115 D
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TF H14 0001  
   Revision: E1H14---    
   Coding: 0104010A190F0160
   Shop #: WSC 06133 444 122352
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AL 001001
   ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AL.rod
   VCID: 79AFED4BF956FDEF8D7-802C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0100

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0B6-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 927 158 C    HW: 0B6 927 156 
   Component: 0B6 20TFSIUSA H04 0050  
   Revision: --H04---    
   Coding: 001002
   Shop #: WSC 02145 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL651 A01004
   ROD: EV_TCMAL651.rod
   VCID: 3635267788C8D297205-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8K0-907-379-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 AF    HW: 8K0 907 379 AF
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H04 0210  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 150500
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 7DA7F95BEDFEC1CFA1F-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 F    HW: 8K0 907 064 F
   Component: BCM2 1.1      H80 0145  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 090100
   Shop #: WSC 02399 823 56573
   VCID: 33331F639B3AC7BF07B-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 A    HW: 8T0 959 754 A
   Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H37 0060 
   Serial number: 0509000004863008    

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
   Component: ELVAUDIB8  H36 0041 
   Serial number: 0208000113912014    

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8T1 820 043 AA    HW: 8T1 820 043 AA
   Component: KLIMA 1 ZONE  H06 0150  
   Revision: A1000000    Serial number: 01090220090941
   Coding: 64002000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 70B9D06FAAACBCA73A9-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 D    HW: 8K0 907 063 D
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H22 0253  
   Revision: 05022001    Serial number: 00000000310293
   Coding: 690000B1063C00010000080300007F5F0F14520800000001000000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 3039106F6A2CFCA77A9-8064

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K1 955 119 A    HW: 8T1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS 230109  H06 0070 
   Serial number: SWF09010236757      
   Coding: 00FD11

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 T    HW: 8K0 941 531 T
   Component: E1 - LDS  H07 0080 
   Serial number: 00000000002901091977

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:* 8K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 F    HW: 8K0 959 655 F
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H27 0410  
   Serial number: 0039KD14UMGW  
   Coding: 303836354230303030304A55304C384B3053
   Shop #: WSC 02135 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 A02007
   ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_A02.rod
   VCID: 40D940AFDA0C6C278A9-8014

   Seat occupied recognition: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 339 B    HW: 8K0 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H01 0030 
   Serial number: 5810000R0900003H3T

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6334MSME457170052

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6344MSME4572410A7

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6352QSME762317069

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6362QSME42170A226

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 63732SME1B221D22X

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 63832SME11162512J

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 F    HW: 8K0 953 568 F
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H15 0013  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 90304IB60001U 
   Coding: 000014
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 3D27395BAD7E01CFE1F-8068

   Component: E221 - MFL  H02 0003 

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 920 950 A    HW: 8K0 920 950 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H18 0224  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 9DR11T229     
   Coding: 831209000304D705020000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 2D07091B7D1E914F51F-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 M    HW: 8T0 907 468 H
   Component: GW-BEM 5CAN   H06 0095  
   Revision: GB300043    Serial number: 4300G0913000B5
   Coding: 000303
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 4BC36783E3CABF7F6FB-801E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 B    HW: 8K0 915 181 B
   Component: J367-BDM  H04 0150 
   Serial number: 190623E8150109      

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 D    HW: 8K0 959 793 D
   Component: TSG FA        H11 0250  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000008399442 
   Coding: 011C03204000410001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 41DF45ABD186652F857-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 F    HW: 8K0 907 064 F
   Component: BCM2 1.1      H80 0145  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0116980748    
   Coding: 0106063A007A000400B001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 33331F639B3AC7BF07B-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H03 1301 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591     HW: 8K0 959 591 
   Component: J245 PS034  H06 0037 

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-ASC.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 035 223 AB    HW: 8T0 035 223 
   Component: DSP STD       H07 0220  
   Revision: S2100000    
   Coding: 0203010101
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 6E85CE17B098AA57285-803A

2 Faults Found:
00417 - Left Front DSP Mid-Bass Speaker (R101) 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 127
                    Mileage: 181784 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.13
                    Time: 16:47:55

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 12.50 V
                    Temperature: 39.0°C
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000

00418 - Front Right DSP Mid-Bass Speaker (R102) 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 127
                    Mileage: 181784 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.13
                    Time: 16:47:55

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 12.50 V
                    Temperature: 39.0°C
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 D    HW: 8K0 959 792 D
   Component: TSG BF        H11 0250  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000008365904 
   Coding: 011C03204000410001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 40D940AFDA8C6C278A9-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 G    HW: 8K0 907 801 G
   Component: EPB Audi B8   H08 0080  
   Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 00000000307010
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 33331F639B3AC7BF07B-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 8Tx-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 035 186 R    HW: 8T1 035 186 R
   Component: Con3 Sirius   H01 0301  
   Revision: 00000003    Serial number: AUZ5Z6I1177073
   Coding: 05020000010105004119070000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 46D556B7F8A84217B05-8012

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 A    HW: 8T0 919 603 A
   Component: Display  

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 33
                    Mileage: 181784 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2019.08.13
                    Time: 16:36:28


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 4F0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 N    HW: 8K0 959 795 C
   Component: TSG HL        H10 0251  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000100697844 
   Coding: 010C03204000210001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 44D14CBFCE947007AE1-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure (J502)       Labels: 8K0-907-273.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 273 A    HW: 8K0 907 273 A
   Component: J502-RDK      H03 0250  
   Revision: 00001001    Serial number: 13140790109164
   Coding: 0CD154
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 3039106F6A2CFCA77A9-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 4F0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 N    HW: 8K0 959 795 C
   Component: TSG HR        H10 0251  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000100697834 
   Coding: 010C03204000210001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 44D14CBFCE947007AE1-8010

No fault code found.

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Engine readiness now showing Catalytic converter as passed.
I think it's just the EVAP stuff showing up (couple of speaker issues too).

I've seen and read through both ross-tech pages - tons of helpful info in there.
I also read through a bunch of the pages of the epa link that you sent - am I correct in understanding that many of the provisions of the emissions warranty should be in effect for 120k miles? I was under the (apparently false) impression that we were only covered by an 8yr/80k mile warranty. The way I'm reading that EPA certification would suggest otherwise. I'm starting to think I'm going to get some money back and the dealer should be on the hook to fix all of this, gratis.

Did I miss something?

Very much appreciated.
-Matt

fatmattyd · Sep 1, 2019

Forgot to ask about The Fine Book.

I ordered a Bentley Publishers Manual for the Audi A4 - is this the right fine book?
It seems much less useful than simply ordering 24-hour access to Erwin.
The Bentley Manual I got on CD only runs under Windows XP, which required me to spin up a virtual machine to try. The interface seems a bit clunky and not any better info than the erwin manuals.

What am I missing?

Thank you again, I do appreciate the help.

Jack@European_Parts · Sep 1, 2019

Looks like you're starting to ask yourself the right questions and getting spiritual, huh? :rolleyes:

Did you ever read the automatic extensions of useful life warranty & that takes EVAP related fault's to 15/150 when certified as such too & under US CFR Title 40 not just CARB & would that than imply the vehicle is certified this way & in all 50 US States? :rolleyes:

I just love the holidays and the smell of an instrument FOI that displays self evident truths, don't you?

I know I can be a total asshole but are you not glad I asked these incendiary questions to ask yourself?

fatmattyd · Sep 1, 2019

Jack@European_Parts said:
Looks like you're starting to ask yourself the right questions and getting spiritual, huh?

Did you ever read the automatic extensions of useful life warranty & that takes EVAP related fault's to 15/150 when certified as such too & under US CFR Title 40 not just CARB & would that than imply the vehicle is certified this way & in all 50 US States?

I just love the holidays and the smell of an instrument FOI that displays self evident truths, don't you?

I know I can be a total asshole but are you not glad I asked these incendiary questions to ask yourself?

I never did read that material. And should have! 15/150 is something else, I'm thinking I'm going to be getting some cabbage back, and the remaining issues be covered to fix this issue!
I might just print out all 65 pages of that epa document to bring in with me to Audi on Tuesday.

Thank you very much for your help!

Jack@European_Parts · Sep 2, 2019

Thank you very much for your help!

What did I do but merely ask the right questions?
Are you not glad you thought of it or about it? :rolleyes:

They say "the mind is a terrible thing to waste", but so is the use of the ability to ask questions or use question marks, huh?

Let me post this new question via long run on sentence, okay?

If the car required firmware updates and you were to be made to pay for AECD's that are supposed to be allegedly under warranty as defined in that aforementioned document you surmised on your own & even by means of unwittingly maybe alleged FRAUD & those instruments filed with the US Government or carry over by means of CARB, wouldn't "any" subsequent failure or vicarious failure of any OBD2 component that could be damaged, & resulted in the release of uncontrolled or remediated GHG or MIL, than indeed would be covered according to the CAA, no?

Holy shit right?
I just love to ask questions don't you?

fatmattyd · Sep 2, 2019

Jack@European_Parts said:
What did I do but merely ask the right questions?
Are you not glad you thought of it or about it?

They say "the mind is a terrible thing to waste", but so is the use of the ability to ask questions or use question marks, huh?

Let me post this new question via long run on sentence, okay?

If the car required firmware updates and you were to be made to pay for AECD's that are supposed to be allegedly under warranty as defined in that aforementioned document you surmised on your own & even by means of unwittingly maybe alleged FRAUD & those instruments filed with the US Government or carry over by means of CARB, wouldn't "any" subsequent failure or vicarious failure of any OBD2 component that could be damaged, & resulted in the release of uncontrolled or remediated GHG or MIL, than indeed would be covered according to the CAA, no?

Holy shit right?
I just love to ask questions don't you?

I am definitely glad this whole line dialog has occurred.

After reviewing most of the documents over the last 12 hours or so, I don't see any reason why this shouldn't have been covered. That said, I fully expect Audi to push back on my request for a full refund for previous repairs as well as taking this fix over the finish line, and slapping an inspection sticker on this car. I'll go to that discussion prepared, but expect that I'll be phoning up the VT DMV's warranty appeal hotline on Tuesday.

The thing is, I can't seem to pin down the motive.
Either they don't know (it really seems like they should know), they honestly don't think the parts are covered, or they're lying.
Fraud - could they be double-dipping? Charge me for the repair then submit the warranty claim? Or some misguided attempt to save Audi of North America some warranty $$?

Going through the whole thing, it sure seems like the car was certified (in 2008) under both Federal and CA emissions for several types of gasoline and usage conditions (many pages of test setups and results).
That said, it sure seems like the car should be covered under, at least, the useful life provision to 120k miles with no cap on time. I haven't conclusively found that the car should be covered under a PZEV standard (in VT these cars have the 15yr/150k mile warranty for any emissions related problem). This car appears to have been certified under ULEV originally. For some reason, VT only lists the A3 for 2009 (and other years) as the model that was certified PZEV.

I still have a couple of questions -
Where do I get a copy of The Fine Book? It can't be the Bentley Publishers manual on CD that I got off ebay.
What am I doing wrong when attempting to run the full auto scan under the VCDS Basic screen (previous discussed). I can't seem to run any test on the car under this screen. Car needs to be on? I must have missed a main VCDS usage guide.

In any case, thank you again for your guidance. I have learned quite a lot already.

-Matt

Jack@European_Parts · Sep 2, 2019

Hey did you know I used to do external undercover warranty fraud investigation?

If a franchise could get paid by you and the OEM, do you think they might engage it? :rolleyes:

What does this do?

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Official_Factory_Repair_Information

Car must be running when using VCDS for LDP and EVAP tests, no?

Don't CFR's say that if a car is certified as ULEV or ULEV2 it is automatic for increased useful life warranty especially if stated through carry over?

Have you ever seen car companies lie to the consumer and get caught or capitulate it?
What's this say?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.autoblog.com/amp/2019/09/01/vw-fuel-economy-error-reimbursement/

fatmattyd · Sep 3, 2019

I did not know that! Seems like that would be an interesting line of work!
I suspect that if this is the case, the dealership might choose to immediately cover the repairs and reimburse me in an attempt to stop any further digging.

The information link you sent - thank you.
I do have the materials listed, the erwin downloads and the Bentley manual on CD.

Car must be running - thank you! Will read through the VCDS documentation more as well.

I haven't been able to find the specific section of the 40CFR codes which state the warranty extension, but there's a lot there. Will continue to dig through this.

Car companies lying to consumers... oh man. It seems like a business decision these days. Risk < reward = lie. I'm thankful folks like you are willing to educate others about this.

Got a call in with the Audi service manager, waiting for a call back.
Going to call Audi of North America next.

Thank you!

Jack@European_Parts · Sep 3, 2019

I did not know that! Seems like that would be an interesting line of work!
I suspect that if this is the case, the dealership might choose to immediately cover the repairs and reimburse me in an attempt to stop any further digging.

The information link you sent - thank you.
I do have the materials listed, the erwin downloads and the Bentley manual on CD.

Car must be running - thank you! Will read through the VCDS documentation more as well.

I haven't been able to find the specific section of the 40CFR codes which state the warranty extension, but there's a lot there. Will continue to dig through this.

Car companies lying to consumers... oh man. It seems like a business decision these days. Risk < reward = lie. I'm thankful folks like you are willing to educate others about this.

Got a call in with the Audi service manager, waiting for a call back.
Going to call Audi of North America next.

Thank you!

You mean you didn't contact the EPA yet? :rolleyes:

Hey did you get one of these?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/40/85.2109

What's this stuff do or mean?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/40/86.1805-04

(b) Manufacturers may elect to optionally certify a test group to the Tier 2 exhaust emission standards for 150,000 miles to gain additional NOXcredits, as permitted in § 86.1860-04(g), or to opt out of intermediate life standards as permitted in § 86.1811-04(c). In such cases, useful life is a period of use of 15 years or 150,000 miles, whichever occurs first, for all exhaust, evaporative and refueling emission requirements except for cold CO standards and standards which are applicable only at the time of certification.

Test Group: 9ADXV02.03UBSummary Sheet: 640T2-20Durability Group Description: Four Stroke, Otto Cycle, Gasoline Fueled, Direct FuelInjection, Catalyst Code: REX 1662Test group Description: 2.0 Liter Turbocharged I-4 longitude - LDVApplicable Standards: 50-State: Federal:CA:Tier 2 BIN 5LEV-II ULEVCarlines Covered: Audi A4, Audi A4 Avant, Audi A4 quattro,Audi A4 Avant quattro, Audi A5

What starts at carry over page 34 say or page 57?

https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=19527&flag=1

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