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    RNS-E Retrofit - Possible Kufatec 39878 Reversing Camera Issue

    I have worked through Sound Sensations in Marietta, GA to retrofit an RNS-E (Audi Navigation Plus) radio to my NAR Audi 2004 S4 Avant w/ Bose, replacing a Symphony II. I have used the following components:

    RNS-E 8E0 035 192 E
    Kufatec 34521-3 Harness
    Kufatec FISCON Handsfree Bluetooth "Basic-Plus" for Audi Item ID: 36431
    Kufatec 39878 RVC Kit
    Audi XM Sat Radio Control Module 8E0035593E

    I am pleased to report everything works EXCEPT the reverse camera. The radio will not permit coding Ch 4 of Adoption 10 of the radio to reflect addition of the camera.
    Kufatec notes the device firmware must be level 550 or above. How can I confirm this fact?

    What other approaches should I take?

    Many thanks in advance for guidance! Scan follows:

    Code:
    Wednesday,20,February,2019,15:15:56:47727
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
    VCDS Version: 18.9.0.2 (x64)
    Data version: 20180927 DS296.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WAUXL68E04A263983   License Plate: 
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8E (8E - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B6/B7 (2001 > 2008))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 36 37 45 46 55 56 57 65
              67 69 75 76 77
     
    VIN: WAUXL68E04A263983   Mileage: 191430km-118949miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 079-910-560-BBK.lbl
       Part No SW: 8E0 910 560 H    HW: 8E0 907 560 
       Component: 4.2L V8/5V      G   0020  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ6Z0D0053133
       Coding: 0007771
       Shop #: WSC 08216 444 91365
       VCID: 2A5B1ECF8645461AAB-5122
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0110 1101
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09L-927-760.lbl
       Part No SW: 8E0 910 156     HW: 09L 927 156 
       Component: AG6 09L 4.2L5V USA  0040  
       Revision: 00000001    Serial number:        0006428
       Coding: 0000002
       Shop #: WSC 63251 000 00000
       VCID: 63C5B3EBA1EFD752A8-5140
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-614-517.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 614 517 Q
       Component: ABS/ESP allrad      4533  
       Coding: 04597
       Shop #: WSC 06435  
       VCID: 36633ABF12FD12FA3F-5106
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 820 043 AD
       Component:   A4 Klimaautomat   1323  
       Coding: 00000
       Shop #: WSC 63251  
       VCID: 63C5B3EBF1EFD752A8-5140
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 907 279 F
       Component: int. Lastmodul  USA 0517  
       Coding: 01013
       Shop #: WSC 63251  
       VCID: 35613DB30FFB19E236-4B00
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-XM.lbl
       Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 E    HW:             
       Component: SDAR XM              
       Revision:             Serial number: AUZ4Z7D7021712
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2B551BCB89BF5F1250-515E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8E0-959-655-84.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 959 655 K
       Component: Airbag 8.4EP        1001  
       Coding: 0010607
       Shop #: WSC 63251 000 00000
       VCID: 3F8D5F9B6DC7D3B2EC-5140
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 953 549 N
       Component: Lenksáulenmodul     0611  
       Coding: 01142
       Shop #: WSC 63251  
       VCID: 3E73229F3ACDDABAE7-4B00
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 920 981 G
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D42  
       Coding: 01231
       Shop #: WSC 00001  
       VCID: 316909A3FB9335C26A-5122
       WAUXL68E04A263983     AUZ6Z0D0053133
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: 8E0-959-760.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 959 760 
       Component: Sitzmemory R2 F     0305  
       Coding: 00002
       Shop #: WSC 63251  
       VCID: 71E9C9A33B1375C22A-4B00
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 37: Navigation        Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.clb
       Part No SW: 8E0 035 192 E    HW: 8E0 035 192 E
       Component: RNS-E US        H52 0020  
       Revision:      02S    Serial number: AUZBZ7D0000036
       Coding: 0309631
       Shop #: WSC 22145 444 54027
       VCID: 2643EAFF925D627A8F-515E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
       Part No: 8E0 959 433 BB
       Component: Komfortgerát T7B    1512  
       Coding: 12044
       Shop #: WSC 63251  
       VCID: 72EBC6AF3E154EDAD3-4B00
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E1959801
       Component: Tőrsteuer.FS BRM 0204  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E1959802E
       Component: Tőrsteuer.BF BRM 0204  
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8E0959801A
       Component: Tőrsteuer.HL BRM 0204  
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8E0959802A
       Component: Tőrsteuer.HR BRM 0204  
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4Z7-907-357.lbl
       Part No: 4Z7 907 357 
       Component: dynamische LWR       D09  
       Coding: 00060
       Shop #: WSC 63251  
       VCID: 0407907714A1706AF1-4B1A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.clb
       Part No SW: 8E0 035 192 E    HW: 8E0 035 192 E
       Component: RNS-E US        H52 0020  
       Revision:      02S    Serial number: AUZBZ7D0000036
       Coding: 0309631
       Shop #: WSC 22145 444 54027
       VCID: 2643EAFF925D627A8F-515E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 05:46)--------------------------

    Regards to all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WuMutien View Post
    Kufatec notes the device firmware must be level 550 or above. How can I confirm this fact?
    Which device do they mean?

    Here's your RNS-E:
    Component: RNS-E US H52 0020
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Which device do they mean?

    Here's your RNS-E:


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    Uwe:

    I meant the RNS-E radio head. My apologies for the lack of specificity and thanks for the quick response. Looks like a firmware upgrade is required...

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WuMutien View Post
    Kufatec notes the device firmware must be level 550 or above. How can I confirm this fact?
    Hmmm - Kufatec are quoting an EU firmware version number not an NA firmware version number.

    The EU firmware version got up to 0650 but the NA firmware version never got above 0260, see this link at audiforum.us

    https://audiforum.us/threads/audi-na...-numbers.6857/

    Seems like you should go back to Kufatec and ask them to confirm what NA version number is required...

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    PD:

    Thank you for your reply. I have messaged Kufatec this morning.

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    Further Reply

    Dave:

    In further reply, Kufatech recommends 0150 or 0200 software releases. I have ordered an 8P0 919 884 Q DVD (correct me if I am mistaken that this p/n corresponds to 8P0 060 884 Q, the p/n for the DVD purchased post sales). I would like to use the most recent map disks from the latest 0260 DVD (8P0 060 884DC is the latest available from Jim Ellis Audi parts store online) while using the older firmware so as not to interfere with backup camera functionality. Does this link represent the latest wisdom on this subject: https://audiforum.us/threads/keeping...my-maps.15912/? Do the latest update DVDs still interfere with video functionality?

    Thanks again!
    Last edited by WuMutien; 02-23-2019 at 03:47 PM. Reason: Add pointer link
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    For reasons known only to AoA they disabled video functionality in the later US firmware versions (product liability concerns maybe?).

    IIRC (it's a few years ago since I worked on the RNS-E regularly) but that link looks correct to me as a way of fooling the RNS-E into not updating the firmware but allowing you to use the newer maps. Be aware though that especially if it's cold and/or damp the RNS-E can sometimes struggle to read burned (not pressed) DVDs.

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    Dave:

    Many thanks for your fast response.

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    Dave:

    In further reply, I am informed that one may use the RNS-E engineering menu (AKA "hidden menu") to diagnose whether the reverse signal is being received by the head unit. Is this accurate? Where in the engineering menu would I find this signal value displayed?

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WuMutien View Post
    In further reply, I am informed that one may use the RNS-E engineering menu (AKA "hidden menu") to diagnose whether the reverse signal is being received by the head unit. Is this accurate? Where in the engineering menu would I find this signal value displayed?
    I don't know about the engineering menu, but look in MVB 004, field 3 should be "Driving Direction" (forward/reverse/invalid).

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