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    Jef, I have done the calibration to no effect. Interestingly enough the ABS code was not "zeroed out" as it seems is a common brain fart for these devices. The proper coding was in place but I went ahead and did the coding and attempted the calibration anyway. I was not successful in my attempt. The steering wheel sensor did not give me the expected readings when looking at measuring block 005 - instead of seeing the axis rotate 90 degrees it stayed pretty much at 0.0 (though I did see a likely erroneous fluctuation to 2.5 degrees). I took a picture of my steering wheel turned 90 degrees left with my PC next to it showing meas block 005 displaying 0.0 degrees but can't work out how to post it here. I can deduce from this I have another problem but there does not seem to be a conclusive consensus on what that may be by glancing through the various forums. So, I'm going back to the well for another much needed drink of knowledge. What say you?

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    Needs a G85 SAS or wiring to it is suspect or voltages/ground or ability to carry current are insufficient for calibration?

    3 Faults Found:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
    37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
    Makes sense to me..........
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    Yeah, what Jack said...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Needs a G85 SAS or wiring to it is suspect or voltages/ground or ability to carry current are insufficient for calibration?



    Makes sense to me..........
    Thanks Jack. I've sort of deduced that short of the car spontaneously combusting like a Tesla it'd probably make sense to you. Relativity made sense to Einstein too but I'm still a little So I've been digging around trying to figure out how to troubleshoot/validate the wiring and signals but I'm not able to find anything. Is there a specific erwin manual or wiki that can give me some insight? I'm not real keen to pull the steering wheel off so I can stare blankly at the innards hoping inspiration will strike me..

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    Thanks Jack. I've sort of deduced that short of the car spontaneously combusting like a Tesla it'd probably make sense to you. Relativity made sense to Einstein too but I'm still a little So I've been digging around trying to figure out how to troubleshoot/validate the wiring and signals but I'm not able to find anything. Is there a specific erwin manual or wiki that can give me some insight? I'm not real keen to pull the steering wheel off so I can stare blankly at the innards hoping inspiration will strike me..

    Fair question..........

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    Queue the Circus music, here we go again!

    Well, after doing some additional troubleshooting to see if I could sort out the G85 SAS issues (checking for voltages and such) and finding nothing I put the ABS controller connector back on and ran a scan to confirm nothing had changed. What I got in the scan were new faults pertaining to the ABS controller. Didn't have a chance to see if the controller answers up as a fast moving midwest thunderstorm moved in and unleashed a torrent. So, where would you go from here? Latest scan is below:

    **Just noticed something significant - I seem to be missing any comms in the scan from the Central Electrics (Address 09) and the Central Convenience modules (Address 46). That can't be good. Thoughts??

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    Saturday,17,August,2019,14:56:31:23170
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
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    VIN: WAULC68E05A114733   License Plate: TONY A4
    Mileage: 274950km-170846mi   Repair Order: 8-17-19 post troubleshooting g85 error
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8E (8D - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B5 (1995 > 2002))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77
     
    VIN: WAULC68E05A114733   Mileage: 274950km-170846miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06B-909-518-AMB.lbl
       Part No SW: 8E0 909 518 BC    HW: 8E0 909 018 A
       Component: 1.8L R4/5VT     G   0020  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ6Z0D0371349
       Coding: 0016751
       Shop #: WSC 11111 111 45799
       VCID: 72BDDAB038BA89B7CCD-5160
    
    1 Fault Found:
    18057 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                P1649 - 008 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
    Readiness: 0110 1101
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 01V-927-156.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 927 156 AA
       Component: AG5 01V 1.8l5VT USA 0505  
       Coding: 0001002
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 6D87C9CC2184564F11F-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 820 043 AD
       Component:   A4 Klimaautomat   1424  
       Coding: 00000
       Shop #: WSC 06325  
       VCID: 6393AFF4F240103FB7B-513C
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                79-00 - Please Check Fault Codes
    
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    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8E0-959-655-84.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 959 655 K
       Component: Airbag 8.4EP        1001  
       Coding: 0010607
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3FDB43843B6814DFF33-5184
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 953 549 N
       Component: Lenks·ulenmodul     0611  
       Coding: 01041
       Shop #: WSC 11111  
       VCID: 3E253E8039621DD7F85-4B00
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 920 950 P
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D42  
       Coding: 01231
       Shop #: WSC 03131  
       VCID: 363526A01152D597205-5160
       WAULC68E05A114733     AUZ6Z0D0371349
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01316 - ABS Control Module 
                49-00 - No Communications
    
    End----(Elapsed Time: 04:18, VBatt start/end: 11.9V/11.9V. VIgn 11.8V)-----
    Last edited by Tbez; 08-17-2019 at 02:34 PM. Reason: Noticed something else

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    Queue the Circus music, here we go again!

    Well, after doing some additional troubleshooting to see if I could sort out the G85 SAS issues (checking for voltages and such) and finding nothing I put the ABS controller connector back on and ran a scan to confirm nothing had changed. What I got in the scan were new faults pertaining to the ABS controller. Didn't have a chance to see if the controller answers up as a fast moving midwest thunderstorm moved in and unleashed a torrent. So, where would you go from here? Latest scan is below:

    **Just noticed something significant - I seem to be missing any comms in the scan from the Central Electrics (Address 09) and the Central Convenience modules (Address 46). That can't be good. Thoughts??
    Kids today I'll tell ya.........

    Abstract first scan in thread
    Chassis Type: 8E (8E - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B6/B7 (2001 > 2008))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 36 37 45 46 55 56 57 65
    67 69 75 76 77


    Now .........?
    Chassis Type: 8E (8D - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B5 (1995 > 2002))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

    VIN: WAULC68E05A114733 Mileage: 274950km-170846miles

    Vehicle Identification No. WAULC68E05A114733
    Model Audi A4 qu. 1,8
    A4
    Date of production 27.10.2004
    Model year 2004
    Sales type 8E252Z
    Engine Code AMB
    Transmission Code GBF

    FOCUS!
    Quit screwing around........

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    Huh? I truly wish I understood what you meant. I've never done this stuff before and apologize for not understanding. It'll have to wait in any case. Off to work for me..

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    He means you picked the wrong chassis type (8D vs. 8E) before you started the scan. Since this car is not highly optioned, it doesn't look like VCDS skipped any modules because of it.

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    Doh! Yep, I see it now. Next time I get a chance I'll run a proper scan. Sorry Jack! Not intentionally wasting anyone's time.

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    NP just thought you would of knew what I was making reference too, remember this is not a new user section, so I usually am thinking guys here have some experience and is why I break stones to a degree.
    The WD should be observed and wiggle tests done with load light for G85 before condemned, maybe even overlay of tracks.
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