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    Question VCDS Ver:19.6.1 vs ODIS VW (VAS 6154) on Fault Code: 28269-Gear Selector-VW Golf '18

    Here it is my first Post that is bringing VCDS vs ODIS on a Fault Code 28269 - Gear Selector - in my new VW Golf Sportwagen 2018.

    Here are some details:
    - Purchased New in June 2018
    - Never scanned my New VW until now....do not ask me why. Probably, I was scared to see something.... und I never escaped my fear!
    - The VW Dealer software tool ODIS does not see the Fault Code 28269. Therefore they won't fix it.
    - VW Dealer complaints: "The Fault Code is incomplete" + "Ask Ross-Tech why it is showing" .
    - Instrument Malfunction w/Fault Code. VW tech said it was a miscommunication and is not that important...but still needs to be fix/cleared.

    Hope you guys have experienced a similar issue and know how I can solve it with the VW.

    VW w/ODIS result:

    Code:
    8/9/2019 Diagnostic Log
    https://www.vwhub.com/gffjct/gffPaperless/
    Offboard Diagnostic
    Information System
    Diagnostic Log(Long) 07.08.2019 15:18
    XML_to_HTML_Main.xsl Version: 5.60.0 from 25.04.2018
    General Information
    RO Number: --- Log type: Guided Fault Finding
    Log
    status: Temporary log
    Workshop information Diagnostic tester serial number: de5be967c0188e1242b39b0f183ca02b
    Hardware platform: STD PC (DellInc. / Inspiron15-3567)
    Operating system: Windows 10
    VCI type: VAS 6154 (5171535)
    VCI connection type: Wi-Fi (infrastructure)
    Communication path: CAN/K line
    Importer number: 444
    Dealer/facility number: 
    Facility ID: 
    (manual specification)
    Contract status: Authorized dealer
    
    Address: 0002 System name: 02 - 6-speed automatic transmission 09G Log versions: UDS/ISOTP (Results: 0)
    Data source: Vehicle
    Hardware part number: 09G927158
    Part number: 09G927158AR
    Hardware version number: 202
    Software version number: 3198
    Production date: 22.12.2017
    Coding: 01 02 00 00 0C 00 00 00 0
    0 00 00 00 00 00 00 [...]
    Coding: 010200000C000000000000000
    000000000000000
    Ability to flash: Unknown
    System name: AISIN AG6 G3
    ASAM base version: BV_TransContrModulUDS
    ASAM 2D/ODX data set: EV_TCMAQ250031
    ASAM 2D/ODX data set
    version: 002009
    ASAM/ODX control module
    version being used: EV_TCMAQ250031_002
    Equipment code: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
    System abbreviation: J217

    Now full VCDS VC" class="inlineimg" /> results:

    Code:
    Thursday,08,August,2019,16:43:36:00711
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: 3VWD17AUXJMXXXXX   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 23633km-14684mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    Chassis Type: AU-VW37 (3Q0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 44 52 5F
    
    VIN: 3VWD17AUXJMXXXXX   Mileage: 23633km-14684miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (J623-CXBB)       Labels:. 06K-907-425-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8V0 906 264 K    HW: 06K 907 425 B
       Component: 1.8l R4 TFSI  H13 0003  
       Revision: --H13---    
       Coding: 091A00122424002F0000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00072
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM18TFS0208V0906264K 001004
       ROD: EV_ECM18TFS0208V0906264K.rod
       VCID: 44D1B0585E1BF357AE1-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels: 09G-927-749-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 09G 927 158 AR    HW: 09G 927 158 
       Component: AISIN AG6 G3  202 3198  
       Coding: 010200000C000000000000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00072
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAQ250031 002009
       ROD: EV_TCMAQ250031_002_VW37.rod
       VCID: 035373441B95346FD7B-8056
    
    1 Fault Found:
    28269 - Gear Selector 
              P17C5 00 [096] - Implausible Signal
              Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:* 5Q0-907-379-ESP-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 614 517 CS    HW: 5Q0 614 517 AF
       Component: ESC           H62 0973  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 50288000000149
       Coding: 04FA6AA12426097040790206A0C72920562490024005943400405050C002430B00000012121212B835351919323200
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP 037009
       ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP_037_VW37.rod
       VCID: 045170581E9B3357EE1-8050
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels:| 5G0-907-426.clb
       Part No SW: 5GM 907 426 F    HW: 5GM 907 426 F
       Component: AC Manuell    H03 2001  
       Revision: 00001K05    
       Coding: 02020004200110000000000000000002
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManueBHBVW37X 004134
       ROD: EV_ACManueBHBVW37X_004.rod
       VCID: 4BC39B6473453C2F6FB-801E
    
       Fresh Air Blower Front: 
    
       Geber für Kältemitteldruck/Kältemitteltemperatur: 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 5Q0 937 087 AQ    HW: 5Q0 937 087 AM
       Component: BCM PQ37BOSCH 034 0246  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: C86419021802KT
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00395
       ASAM Dataset: EV_BodyContrModul1UDSBosc 018001
       ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_018.rod
       VCID: 0A4D5E603CBF652794D-805E
    
       Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G1 955 119 A    HW: 5G1 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
       Component: WWS    171229  043 0551 
       Serial number: 97022066180105130432
       Coding: 0E4DDD
    
       Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 559 B    HW: 5Q0 955 559 B  Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
       Component: RLS  047 0105 
       Serial number: S2Y18M02D19H22M14S03
       Coding: 00A8DD
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 J    HW: 5Q0 959 655 J
       Component: AirbagVW20    010 0830  
       Serial number: 003GCR091U0C
       Coding: 8CCCFC00000000005000001AC24800000065
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002144
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X.rod
       VCID: 47CBA7546F2DD84F4B3-8012
    
       Occupant Detection: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 959 339 B    HW: 4M0 959 339 B
       Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H13 0022 
       Serial number: IBH000000000008HZ55U
       Coding: 303133
    
       Side Sensor Driver Front: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 301 18
       Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
       Serial number: 35700000000C3A6CBA2 
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 301 18
       Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
       Serial number: 3580000000044A6CBA2W
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 901 18
       Component: SideSensor_Dr  000 6149 
       Serial number: 35100019D288860543A0
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
       Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 012 17
       Component: SideSensor_Pr  000 6149 
       Serial number: 3520001C728CC3D20501
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Front Sensor Driver: 
       Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 001 18
       Component: FrontSensor_D  001 6149 
       Serial number: 3550002B725325B2905Y
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Front Sensor Passenger: 
       Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 001 18
       Component: FrontSensor_P  001 6149 
       Serial number: 3560002B725325B3B04.
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 GH    HW: 5Q0 953 549 E
       Component: Lenks. Modul  003 0140  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 18011808491437
       Coding: 0410
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 020002
       ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_020_VW37.rod
       VCID: 025D7640048F3D67DCD-8056
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
       Part No SW: 5G1 920 840 C    HW: 5G1 920 840 C
       Component: KOMBI         242 0310  
       Coding: 0BB4110AA180CF0502082A001000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00072
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009060
       ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW37.rod
       VCID: 270B07D4CF6D384FAB3-8072
    
    1 Fault Found:
    16777020 - Function Restricted due to Interrupted Communications 
              U1110 00 [008] - -
              [BAP_TEL_0x28 keine Kommunikation]
              Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 135
                        Reset counter: 99
                        Mileage: 15656 km
                        Date: 2019.04.12
                        Time: 14:52:32
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-530-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 3Q0 907 530 K    HW: 3Q0 907 530 B
       Component: GW MQB Mid    517 5323  
       Serial number: 16021800841260
       Coding: 0101000830085900FA0000081C0F00000001070000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07025
       ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewNF 013023
       ROD: EV_GatewNF.rod
       VCID: 372BD7941FCDA8CF3B3-8062
    
       Alternator: 
    
       Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 442 P    HW: 5G0 959 442 P  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
       Component: E221__MFL-DC1  H17 0103 
       Serial number: 28180000049020101439
       Coding: 31FFFF
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q4 959 393 E    HW: 5Q4 959 393 B
       Component: TSG FS        011 0032  
       Serial number: 7038805101145 
       Coding: 003003200000020000000000
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT 006001
       ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
       VCID: 45D7AD5C5521CA5FB9F-8010
    
       Drivers Door Rear Control Module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 811 F    HW: 5Q4 959 811 F  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
       Component: Fond FHSG DRV  010 0004 
       Serial number: 00000000000000215860
       Coding: 011000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
       Part No SW: 5QM 909 144 B    HW: 5QM 909 144 B
       Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  172 1081  
       Coding: 010A0000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00072
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 015157
       ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_015.rod
       VCID: 50F98C089A631FF71A9-8004
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q4 959 392 E    HW: 5Q4 959 392 B
       Component: TSG BFS       011 0032  
       Serial number: 8038802400927 
       Coding: 003003200000020000000000
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT 006001
       ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
       VCID: 44D1B0585E1BF357AE1-8010
    
       Passengers Rear Door Control Module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 812 F    HW: 5Q4 959 812 F  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
       Component: Fond FHSG PSG  010 0004 
       Serial number: 00000000000000213016
       Coding: 091000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-ENT2.clb
       Part No SW: 5G6 035 868     HW: 5G6 035 868 
       Component: MU-E--ER      671 8732  
       Serial number: 04011800021558
       Coding: 02730200FF00000041220001001000009F0000D40000010000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07025
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE 001041
       ROD: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE_VW37.rod
       VCID: 70B92C883A233FF73A9-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:10, VBatt start/end: 12.2V/12.4V)-----------

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    The fault code is Intermittent
    Try and make an Auto-Scan without UDS Aggressive Mode.

    See explanations here an here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEtech View Post
    The fault code is Intermittent
    Try and make an Auto-Scan without UDS Aggressive Mode.

    See explanations here an here.
    Thank you NEtech, I've Auto-scanned it without UDS Aggressive Mode and it is not showing, as you suggested. Also, I've found more info about it:

    "The UDS Aggressive Mode box is checked by default. In this mode VCDS will try to retrieve all fault codes, even ones that may not be shown by the factory scan tool, depending on which mode the factory technician is using. You can uncheck this box to more closely correlate your results with what would be seen by the factory scan tool in "Self Diagnostics" mode compared to their more aggressive checking in "Guided Fault Finding" mode."

    As, the VW Dealership did not want to recognize it, I will have to inform the Technician to perform then a more aggressive scan in "Guided Fault Finding" mode.

    Here it is the scan for review:

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    Address 02: Auto Trans (J217) Labels: 09G-927-749-V2.clb
    Part No SW: 09G 927 158 AR HW: 09G 927 158
    Component: AISIN AG6 G3 202 3198
    Coding: 010200000C000000000000000000000000000000
    Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00072
    ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAQ250031 002009
    ROD: EV_TCMAQ250031_002_VW37.rod
    VCID: 035373441B95346FD7B-8056

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    you probably have a defective DSG selector, it happened a lot in the Golf. it will escalate and eventually show up on the cluster. at that point the dealer will replace it, if still under warranty.
    my Golf came out of the factory with 13 ECUs. now she has 19. and counting

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkchina811 View Post
    you probably have a defective DSG selector, it happened a lot in the Golf. it will escalate and eventually show up on the cluster. at that point the dealer will replace it, if still under warranty.
    Also very common in the DSG versions of the MQB Octavia III - same problem with some dealers claiming there is no fault code visible despite the message on the cluster saying not to leave the vehicle unless the handbrake is on.

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    Question

    In the morning received a response from the dealer mentioning that the ODIS scan had been done in "Guided Fault Finding" mode equivalent to UDS Aggressive Mode .
    Checked the log that I've got and posted above and it is GFF scanned.

    Now, the question shall be address by Ross-Tech, really. SO, why it is VDCS throwing a transmission Fault Code???

    1 Fault Found:
    28269 - Gear Selector
    P17C5 00 [096] - Implausible Signal
    Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

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    VCDS does not "throw" faults. VCDS queries your control modules. They report faults.

    The fact that ODIS isn't showing that fault doesn't mean it isn't there; just that ODIS doesn't consider it reportable yet.

    If you wish VCDS to to pull the wool over its eyes in a manner similar to ODIS, un-check "Use Aggressive Mode".

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    If I used a harsh word (throw) I apologize Benevolent Dictator ... but, in this case it might just did reported a fault code that was not detected by ODIS with checked "Aggressive Mode".

    I mention that if I uncheck "Use Aggressive Mode" it does have a blind eye and does not see it. Scans are available in earlier posts.

    In conclusion, VW considers the following: "we performed two complete Gff's (Guided Fault Findings). Not interested in scanning the vehicle any further or trying to figure out why your scanner is pulling inaccurate data. If your vehicle recognizes any faults and sets a check engine light or other warning light we will then be able to scan and diagnose it.

    Uwe, are you suggesting "that ODIS isn't showing that fault doesn't mean it isn't there; just that ODIS doesn't consider it reportable yet". Or VW does hides fault codes like these on purpose!?

    I am looking forward to hear informed opinions that it can explains more in detail... as, I can report this issue for further investigations with NHTSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dandy View Post
    Uwe, are you suggesting "that ODIS isn't showing that fault doesn't mean it isn't there; just that ODIS doesn't consider it reportable yet". Or VW does hides fault codes like these on purpose!?
    I am suggesting that whether control module reports a fault to the scan tool depends on exactly how the scan tool asks. I have not played much with ODIS myself, but have definitely seen it with the previous generation of dealer software, "VAS PC". If you just went into a control module directly and queried fault codes, it did the query in a manner equivalent to having "Aggressive Mode" off in VCDS, and no fault codes are shown, yet if you went in via Guided Fault Finding, it would do so in a manner equivalent to have "Aggressive Mode" on in VCDS and presto, those faults would show up. We've never found the reasoning behind this, so by default, VCDS uses the aggressive mode, but you can de-select it if you wish.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Many thanks Uwe for pointing to the right direction.

    You are too politically correct, and I can see ....your reasons. But, I see an opportunity here to say it as it is and gain more trust from your present and future user base.

    Whenever, I'll have updates I'll post it....

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