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    Hello,

    Thanks for you efforts. Wow! Here is a series of photos of the ECU as we extracted it and examined it. Note, we have had this out of the car once before to inspect the wiring (hence the security bolts are slotted now. We did that).

    Here is the ECU in place before removal:


    Here is the ECU after extraction for the vehicle:


    Here is the ECU label:


    Here are three images showing the tag on the cabling (looks stock):




    Here is an image of the cable connectors showing no damage:


    Here is an image of the inside of the ECU:


    Here is an image of the ROM chip inside of the ECU:


    And lastly....here is an image of some possible corrosion we find inside the ECU. We have hence cleaned it up - it was difficult to get off:


    Thoughts? Thank you.

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    This is very helpful.

    Yeah you could sand that board and electronics's carefully with a fiberglass sanding pen around contacts, right?
    Example:
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    The controller has most likely been re-flashed with something obviously, no?

    Are you original owner?
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    No, not the original owner. My son purchased it from a local used car dealer a few years ago.

    It is interesting that the corrosion is on the throttle body controller pins. Our current plan is to clean up the corrosion (thanks for the sanding tip), put it back together, and drive until it fails again (confirming it was not the corrosion). It can take three months to fail sometimes. Very unpredictable.

    I am an engineer (retired), so my mind works in trying to understand the failure mode. The corrosion could definitely cause erratic behavior like this. Especially if it has been reflashed with code that is tighter on the edges of the control mappings. Hmm.

    I also note that the ECU label on the outside has a date code of 07-02-12. This basically proves the ECU has been replaced - assuming this is a date code. The date codes on the car and the actual ROM chip in the ECU do make sense though.

    The ECU part number is ... HG, which is correct for this year. The ... HG version is a supercession of the ... EX version though. This would also possibly indicate an early production vehicle.

    Going back to your theory of liability. Interesting. Are you suggesting that the build date for the car is early enough to be a pre-production version that may have been sold to the public unscrupulously?

    BTW, we ran a full scan again on the car after clearing the codes and got a different readiness code just 30 seconds after starting the engine. Note sure if the previous one was because I had been idling the engine for a bit (much more than 30 seconds) while I was hooking up VCDS. At any rate, here it is for your interest:

    Code:
    Saturday,17,August,2019,15:28:09:38383
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
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    VIN: TRUDD38J481002253   License Plate: 
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8J (1K0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 14 15 16 17 19 22 25 42 44 46 47 52 55 56
              65 76
    
    VIN: TRUDD38J481002253   Mileage: 197160km-122509miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
    14-Susp. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
    76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 022-906-032-BDB.lbl
       Part No SW: 022 906 032 HG    HW: 022 906 032 GP
       Component: TT-3.2-DQ-LEV2  G   0862  
       Revision: 1QH02---    Serial number: AUX7Z0G2FNG00D
       Coding: 0000178
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: D7FE0EEC66980BF708-8082
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0110 1101
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
       Part No SW: 02E 300 011 BL    HW: 02E 927 770 AD
       Component: GSG DSG         082 1396  
       Revision: 05108020    Serial number: 00001005190451
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 04940 001 00001
       VCID: DAF817D8158A169F37-808E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8J0-614-517.clb
       Part No SW: 8J0 614 517     HW: 8J0 614 517 
       Component: ESP MK60E1          0130  
       Revision: 00H52001    
       Coding: 0026177
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: EA984718C5EA861FA7-80BE
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: None
       Part No SW: 8J0 820 043 AA    HW: 8J0 820 043 AA
       Component: J255  Klima 1 Zone  0060  
       Revision: 00H07003    Serial number: 00000001024006
       Coding: 1048614
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: E58234242CF4A9678A-80B0
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 8P0-907-279-23-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 907 279 H    HW: 8P0 907 279 H
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H46 1802  
       Revision: 00H46000    Serial number: 00000006810467
       Coding: F1041E83C0141C0003180000180000000028EE075A250802
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: C2C8CFB89D1ABE5F4F-8096
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8J1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer AU354   H05 0060  
       Coding: 00064784
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4E0 910 557 A  Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
       Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH13 0090  
       Coding: 00149804
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 0F: Digital Radio
    Cannot be reached
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 14: Susp. Elect.        Labels: 8P0-907-376.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J0 910 376     HW: 8J0 907 376 A
       Component: J250 Raddaempfung   0050  
       Revision: --H16---    Serial number: 190DPH 7032349
       Coding: 0000012
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: EC944100CF1E982FD5-80B8
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8J0-959-655.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J0 959 655     HW: 8J0 959 655 
       Component: -E Airbag 9.43  H02 0020  
       Revision: 93H02002    Serial number: 0036K001056+  
       Coding: 0011589
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: F9BA6854B04C3D875E-80AC
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8J0 910 339 A
       Component: BF-Gewichtsens. H02 0030
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 007XR         
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0001.01.0000H020000000000063
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 0000006332DRB40493049DP63
    
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 3049DP6342DRB404DA94A8%63
    
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: A94A8%63747RB40177B2F0Q63
    
       Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 7B2F0Q63847RB40177B287R
    
       Subsystem 8 - Serial number: 7B287R
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8P0-953-549-F.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 953 549 F    HW: 8P0 953 549 F
       Component: J0527           H36 0070  
       Coding: 0014141
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: C1CAC0B4981CA54756-8094
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: E0221           H06 0030
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
    01301 - Control Module for Voice Recognition (J507) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
    
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    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8J0-920-xxx-17-MY7.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J0 920 990 C    HW: 8J0 920 990 C
       Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H21 0070  
       Revision: D0H21004    Serial number: 2242G004002861
       Coding: 0113208
       Shop #: WSC 58755 067 57207
       VCID: B2289F782DBA0EDFDF-80E6
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 K    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: J533__Gateway   H12 0170  
       Revision:   H12       Serial number: 33001073070850
       Coding: FF8F076227004100
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: AF2E960C3E882337B0-80FA
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02649 - Digital Radio Tuner 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 89
                        Mileage: 197163 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.08.17
                        Time: 15:26:10
    
    
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    Address 22: AWD        Labels: 1K0-907-554.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 907 554 L
       Component: Haldex 4Motion      0116  
       Coding: 0000001
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: B620A368C1D212FFF3-80E2
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 8J0 920 990 C    HW: 8J0 920 990 C
       Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H21 0070  
       Revision: D0H21004    Serial number: AUX7Z0G2FNG00D
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: B2289F782DBA0EDFDF-80E6
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 8P0-959-801-MAX1.lbl
       Part No: 8J8 959 801 C
       Component: Tuer-SG         H02 0060  
       Coding: 0001077
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: BD32BC44E4E4C1A732-80E8
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
       Part No: 8J1 909 143 B
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.155 H07 1807  
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: AF2E960C3E882337B0-80FA
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8J0-959-433.lbl
       Part No: 8J0 959 433 A
       Component:    KSG          H08 0070  
       Coding: 9B90328201382D290F0FC88A0477
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: B4249960D7AE00EFCD-80E0
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301
    
       Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 8J0-035-223.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J0 035 223 C    HW: 8J0 035 223 C
       Component: J525 Amp High   H04 0110  
       Revision: PROD_01     Serial number: 00000000008688
       Coding: 0236116
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: A4046920674E906F5D-80F0
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 89
                        Mileage: 197163 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.08.17
                        Time: 15:26:10
    
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 8P0-959-802-MAX1.lbl
       Part No: 8J8 959 802 C
       Component: Tuer-SG         H02 0060  
       Coding: 0001077
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: BE30BB48E9E2DABF2B-80EA
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 357 F    HW: 4F0 907 357 F
       Component: AFS 1           H01 0020  
       Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
       Coding: 0000025
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: A91A7814006C4D076E-80FC
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E0 941 329 A
       Component: AFS-Modul links H04 0020
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E0 941 329 A
       Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH04 0020
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8J0-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 8J0 035 195 A    HW: 8J0 035 195 A
       Component: R Symphony2+    H15 0221  
       Revision: 00H15000    Serial number: AUZ1Z4G6068130
       Coding: 0670102
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: AA188718056A461F67-80FE
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 89
                        Mileage: 197163 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.08.17
                        Time: 15:26:41
    
    02218 - Satellite Radio (R146) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 89
                        Mileage: 197163 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.08.17
                        Time: 15:26:41
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 8J0-907-273.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J0 907 273 A    HW: 8J0 907 273 A
       Component: J502_RDK        H02 0300  
       Revision: --H02-B0    Serial number: 11970770279423
       Coding: 0840019
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: AF2E960C3E882337B0-80FA
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 8P0-919-283.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 919 283 D    HW: 8P0 919 283 D
       Component: Parkhilfe 4-Kan H09 0060  
       Revision: 00H09000    Serial number: 00067824830707
       Coding: 0001231
       Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
       VCID: BC34B140FFFEC8AF05-80E8
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:36, VBatt start/end: 13.1V/13.1V)-----------
    Here also are the screen shots of the OBD readings:






    Thanks,
    Kelly

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    Great fabulous questions, let's ask some more good questions & with self evident answers & maybe you can derive from the new questions in recant to yours, okay & because I would never want to say something by mistake that could be considered incendiary?

    No, not the original owner. My son purchased it from a local used car dealer a few years ago.
    It is interesting that the corrosion is on the throttle body controller pins. Our current plan is to clean up the corrosion (thanks for the sanding tip), put it back together, and drive until it fails again (confirming it was not the corrosion). It can take three months to fail sometimes. Very unpredictable.
    Interesting it is indeed isn't it & after what, three TV's later?
    Not a very thorough diagnostic path huh?

    I am an engineer (retired), so my mind works in trying to understand the failure mode. The corrosion could definitely cause erratic behavior like this. Especially if it has been reflashed with code that is tighter on the edges of the control mappings. Hmm.
    I would say corrosion could cause problems stock too, but hey I'd say if missing stack information for sure this would compound the lack of diagnostic data, wouldn't you & as an engineer, considering tests are ready for AECD components that haven't even could of run yet, but, yet again based on information you presented now right, is inconsistent with what you provided before no?

    I also note that the ECU label on the outside has a date code of 07-02-12. This basically proves the ECU has been replaced - assuming this is a date code. The date codes on the car and the actual ROM chip in the ECU do make sense though.
    Ever hear of European date codes & wouldn't that imply the year 2007 for production and either the month or day more likely being Dec. or Feb. ?


    The ECU part number is ... HG, which is correct for this year. The ... HG version is a supercession of the ... EX version though. This would also possibly indicate an early production vehicle.
    Isn't the HG the original part number as indicted in the COC application and was dropped and than becomes the EX according to the microfiche?

    Going back to your theory of liability. Interesting. Are you suggesting that the build date for the car is early enough to be a pre-production version that may have been sold to the public unscrupulously?
    Hey hey hey, where would you get such an idea, did you read the Conformity certificate application and test group number to surmise that or was it that news article?


    BTW, we ran a full scan again on the car after clearing the codes and got a different readiness code just 30 seconds after starting the engine. Note sure if the previous one was because I had been idling the engine for a bit (much more than 30 seconds) while I was hooking up VCDS. At any rate, here it is for your interest:
    Hey man, you are the engineer, further stated you cleared codes as aforementioned and displayed a CAT being ready after 30 seconds of engine idling operation, so how is that?


    Maybe your car is not modified and maybe you don't know how to clear codes correctly with VCDS initially or maybe you made a mistake huh, but this part number thing seems mighty interesting huh?

    Don't you think if it was my car, I'd probably fuse the OXS oxygen sensor heaters back to ECU for ground completion and with a low amperage fuse after measuring the draw needed to protect the controllers abilities & do the same for every consumer that was suspect, however, based on known defects in the industry with ME7 cars and how the TV drivers get FUBAR from either water ingress or a consumer bus taking down the TV & since also a load device isolated and controlled by the ECU wouldn't you do this just to know?

    Holy run on sentence questions huh.........?

    Shouldn't your sons car of been this?

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    OK my friend. You have convinced me through my questions and your leading answers that this car is clearly a pre-production mule from Audi that was sold inappropriately in the US.

    1- The production date pre-dates Audi's certification for the vehicle.
    2- The ECU calibration version is prior to the version Audi certified for sale in the US.
    3- The ECU part number identifies this ECU as early. It is not the version later released and used in this vehicle.
    4- The OBD readiness code is set for several functions immediately upon startup after clearing the code. Some of these functions are impossible to be set this way. Obviously they have been "hard-wired" to ignore normal setting procedures.

    It is likely that the ECU is buggy relative to the TV issues we are experiencing. We all know there are issues with the TV - this has been documented for years in the forums. Audi even released a TSB regarding the wiring and connector to the TV being out of spec due to wiring resistance issues from materials originally used from various sources. You are suggesting of trying to isolate the ECU bug my disabling/bypassing all inputs to the ECU is an interesting exercise. Have you actually done this to prove the ECU is buggy? Or are you just trying to persuade me to do it? Can't tell your intent from your writing.

    The class action lawsuit recently filed against VAG regarding this EXACT issue (pre-production fraud) unfortunately doesn't go back before 2011 for some reason. So it appears this car is not covered. You seem to be versed in this, do you know why? While it is obvious, I am not willing to invest a few million dollars to force this issue the VAG. I will be contacting the law firm that filed the lawsuit this week to a) let them know I have a car that is pre-production and actually falsifies ECU tests and b) ask why they didn't go back to 2006 where it is known that VAG started this behaviour. Has there been a remedy from VAG for early vehicles in this class? The news articles suggest that maybe there was a limited recall on such vehicles.

    I am also tempted to confront AoA with my facts and findings and see if they will respond with a solution. The fact that my car actively falsifies emissions tests might get their attention in light of all the other things that have happened to them of late. Of course they could just ignore me too.

    Interesting thread. Thanks for the fun.

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    I ask lots of good questions huh?



    OK my friend. You have convinced me through my questions and your leading answers that this car is clearly a pre-production mule from Audi that was sold inappropriately in the US.

    1- The production date pre-dates Audi's certification for the vehicle.
    2- The ECU calibration version is prior to the version Audi certified for sale in the US.
    3- The ECU part number identifies this ECU as early. It is not the version later released and used in this vehicle.
    4- The OBD readiness code is set for several functions immediately upon startup after clearing the code. Some of these functions are impossible to be set this way. Obviously they have been "hard-wired" to ignore normal setting procedures.
    Genius, absolutely genius? .......





    It is likely that the ECU is buggy relative to the TV issues we are experiencing. We all know there are issues with the TV - this has been documented for years in the forums. Audi even released a TSB regarding the wiring and connector to the TV being out of spec due to wiring resistance issues from materials originally used from various sources. You are suggesting of trying to isolate the ECU bug my disabling/bypassing all inputs to the ECU is an interesting exercise. Have you actually done this to prove the ECU is buggy? Or are you just trying to persuade me to do it? Can't tell your intent from your writing.
    You are the retried Engineer right, now use the what was that quote, oh yeah, was it?," Good Engineering Judgement "?
    I know I can be an asshole most times, but could you only begin to imagine what bodies I know or where they are buried and all the "Above Majestic" things that come with such security clearance level?





    The class action lawsuit recently filed against VAG regarding this EXACT issue (pre-production fraud) unfortunately doesn't go back before 2011 for some reason. So it appears this car is not covered. You seem to be versed in this, do you know why? While it is obvious, I am not willing to invest a few million dollars to force this issue the VAG. I will be contacting the law firm that filed the lawsuit this week to a) let them know I have a car that is pre-production and actually falsifies ECUtests and b) ask why they didn't go back to 2006 where it is known that VAG started this behaviour. Has there been a remedy from VAG for early vehicles in this class? The news articles suggest that maybe there was a limited recall on such vehicles.
    What was that thing called again, oh yeah was it Stature of limitations?


    I am also tempted to confront AoA with my facts and findings and see if they will respond with a solution. The fact that my car actively falsifies emissions tests might get their attention in light of all the other things that have happened to them of late. Of course they could just ignore me too.

    Interesting thread. Thanks for the fun.

    Tempted?
    Is that the determination you solely made and did you verify it or capitulate your mistake for clearing codes if you made one, in regards to your aforementioned alleged purported falsifications?

    Wouldn't it be kind of hard to ignore you, especially when a mere search of photos on the internet could be crosschecked for the alleged pervasive pattern if you chose to do it, no?
    Fun indeed no, please let us know, okay?
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