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    Problems seeing Module 53 options on a Touareg

    I am using VCDS release 19.6.1 on Windows XP.

    I was looking to retract the brake linings on a 2014 Touareg 7p, so entered module 53 Parking brake, Basic settings. The only options I got was

    Static current measuring mode
    Air gap calibration
    Electromechanical parking brake erase activation counter
    Lamp Test
    Reset start up
    Setze Einschleif-Zustand

    Its UDS protocol. Why cant I see the option to retract or replace the parking brake linings.

    I have tried this on my A7 and I can see the options to retract and change the brake linings.

    Thanks

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    Have you seen our wiki? specifically...

    Unlike conventional EPB systems found in most VW/Audi models, the large majority of the steps required during and after rear brake repairs on a 7P Touareg are mechanical rather than scan tool related.
    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index..._Parking_Brake

    Please post an autoscan so we can see whats installed on this vehicle.

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    Some cars you need to go into the ABS to perform lining replacement. Check your ABS instead of 53 Parking break

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhinopower View Post
    Some cars you need to go into the ABS to perform lining replacement. Check your ABS instead of 53 Parking break
    No, a 7P Touareg definitely has a 53-Parking Brake module. But... It's a totally different animal than most EPB systems. Instead of using the the service brake's pads, it uses a set of dedicated brake shoes for the parking brake. These press outward against the interior of the rotor like a conventional drum brake. Have a look at the pictures here.

    This means you can change the disc pads without every touching the parking brake. However, if you change the rotors, then air-gap adjustment and griding-in will probably be required. See also the Wiki article Santos linked to above.

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    Thank you Uwe and everyone else. I have read the notes and watched the video and it appears that you don't go into basic settings on address 53 to retract the epb, but instead go into the Output test to "open calliper", do the work and then "close calliper" (meaning the motor for the shoes). This in-turn will produce a fault code which can only be cleared when the grinding process is done. Can someone confirm that my thinking is correct?

    My next thought is why cant I just remove and replace the discs without touching retracting the epb shoes. I should be able to do this given there is an airgap. I will of course have the risk of the epb activating whilst the disc is removed, but removal will only be for about 20 seconds.

    Dare I try to remove the disc without isolating the epb. MMM! You thoughts would be appreciated.

    Code:
    Finally the scan details are below:
    Tuesday,06,August,2019,09:30:46:10945
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
    VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0
    Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WVGZZZ7PZED048738   License Plate: 
    
    
    Chassis Type: 7P-VW52 (7P6)
    Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 42 46 52 53 55 56 5F 62 65
              6D 72
    
    VIN: WVGZZZ7PZED048738   Mileage: 103535km-64333miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
    6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (J623-CRCA)       Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 7P0 907 401 F    HW: 4G0 907 401 
       Component: 3.0TDI EDC17  H41 0007  
       Revision: 53H41---    
       Coding: 292A4012232601020000
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0117P0907401F 001008
       ROD: EV_ECM30TDI_VW52.rod
       VCID: 326097EC6505A0DF5F-8066
    
    1 Fault Found:
    5618 - Engine Off Timer Performance 
              P150A 00 [096] - -
              Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
    
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0C8-927-750.clb
       Part No SW: 0C8 927 750 BQ    HW: 0C8 927 750 BQ
       Component: AL1000 AISIN  002 2530  
       Serial number:               
       Coding: 003568
       Shop #: WSC 21075 002 1048576
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL991031 002115
       ROD: EV_TCMAL991031_002.rod
       VCID: 7CFC79D4F7C1A6AFC5-8028
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:* 7P0-907-379.clb
       Part No SW: 7P0 907 379 P    HW: 7P0 907 379 A
       Component: MK25A         H36 0446  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 412340010EC818
       Coding: 5B6B13C30928255BDAFBC89690DAA450F700
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MK25AXT 008001
       ROD: EV_ESPMK25A00800.rod
       VCID: 4A90EF0CED95C81F07-801E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
       Part No SW: 4H0 907 064 FH    HW: 4H0 907 064 EH
       Component: BCM2 2.0      H36 0551  
       Revision: 00002001    
       Coding: 05B60016000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: 74EC51F4D791EEEF8D-8020
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4H0 905 852 B    HW: 4H0 905 852 B
       Component: J764 ELV MLB  H40 0046 
       Serial number: 0214000089798013    
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 7P6-907-040.clb
       Part No SW: 7P6 907 040 BR    HW: 7P6 907 040 BR
       Component: Klima 2 Zonen H21 1306  
       Coding: B6A6000890
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirCondiFront 004001
       ROD: EV_AirCondiFront_VW52.rod
       VCID: 050A1C30840BE767AA-8050
    
    1 Fault Found:
    15360256 - Component Protection 
              U1101 00 [008] - Active
              Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 3
                        Reset counter: 210
                        Mileage: 101479 km
                        Date: 2019.06.16
                        Time: 12:27:16
    
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 4H0-907-063-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 4H0 907 063 CD    HW: 4H0 907 063 D
       Component: BCM1 2.0      H12 0130  
       Revision: 15012002    Serial number: 00000001883621
       Coding: 26001010D1345D010021000300005D0C431D470807010241000000020000
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: 6CDC49948FA1362F55-8038
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7P0 955 120     HW: 7P0 955 120 
       Component: WWS    140422  033 0021 
       Serial number: 90243401140506072615
       Coding: 004DBD
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 7P0 955 559 E    HW: 7P0 955 559 E  Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
       Component: RLFS  H10 0020 
       Serial number: 20316622            
       Coding: 025223
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7P6 941 431     HW: 7P6 941 431 
       Component: E1 - LDS  H04 0031 
       Serial number: 00000000000905140171
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 7P6-919-475.clb
       Part No SW: 7P6 919 475 C    HW: 7N0 919 475 
       Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H05 0026  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 28231413700671
       Coding: 108501
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       ASAM Dataset: EV_VW526ParkiAssis2 001012
       ROD: EV_VW526ParkiAssis2.rod
       VCID: 438EC228CABF1957C4-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 7P0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 7P0 959 655 E    HW: 7P0 959 655 E
       Component: VW10Airbag00K H10 0043  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 003NK0001H4P
       Coding: 00000000000000000000000000000000304B
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW526 002001
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW526_002_VW52.rod
       VCID: 438EC228CABF1957C4-8016
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 3575LRB401A50OF84H4%
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 3585LRB401E50OF880H4
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Serial number: 3517ARB405H2KCVM9OC7
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Serial number: 3527ARB405J2KCVMH08X
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 3557BRB401C50QLP9J7Q
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 3567BRB401C50QLOJBK+
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 4H0-953-568.clb
       Part No SW: 4H0 953 568 H    HW: 7P6 953 507 M
       Component: Lenks.Modul   H04 0005  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 01335NEE000US 
       Coding: 000C35
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: 3874A5C48B794A8F61-806C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7P6 959 542 A    HW: 7P6 959 542 A
       Component: E221__MFL-TAS  H04 0028 
       Serial number: 0047991 TRW 20140421
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 7P6-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
       Part No SW: 7P6 920 982 S    HW: 7P6 920 982 S
       Component: Kombi         H13 0419  
       Revision: 13240270    Serial number: 658200514592030
       Coding: 332731002B00260001000C
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       ASAM Dataset: EV_KombiUDSRBVW526 001020
       ROD: EV_KombiUDSRBVW526.rod
       VCID: 4E98E31C11FDE43F5B-801A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:* None
       Part No SW: 7P6 907 530 J    HW: 7P6 907 530 F
       Component: GW-CAN-L-MOST H13 6032  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 00000001393862
       Coding: 000D07AD00
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewVW526UDS 001007
       ROD: EV_GatewUDS_VW52.rod
       VCID: 3F86CED8A6577DB7A0-806A
    
       Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7P0 915 181 B    HW: 7P0 915 181 
       Component: Batt_Sensor  H07 0190 
       Serial number: 41128118475701187155
    
       Voltage stabilizer: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 7PP 959 663 E    HW: 7PP 959 663 E
       Component: J532_DCDCStab  H17 0042 
       Serial number: 14133001493011200181
    
    1 Fault Found:
    16384 - Function Restriction due to Driver Fatigue Recognition 
              B130E 00 [008] - -
              [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
              Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 72
                        Reset counter: 222
                        Mileage: 98710 km
                        Date: 2019.05.19
                        Time: 12:36:36
    
                        Voltage terminal 30: 14.7 V
                        Voltage terminal 15: 14.7 V
                        Control Module temperature: 36 °C
                        System status: Terminal 15 on
                        IN ESP_standstill flag: no standstill detected
                        Engine running: On
                        IN ZAS_Te_X: On
                        Terminal 15 status via CAN: On
                        Terminal 15 status: On
                        Datenfeld: 0
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 4H0-959-793.clb
       Part No SW: 4H0 959 793 AC    HW: 4H0 959 793 P
       Component: TSG FA        H02 0306  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 0000103201216 
       Coding: 011D1620D001451005080002
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: 7AF07FCCF5F5989FD7-802E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 4H0-907-064-46.clb
       Part No SW: 4H0 907 064 FH    HW: 4H0 907 064 EH
       Component: BCM2 2.0      H36 0551  
       Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0335487804    
       Coding: 011B1E2228B9109583200624010000000000000000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: 74EC51F4D791EEEF8D-8020
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7P6 951 171 
       Component: DWA-Sensor  002 0204 
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7P0 959 591 B    HW: 7P0 959 591 B
       Component: J245 PS30.055  H01 0008 
       Serial number:     WOO28986007     
       Coding: 191100
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 7P0 959 591 C    HW: 7P0 959 591 C
       Component: J394 PS30.055  H01 0008 
       Serial number:     WOO29263376     
       Coding: 191100
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 4H0-959-792.clb
       Part No SW: 4H0 959 792 S    HW: 4H0 959 792 M
       Component: TSG BF        H02 0306  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 0000103470223 
       Coding: 011D1620D001451005080000
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: 4894D504FB993A0F11-801C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 53: Parking Brake (J540-)       Labels:| 7P0-907-801.clb
       Part No SW: 7P0 907 801 F    HW: 7P0 907 801 F
       Component: EPB           H51 1201  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: C1451100775   
       Coding: 01040100
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkbA7 000006
       ROD: EV_ParkbA7.rod
       VCID: 3668ABFC896DBCFF73-8062
    
       Slave 3: 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range (J745)       Labels:. 7P6-907-357.clb
       Part No SW: 7P6 907 357     HW: 7L6 907 357 C
       Component: AFS-ECU       H04 0110  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 018E00000F000200
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFS 005006
       ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFS_VW52.rod
       VCID: 7CFC79D4F7C1A6AFC5-8028
    
       Left_headlamp_power_output_stage: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U0 941 329     HW: 8U0 941 329   Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
       Component: LeiMo links  H01 0003 
       Coding: 130000
    
       Right_headlamp_power_output_stage: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 941 329     HW: 8U0 941 329   Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
       Component: LeiMo rechts  H01 0003 
       Coding: 130000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 4G0 035 061 N    HW: 4G0 035 061 
       Component: Radio U DAB   H60 0139  
       Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 109E50E7926865
       Coding: 010105020100000003
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: 285475845BD9DA0FF1-807C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
       Part No SW: 7P6 035 670 G    HW: 7P6 035 670 A
       Component: H-BNT-EU      H40 0822  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 444EQ0EB000503
       Coding: 010101050040E1ED01000B0E00000003F00401030000000000
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: 3972A0C0B07353879E-806C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 BT
       Component: EUR 2014  1903 
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 7P6 919 603     HW: 7P6 919 603 
       Component: DU8 SV Touch  H27 0045 
       Serial number: VWZ8Z9PA20165A      
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7P6 919 603     HW: 7P6 919 603 
       Component: DU8 SV Touch  H26 0045 
       Serial number: VWZ8Z9PA20165A      
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 G
       Component: CD-Database  5950 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 4H0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 4H0 959 795 P    HW: 4H0 959 795 J
       Component: TSG HL        H03 0306  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 0000103503334 
       Coding: 011814200001251005080000
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: 4894D504FB993A0F11-801C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 65: Tire Pressure (J502)       Labels: 3Y0-907-273.clb
       Part No SW: 7P6 907 273 K    HW: 7P6 907 273 K
       Component: RDKBERU25     H09 0009  
       Serial number: 10000000130746
       ASAM Dataset: EV_RDKBERU25 003006
       ROD: EV_RDKBERU25_VW52.rod
       VCID: 448CC134CFB11E6FFD-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (----)       Labels:| 7N0-959-107.clb
       Part No SW: 7P6 959 107 C    HW: 7P6 959 107 
       Component: HDSG-Modul    H10 0043  
       Revision: 22010001    Serial number: 127400299
       Coding: 0533314002
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       ASAM Dataset: EV_HeckkTouar 202142
       ROD: EV_HeckkTouar.rod
       VCID: 3F86CED8A6577DB7A0-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 4H0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 4H0 959 795 P    HW: 4H0 959 795 J
       Component: TSG HR        H03 0306  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 0000103502287 
       Coding: 011814200001251005080000
       Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
       VCID: 4894D504FB993A0F11-801C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 05:16)--------------------------
    Last edited by Uwe; 08-07-2019 at 03:26 PM. Reason: CODE tags

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    Why would the EPB activate while you've got the disk off?

    If you're replacing the disks, you might have to adjust the air gap and do the grinding in through, but personally, I would try it without and see what happens.

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