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    7N0 907 530 BC CAN Gateway / Persistent Battery Module Problem

    I've updated my gateway in preparation for a MIB2 installation and noticed that with the 7N0 907 530 BC gateway, address 61- Battery Regulator shows up in the installed modules list even though I do not have it selected in Installed Modules. I get the errors for both the regulator and the gateway being unable to communicate with it. My car being a 2006 Mk5 Jetta, there is no battery regulator installed.

    61- Battery Regulator goes away if I select "Module not coded" in the Long Coding for the gateway. The other two options are Platform- PQ35/PQ36 and Platform- PQ45/PQ46. Although PQ35 is the proper option, I experimented with selecting both and both selections bring back Module 61 and the associated errors. Am I affecting anything by selecting "Module not coded" to suppress the errors?

    Autoscan:
    Code:
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 47 52 56 62 65 72 77
    7D
    VIN: 3VWCT81K96M853017 Mileage: 495020km-307591miles
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    61-Battery Regul. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    7D-Aux. Heat -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-016-BEW.lbl
    Part No SW: 03G 906 016 AB HW: 028 101 223 8
    Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000SG 7550
    Revision: --H05--- Serial number: VWZ7Z0F9021843
    Coding: 0050071
    Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032
    VCID: 63CFBB49A2B58E57E4-8036
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 X
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
    Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
    Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101
    Revision: 00H11001
    Coding: 0021122
    Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
    VCID: 73EFCB0912551ED794-8026
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
    Part No: 1K0 820 047 GS
    Component: Climatic PQ35 120 0606
    Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
    VCID: 7BFFE3293A055697CC-802E
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels:. 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
    Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 Q HW: 3C0 937 049 Q
    Component: Bordnetz-SG H46 1501
    Revision: 00H46000 Serial number: 00000000504314
    Coding: 04018E1700041500070000001E0000000029B5035C0000
    Shop #: WSC 00066 123 12345
    VCID: 37773F1946ADB2F768-8062
    Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
    Component: Wischer 061206 020 0501
    Coding: 00065535
    Shop #: WSC 00066
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
    Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
    Component: 69 AIRBAG VW8R 034 8000
    Revision: 05034000 Serial number: 003B6D077VF7
    Coding: 0013881
    Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
    VCID: 6CDDD0754F6BC12F55-8038
    Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 F
    Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0005
    Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME13031560X
    Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME1303140F%
    Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6351HSME0B480A6DJ
    Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6361HSME0B4C225CG
    Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME0B2F127A8
    Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME0B2F09211
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
    Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AQ HW: 1K0 953 549 AQ
    Component: J0527 036 0070
    Coding: 0002021
    Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
    VCID: 010391C158E93C4796-8054
    Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
    Component: E0221 002 0010
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
    Part No SW: 1K0 920 973 D HW: 1K0 920 973 D
    Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT 3HL 1610
    Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0F9021843
    Coding: 0023203
    Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
    VCID: 2E591A7DB9F7733F3B-807A
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
    Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 BC HW: 7N0 907 530 AN
    Component: J533 Gateway H56 1663
    Revision: H56 Serial number: 06011603000105
    Coding: 351022
    Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
    VCID: 72E1CE0DAD4F17DF9F-8026
    1 Fault Found:
    03406 - Control Module for Battery Monitoring
    004 - No Signal/Communication
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 01100100
    Fault Priority: 2
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 98
    Mileage: 495025 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2000.00.00
    Time: 20:16:35
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 1C: Position Sensing Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
    Part No SW: 1K5 919 965 A HW: 1K5 919 965 A
    Component: Kompass 005 0004
    Revision: 00005000 Serial number: 1293324T2GZJ04
    Coding: 0000003
    Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
    VCID: 3973392170B9A4879E-806C
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
    Part No SW: 1K0 920 973 D HW: 1K0 920 973 D
    Component: IMMO 3HL 1610
    Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0F9021843
    Shop #: WSC 25159 444 68464
    VCID: 2E591A7DB9F7733F3B-807A
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
    Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 P HW: 1K0 959 793 L
    Component: J386 TUER-SG FT 1127
    Revision: 32008001 Serial number: 00000503169130
    Coding: 0001205
    Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
    VCID: 3B7F23297A8596978C-806E
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
    Part No: 1K1 909 144 L
    Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.069 H07 1806
    Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
    VCID: 346D081557DB59EF4D-8060
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv. Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
    Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
    Component: KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0218
    Revision: 00052000 Serial number: 00000000000000
    Coding: 13900F880186407F6D04048560880F0488DC00
    Shop #: WSC 00066 123 12345
    VCID: 040D98D547FB296FBD-8050
    Subsystem 1 - Component: Sounder n.mounted
    Subsystem 2 - Component: NGS n.mounted
    Subsystem 3 - Component: IRUE n.mounted
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 47: Sound System Labels: 3C0-035-456.clb
    Part No: 1K6 035 456 A
    Component: 08K Audioverst. 0005
    Revision: 00003000 Serial number: 00000000102854
    Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
    VCID: 2A51166D851F1F1FE7-807E
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
    Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 P HW: 1K0 959 792 L
    Component: J387 TUER-SG BT 1127
    Revision: 32008001 Serial number: 00000048769129
    Coding: 0001204
    Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
    VCID: 3C7D20357F8B91AF85-8068
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J503) Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
    Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 AF HW: 1K0 035 180 AF
    Component: Radio Prem-8 H05 0008
    Revision: -----09S Serial number: VWZ4Z7N3462047
    Coding: 01010000010007
    Shop #: WSC 00066 123 12345
    VCID: 64CDB85567BB896F1D-8030
    2 Faults Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
    004 - No Signal/Communication
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 01100100
    Fault Priority: 6
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 98
    Mileage: 495025 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2000.00.00
    Time: 20:08:52
    02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated
    000 - -
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 01100000
    Fault Priority: 7
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 98
    Mileage: 495025 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2000.00.00
    Time: 20:08:52
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
    Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 Q HW: 1K0 959 795 J
    Component: J388 TUER-SG HL 1115
    Revision: 12005001 Serial number: 00000000799556
    Coding: 0001168
    Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
    VCID: 3E792A3D699783BFAB-806A
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
    Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
    Component: RDK 0440
    Revision: 00052000 Serial number: 00000000000000
    Coding: 0100101
    Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
    VCID: 040D98D547FB296FBD-8050
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
    Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 Q HW: 1K0 959 794 J
    Component: J389 TUER-SG HR 1115
    Revision: 12005001 Serial number: 00000000769867
    Coding: 0001168
    Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
    VCID: 3F8757396E9D8AB7A0-806A
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 77: Telephone (J412) Labels:| 7P6-035-730.clb
    Part No SW: 7P6 035 730 F HW: 7P6 035 730 F
    Component: TELEFON H09 2902
    Revision: 1B001001 Serial number: 00007660254358
    Coding: 0A10040000010100
    Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
    ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA A01719
    ROD: UHVNA.rod
    VCID: 356B351194A140E77A-8060
    2 Faults Found:
    9455635 - Telephone Microphone
    B1048 13 [009] - Open Circuit
    Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 00000001
    Fault Priority: 4
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 98
    Mileage: 495025 km
    Date: 2000.00.00
    Time: 20:09:28
    9458195 - Control Module for Cellular Telephone
    B1052 13 [009] - Open Circuit
    [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
    Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 00000001
    Fault Priority: 4
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 98
    Mileage: 495025 km
    Date: 2000.00.00
    Time: 20:09:28
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 7D: Aux. Heat Labels: 1K0-963-235.lbl
    Part No SW: 1K0 963 235 E HW: 1K0 963 235 E
    Component: PTC-Element 0404
    Revision: 00800000 Serial number:
    Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
    VCID: 2D5B1D71B4F1082702-8078
    2 Faults Found:
    00361 - Heater Element for Auxiliary Heater (Z35)
    014 - Defective
    01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
    005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:09)--------------------------

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    Strange.

    What do you have in the Gateway's Adaptation Channel 18?

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    Old cars use 2 x GND wire go GW
    when in NEW cars (with battery monitor system) one of that wire is going to LIN to battery
    so you must remove one GND wire

    compare ELSA drawing
    HOT HOT HOT VW Touran 2005 with ACC HOT HOT HOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Strange.

    What do you have in the Gateway's Adaptation Channel 18?

    -Uwe-
    ERROR: Adaptation channel not available (or words to that effect- forgot to screenshot).

    New observation:
    Changed "Platform" to PQ35, errors for gateway and battery regulator came back.
    Cleared all codes, then re-ran full autoscan. No errors. Battery regulator gone.
    Exit VCDS and power cycled ignition, errors and battery regulator are back.

    None of this is causing a driveability concern. I'm just a curious person and would love to figure out the "why" behind this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacewalker View Post
    Old cars use 2 x GND wire go GW
    when in NEW cars (with battery monitor system) one of that wire is going to LIN to battery
    so you must remove one GND wire

    compare ELSA drawing
    I presume it matters which one? And removing that one wire from the gateway will make it forget about trying to find a ghost battery regulator?

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    On my Touran I removed the earth from T20/12 on the gateway plug:

    https://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...l=1#post136615
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    Thanks to all for the tips! Once I get some time I'll pull that pin from the gateway plug and tape it back.

    Working on these cars is so interesting. On one hand, it's neat how modular and common many components across the years are. On the other, it's always interesting to see what kind of quirks pop up when you combine parts in "non-standard configurations".

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    It's like Lego... but with a few bits of meccano scattered in there.

    And then the platform changes...

    and it's like all different coloured poo.
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