MK60EC1 retrofit to replace MK70

Tharkhold · Jul 31, 2019

Good day,

first off, I've look, and can't find a specific example of retrofitting an 60EC1 module in an MK5 with ASR70 (if you know where, please tell me!).

I've got an EC1 unit from a MK6 Golf, and gotten all the other little pieces to do the swap. I've been collecting various brake/suspension upgrades and want to do all these at once (Boxter calipers, aluminium hubs/LCAs, read alu spindles, passat wheel bearings).

Is there someone here that has access to tool required for coding this new EC1 unit into my car? I can send the relevant numbers/details no issues.

Also, does anyone have a pinout for the ASR70? Again, I've look 'round the interwebs but the only things I found were pinouts for the MK5 EC60...

I've got a bunch of abs unit connectors that I yanked out from various scrapped cards, and will put pictures up on here so others to see and use

Cheers

PetrolDave · Jul 31, 2019

If you post a full VCDS Auto-Scan of the car with the 60EC1 fitted it's very likely some of the experts on here will be able to advise and help you...

m87a · Jul 31, 2019

post full auto scan and code can be generated
worth to read
http://forum.skoda-club.ru/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=32543&start=180

Tharkhold · Jul 31, 2019

I haven't fitted the EC1 unit on my car, and the donor car is long gone.

I'll post the autoscan of my car with its current MK70 unit when I get back home today

m87a said:
post full auto scan and code can be generated
worth to read
http://forum.skoda-club.ru/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=32543&start=180

Also, can you confirm that the website works? Im at work now and network is telling me it isn't.. (might be a firewall issue though).

Mari · Jul 31, 2019

Website works... think you have some restrictions for visiting parts of the WWW

Tharkhold · Jul 31, 2019

Mari said:
Website works... think you have some restrictions for visiting parts of the WWW

Yeah, it probably thinks that "Car porn" is the same as "porn". haha

Tharkhold · Aug 1, 2019

Morning,

I tried the .ru site, and yeah, even with google translate it's not easy to understand.

That being said, here's my autoscan:

(I had my radiator changed recently... guessing that's what those codes are for!)

MAP: dirty filter - fixed.
Steering: wtf as I have a sfsw (single function

)
Doors: don't care, and I know about these on mk5's - will likely change all door modules for mk6
Radio/Can gateway: no clue - prob related to rns nav feature.

Code:

Thursday,01,August,2019,06:38:22:50436
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64(VirtualBox)
VCDS Version 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWCA71K58W052753   License Plate: FNG
Mileage: 132570km-82375mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1K-VW35 (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 37 42 44 46 52 56 62 72

VIN: WVWCA71K58W052753   Mileage: 132570km-82375miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Not registered 0011
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: Malfunction 0010
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Address 01: Engine (CBT)       Labels: 06A-906-032-BGP.lbl
   Part No SW: 07K 906 032 BK    HW: 07K 906 032 Q
   Component: 2,5l R5/4V      G   1568  
   Revision: 1NH01---    Serial number: VWX7Z0G53NC9G8
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032
   VCID: 73B0D7A8D7B978DFC7B-8027

3 Faults Found:
000262 - Manifold / Barometric Pressure Sensor (G71) / (F96) 
               P0106 - 004 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 14
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 129308 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 16:53:01

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 718 /min
                    Load: 19.6 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 95.0°C
                    Temperature: 39.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1000.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 12.573 V

006481 - Radiator Fan 2 (V177) 
               P1951 - 002 - Movement Restricted / Jammed - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 36
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 130928 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 09:53:31

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 2505 /min
                    Load: 12.2 %
                    Speed: 78.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 56.0°C
                    Temperature: 25.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1000.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.224 V

001152 - Coolant Fan Control Circuit 1 
               P0480 - 004 - Electrical Malfunction - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 14
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 130985 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 20:00:26

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 2026 /min
                    Load: 13.3 %
                    Speed: 78.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 82.0°C
                    Temperature: 33.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1000.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.843 V

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK70.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 379 P
   Component: ASR FRONT MK70      0105  
   Coding: 0017025
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 3FD84B98AB71ECBFF33-806B

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 HC    HW: 1K0 820 047 HC
   Component: Climatic PQ35   141 1010  
   Revision: 00141028    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6C82CCD48A87A727061-8039

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AH    HW: 3C0 937 049 AH
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2202  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000007951380
   Coding: 008D0F214004150047140000001400000009730B5C000100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 785 00200
   VCID: 6FB8DBD8BB915C3F233-803B

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 180208 021  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 12345  

1 Fault Found:
01505 - Bulb for Blinkers; Rear Right (M8) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 53
                    Mileage: 129286 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2005.09.13
                    Time: 31:63:63

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 14.45 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        ON


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
   Component: 6L AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
   Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6D0ALB5.  
   Coding: 0013900
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: 6C82CCD48A87A727061-8039

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME2A606A08D

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME2B724C2EQ

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME56504177C

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME56043A63F

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 63727SME13354603S

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63827SME12370320M

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BN    HW: 1K0 953 549 BN
   Component: J0527           051 0100  
   Coding: 0000022
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 7F580B98EBF12CBFB33-802B

5 Faults Found:
00576 - Terminal 15 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00883 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal S 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00884 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal X 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
01744 - Ignition Switch Terminal P (D) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00885 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal 50 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 854 T    HW: 1K0 920 854 T
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1222  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H13NM89T
   Coding: 0007303
   Shop #: WSC 94759 999 54046
   VCID: 3C223C94BA67F7A7D61-8069

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 L    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H15 0180  
   Revision:   H15       Serial number: 1400K082150180
   Coding: E9807F044002020002
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 303A18A4662F03C77A9-8065

1 Fault Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 18
                    Reset counter: 17
                    Mileage: 122896 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 00:29:21


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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 854 T    HW: 1K0 920 854 T
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1222  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H13NM89T
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3C223C94BA67F7A7D61-8069

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J794)       Labels:| 1K0-035-27x-37.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 274 D    HW: 1K0 035 274 D
   Component: RNS315-NAR    H53 0319  
   Serial number: VWZAZ2M4253450
   Coding: 0000040104000B000000100A
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RNS315NARV2UDS 001705
   ROD: EV_RNS315NARV2UDS.rod
   VCID: 2514F9F0256D566F99F-8071

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3AA 919 866 B
   Component: NAR_V9N  0070 

1 Fault Found:
1048632 - Antenna 1 for Radio 
          B1119 13 [008] - Open Circuit
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 33
                    Mileage: 130163 km
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 07:16:34


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1219  
   Coding: 0001205
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 382A20848E5FDB87329-806D

2 Faults Found:
00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220) 
            008 - Implausible Signal
00105 - Signal Central Locking SAVE/LOCK Drivers Side 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.069 H08 1901  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
   VCID: 353429B0994D26EF29F-8061

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CA    HW: 1K0 959 433 CA
   Component:    KSG PQ35 G2  020 0204  
   Revision: 00020000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 9B9006885103283F0904058FB0080F0488FC80
   Shop #: WSC 12345 785 00200
   VCID: 71BCDDA0ADA54ACF357-8025

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1219  
   Coding: 0001204
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 392C2580B555C28FCD7-806D

1 Fault Found:
01553 - Motor for Central Locking; Passenger Door (V57); Lock 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 K    HW: 1K0 959 703 K
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1305  
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 1012552
   VCID: 382A20848E5FDB87329-806D

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 K    HW: 1K0 959 704 K
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1305  
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 1012552
   VCID: 392C2580B555C28FCD7-806D

2 Faults Found:
01554 - Motors for Central Locking; Rear Doors; Lock 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
00931 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Rear Right (F223) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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Tharkhold · Aug 1, 2019

Well, the connections for Mk6's in Canada seems to be slightly different than the USA (RoW?)

I opened a connector I got from an MK6 (VIN 3VWDX7AJ9CM342753):

Comparing to this:

The "FR" sensor wires are a different color, I don't have a "tire pressure sensor" on 35 or an "ESP switch" wire on 39.

I know that TPMS was conpulsory in the USA from 2007+... not so much here.

I'm also not sure why there wouldn't be a wire for the "ESC switch" though since it's in the car.

Tharkhold · Aug 1, 2019

I still need help for the EC1 module coding from one of you gurus out there

I also asked in mygolfgti forum for assistance

downtime · Aug 1, 2019

Naturally you don’t have ESP swltch as MK70 only had ASR.

TPMS is not necessary, but if you want it, it would be easy to wire it at this point.

What comes to ec1 coding, I think it’s doable but you probably need to make the change first so you can try the codes. Car works fine with uncoded abs block except you don’t have esp nor abs but brakes generally work.

Tharkhold · Aug 1, 2019

downtime said:
Naturally you don’t have ESP swltch as MK70 only had ASR.

TPMS is not necessary, but if you want it, it would be easy to wire it at this point.

What comes to ec1 coding, I think it’s doable but you probably need to make the change first so you can try the codes. Car works fine with uncoded abs block except you don’t have esp nor abs but brakes generally work.

I meant that the donor car mk6 esp connector (pictured above) doesn't have an "esp switch" wired in the connector, which I find odd since in my car, with the MK70, I have an "asr off" switch. I know cars have "Esp off" switches

Uwe · Aug 1, 2019

Am I the only one around here who is wondering why a person would want to do this?

-Uwe-

Tharkhold · Aug 1, 2019

Uwe said:
Am I the only one around here who is wondering why a person would want to do this?

-Uwe-

What? I want to add an ESP ABS unit to my car instead of the more limited ASR... Better handling/etc for the winters here. I don't want the TPMS thing though.

After this newer unit is installed, I'm adding a colour MFD cluster (which I can't do with the ASR unit).

I'm not sure why one would ask "why" for an obvious upgrade??

Spacewalker · Aug 2, 2019

Uwe said:
Am I the only one around here who is wondering why a person would want to do this?

-Uwe-

most important reason in EU is swap to UDS cluster in older cars

downtime · Aug 2, 2019

Tharkhold said:
I meant that the donor car mk6 esp connector (pictured above) doesn't have an "esp switch" wired in the connector, which I find odd since in my car, with the MK70, I have an "asr off" switch. I know cars have "Esp off" switches

Sorry, didn't mean to be "nosey". Now I understand what you meant

You're right, it's a bit odd. Car should have ESP off switch with mk60EC1 pump.

I did the swap to our previous wifey's car from MK60 to MK60EC1. Creating the right coding was the longest part. Took about a week to get it correct. But it's doable. EC1 bytes are quite well documented so creating the code is not that hard.

langers2k · Aug 2, 2019

I did a MK70M to MK60EC1 swap on my Octavia (similar to a MK6 golf) which was pretty simple. It only needed the ABS connector/pump/mount changing, an additional power feed, brake fluid bleeding and coding/adaptions.

I believe your swap will be slightly harder as the brake line sizes changed between the MK60 and MK60EC1 pumps so it wouldn't surprise if they change between the MK70 and MK60EC1. Certainly worth checking if you haven't already...

The wiring you've posted is for a MK60 to MK60EC1 probably isn't too useful as I'm pretty sure your existing MK70 is a 26 pin connector. I'd suggest you use erwin or similar to check the existing wiring diagrams for your car to confirm how the MK70 is wired and the colours.

I used the following wiring info to complete my retrofit. You'd need to check the MK70 and MK70M share the same wiring and I expect the wiring colours will be mostly incorrect

Code:

MK70M			
Pin	Size	Colour		Connection
1	4.0	red		Fuse25 E-box (40A)
2	0.5	brown		G46 -
3	0.5	black		G46 +
4	0.35	black		TCS switch
5	0.5	black		G45 +
6	0.5	green		G45 -
7	0.35	purple/gray	TPMS switch
8	0.5	brown		G47-
9	0.5	black		G47+
			
11	0.5	black		G44 +
12	0.5	brown		G44 -
			
16	0.35	black/red	A18 (brake pedal)
17	0.35	blue/yellow	link to 22
			
20	0.5	black/gray	A38 (power)
21	0.35	orange/brown	CANL
22	0.35	blue/yellow	link to 17
23	0.35	orange/black	CANH
			
26	4.0	brown		640 (earth)

MK60EC1			
Pin	Size	Colour		Connection
1	2.5	red/green	Fuse25 E-box (40A)
			
8	0.5	black/gray	A38 (power)
			
12	0.35	orange/black	CANH
13	0.35	orange/brown	CANL
			
32	2.5	red		Fuse4 E-box (20A)
33	0.5	green		G45 -
34	0.5	black		G45 +
35	0.35	purple/gray	TPMS switch
36	0.5	black		G46 +
37	0.5	brown		G46 -
38	0.35	black/red	A18 (brake pedal)
39	0.35	black		ESP switch
			
42	0.5	brown		G44 -
43	0.5	black		G44 +
			
45	0.5	black		G47+
46	0.5	brown		G47-
47	4.0	brown		640 (earth)

Tharkhold · Aug 2, 2019

^ Hi, thanks for those details.

I also read a lot of these conversions on various .co.uk forums (eddieNL), and 70-units should have the same brakeline hole sizes as the 60ec1

If not, brake lines from VW aren't that expensive.

I also know that any ABS module that's incorrectly coded/non-functional will still allow the normal use of the brakes, but I read that since 60ec1 are only codable from VW, that the unit may possibly never work.

What did you do for the coding? Did you take the old unit code + 00 then the adaptation in the same ignition cycle??

My next step is to go to a yard and extract a MK70 connector and receptable to have a side-by-side comparison like the picture I made/posted in page 1 (I'm a visual and touchy feely person).

Also, yeah, i want a cluster upgrade to a colour MFD from an mk6 later on as I also have an mfsw/rns that i want to be able to 'link' to a highline screen

*Maybe* also do a cecm+ccm to bcm mod... *maybe*

downtime · Aug 2, 2019

I hope this helps. Here's the MK70 to MK60EC1 swap pinout. In Polish but I think you can use Google to translate it

This picture also has the brake line sizes. And yes, they change. I think these are the front brake lines + brake servo. Get new brake lines, DO NOT use adapters. I tried that and it was a failure. I never could get them to hold. They were leaking under hard braking so no go. After fitting new brake lines I had zero issues. Front ones are VERY easy to change.

Tharkhold · Aug 2, 2019

^ Cheers

I'm going to 'de-pin' my current wires from my 26pin '70' connector, and re-pin them in the correct MK6 MK60EC1 47pin one.

One this I noticed, does the polarity matter for the sensors? I see G46+ and G46- on wiring diagrams, does it matter or is it like a resistor where +/- doesnt make a difference.

Did you have to change the support braket that sits between the car frame and the pump unit given the weight difference?

langers2k · Aug 2, 2019

Tharkhold said:
What did you do for the coding? Did you take the old unit code + 00 then the adaptation in the same ignition cycle??

The original MK70m coding is completely different to the MK60EC1 so adding 00 won't help.

I collected as many autoscans as I could find online for other similar cars, based on that info and a label file someone created for VCDS, I was able to come up with a code that worked. Most of it is pretty well understood these days...

Given a Golf is hardly an unusual car I'd be surprised if someone wasn't able to craft a working lcode.

Tharkhold said:
I see G46+ and G46- on wiring diagrams, does it matter or is it like a resistor where +/- doesnt make a difference.

Did you have to change the support braket that sits between the car frame and the pump unit given the weight difference?

I believe you do need to get the wheel sensors the correct way round. This is why I used erwin to confirm the original pinout for the old ABS unit.

I had to change the bracket so I'd expect you would too

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