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    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    May I recommend the value of retirement. IMHO -it's by far the very best of pursuits and the longer that it is delayed, the greater the lost years !!!
    I'll add my recommendation to this.

    I retired 3 years ago just before my 60th birthday, and am thoroughly enjoying not having to deal with younger managers intent on making the same mistakes I did decades earlier who refuse to listen to my advice because "things are different now"

    Now I do what I want, when I want and how I want - so jobs get done easier, better and quicker and right first time. My stress levels are closer to zero than they have been for decades

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolDave View Post

    Now I do what I want, when I want and how I want - so jobs get done easier, better and quicker and right first time. My stress levels are closer to zero than they have been for decades
    Dave: A little off-topic, but with Uwe's indulgence I'll make a final point for those who are new to retirement. It's an error that I made and it's one of my earliest learning-s: the tendency when starting is to substitute previous work practices into retirement. But retirement isn't (or rather, shouldn't be) about achievement. It's about pursuing a different shareholder's imperatives (i.e. yours!!). So it's quite OK occasionally to achieve nothing - totally sans Catholic guilt!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    But retirement isn't (or rather, shouldn't be) about achievement.
    I agree 100% - doing "what I want" sometimes means doing nothing more than just thinking about stuff

    Back on topic - when will the new Orion first carry Americans into orbit - let alone the Moon or Mars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    So where were you when you saw that?

    -Uwe-
    This old fart was glued to the family tv at home. I was so into the space stuff... wanted to design and build those machines -wanted to work for NASA. (Instead, I ended up missing the government agency by one letter: NSA! )

    Built several models... Mercury, Gemini, Apollo... I watched as many of the events as I could for I was fascinated by the idea of going into space when I was a kid. Born in '56, the space race was at its pinnacle when I was a boy of age to watch it all. Did I understand all that was happening and what it was all about? No.

    I didn't understand the day we had to run home and get in the basement in the fetal position owing to the Cuban missile crisis either! A 6 year old doesn't really understand all that stuff. I thought my life was over. We were taught to hate the Russians - they were evil.

    Funny aside: one of our distributors has become a close friend. His country was behind the "Iron Curtain". His parents and I are about the same age. During my first trip to their home, we sitting at dinner and his mom said that I was not what she expected an American to be. I asked for an explanation. She told that they were raised to fear the evil awful Americans. I began to laugh. I did offend her. But I then explained that I too grew up fearing those who I did know... that I was taught to fear just as they were. I think now we are great friends. Oh, that we could learn to know each other as people and not as citizens of a country.

    Yes Uwe. Moments such as these are permanently impressed upon our memories...

    (incidentally, this weekend I watched documentaries rehashing some of the space launch events and the moon walk)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    You have just entered the "pensive decade" - a time to re-appraise how best to use the forward years! May I recommend the value of retirement. IMHO -it's by far the very best of pursuits and the longer that it is delayed, the greater the lost years !!!
    I have been in that decade for several years. I understand your words completely. I tell Uwe regularly that my focus is different now.

    I have to wait until 67 to even consider stepping out owing to choices made earlier in life. I did not fund my retirement for many years and as a result, I have been playing "catch-up" for all 15 years I have been with Ross-Tech. Yet I long to do that which I want to do rather than doing what the job requires I do. The idea that I could get up and just read a book, ponder my navel, take a walk and not have to have any destination in mind, and so on, appeals more and more to me.

    Uwe's mountain does not help matters.. I have an affinity for playing on the machines he has and being on land like that. It speaks to my soul and relaxes me. I make the 7 hour trek as often as the little women will allow for she does not feel such affinity and is home body. Keeping the balance and peace, I try to travel there once a month in the warmer months.

    I keep wondering what I might do when I grow up and stop this daily chore of working for a living. I am still thinking on that subject. I do want to be active and to use my brain for as long as my body allows. Even now, I notice things slipping away - I try to remember something, a name, a place, a road... and the memory fails.. If I wait too long, I fear that my health will become the defining factor and retirement may not be what I would hope. And yet, the reality is, one has to have the means to support oneself and one's loved ones.

    Uwe has been a huge help in closing the underfunded gap. He takes good care of this old fart. He seems to like the smell of him since he keeps him around!

    But wait - he is rarely in this office... maybe he doesn't like the smell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    I have been in that decade for several years. I understand your words completely. I tell Uwe regularly that my focus is different now.
    Arhh........ a kindred spirit - I knew that there was a reason why I like your writing style!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    I have to wait until 67 to even consider stepping out owing to choices made earlier in life. I did not fund my retirement for many years and as a result, I have been playing "catch-up" for all 15 years I have been with Ross-Tech. Yet I long to do that which I want to do rather than doing what the job requires I do. The idea that I could get up and just read a book, ponder my navel, take a walk and not have to have any destination in mind, and so on, appeals more and more to me.
    hmm..... let me invite that you think differently :mundane matters in retirement such as finance should be left for your bank manager to contemplate. At your (young) age, you have earned the right not to be bothered by such trivia!!

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    Uwe's mountain does not help matters.. I have an affinity for playing on the machines he has and being on land like that. It speaks to my soul and relaxes me. I make the 7 hour trek as often as the little women will allow for she does not feel such affinity and is home body. Keeping the balance and peace, I try to travel there once a month in the warmer months.
    Sounds that (like me) you are a closet "hole-digger". I like nothing better than getting into a front-end loader and dig-away. And, when I've finished my hole -it's sheer bliss to move it to another location. I'm waiting for "hole-moving" to become an Olympic event - I reckon that i'm already an elite athlete in that sport!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    I keep wondering what I might do when I grow up and stop this daily chore of working for a living. I am still thinking on that subject. I do want to be active and to use my brain for as long as my body allows. Even now, I notice things slipping away - I try to remember something, a name, a place, a road... and the memory fails.. If I wait too long, I fear that my health will become the defining factor and retirement may not be what I would hope. And yet, the reality is, one has to have the means to support oneself and one's loved ones.
    Entirely agree - the sad truth is that it's a race against time and health. My mantra is that it's far better to make the transition to retirement under my-own terms - rather than to be forced into the decision by an "event" (which could include a personal catastrophe, or heaven forbid a dire situation that befalls a loved-one) The single most important realization in the "pensive decade" is that the target years for planned enjoyment purpose are not related to longevity - but rather the binding constraint is healthy years!!

    But enough of gratuitous philosophy - where's my back-hoe? ho-ho-ho

    Don
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    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    Arhh........ a kindred spirit - I knew that there was a reason why I like your writing style!![
    Thank you and yes, I think we do have a kindred spirit.

    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    hmm..... let me invite that you think differently :mundane matters in retirement such as finance should be left for your bank manager to contemplate. At your (young) age, you have earned the right not to be bothered by such trivia!!
    Others have said similar things to me Don. The sad reality is that bank managers or financial managers are mainly in it to take what they can take. My best interest is not their best interest. Their best interest is to separate me from as much as they can so that they make commissions.

    Yes I am cynical when it comes to who should manage my finances. I will not tell you I have done really well in that department but I will say that all the choices made have been my choices with no pressure from others. As in all things, some of my choices have been good; others really bad. I would rather the choices be mine and I would rather study trends and so on myself, speaking with friends and others whose council I value. I do understand that some financial counselors give great advice. I have not found those as yet.


    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    Sounds that (like me) you are a closet "hole-digger". I like nothing better than getting into a front-end loader and dig-away. And, when I've finished my hole -it's sheer bliss to move it to another location. I'm waiting for "hole-moving" to become an Olympic event - I reckon that i'm already an elite athlete in that sport!
    Not a hole digger.... but an Olympic weed whacker! I use the brush hog to push the woods back, to help cut trails, to make places where people can have access and enjoy the land. We are adding a front loader to the tractor this summer - scheduled for late August - and we are also adding a box blade.. Another childhood dream of mine was to operate heavy road construction machines. The plan is for Uwe and me to do some driveway work. The middle of the road is getting high is some places and needs to be spread. Maybe I will become a challenger to your hole digging title. I assure you I am not yet a novice with a front loader. I will make rookie mistakes but hope to always keep in mind the safety issues and not do stupid things that could hurt someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    Entirely agree - the sad truth is that it's a race against time and health. My mantra is that it's far better to make the transition to retirement under my-own terms - rather than to be forced into the decision by an "event" (which could include a personal catastrophe, or heaven forbid a dire situation that befalls a loved-one) The single most important realization in the "pensive decade" is that the target years for planned enjoyment purpose are not related to longevity - but rather the binding constraint is healthy years!!

    But enough of gratuitous philosophy - where's my back-hoe? ho-ho-ho

    Don
    I have 2 friends who have suffered major strokes. One of the two is doing ok but is not the person he was.

    The other is not ok. He now lives under supervised care 24/7. He does not have full function of his legs, his balance, and other body functions. He has no short term memory - only long term. When you see him and speak with him, he may remember things from long past but he will not remember anything from 5 minutes ago. In fact, he remembers nothing from the moment of the stroke 2-1/2 years ago. It depresses me to no end. He is my 2nd best friend from school days. My best friend and I hung out with this guy for countless hours and we stayed in touch all these years. This guy I am speaking of was an unbelievable master wood craftsman. The things he built were sought after by the most prestigious people on the East Coast. All gone now. He never mentions wood or wood working. Wood was his life and he built a successful business around fashioning items in wood. The pressure of the business is in part what led to this stroke. But he also had diabetes all his life.

    As I look to this pensive decade, I fear that such could happen to me for my family has a history of heart problems and strokes. It is sobering to be in this pensive decade and any who are outside this decade cannot grasp the concepts about which we are speaking. Did we grasp it in our 40's or 50's? I know I did not.

    How many friends have you lost Don? Too many is my answer.

    One wise elderly Aunt said to me, "The most precious gift you are given is time. You are given a finite amount and you cannot get more. What will you do with the gift you have been given?" Want to talk pensive? She said this when in her 80's and I was a boy of maybe 10 or 12... want to talk about things that stick with you?

    I often wonder what Aunt Lucy would say of what I have done with my life and my time....

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    Appropriate for today:

    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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