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    2009 Audi A3 2.0 FSI Quattro flashing PRNDS and pressure codes after reset

    First Post, Thanks for reading and helping out. Here's the story:

    -At 91,000 owner (me) performed DSG fluid and filter change, 5 liters Pentosin and filter.

    NOTE: Last DSG service was at 37,xxx miles, so I was way over the 40K service interval with 53,000 on that fluid.

    During process, on VAG com noticed:

    19221 Clutch
    P2789-001 Adaptive Learning at limit intermittent
    (I can post the print out of this code with measure blocks if needed, it won't show on autoscan because I cleared it)

    Cleared code

    -Drove car for a week or two, noticed buring smell, slightly jerkier performance (car never seemed smooth to us at times)
    Same code re-appeared

    -Performed another DSG fluid change to verify correct fluid level. This time with Liqu Moly product. Also performed VCDS transmission reset to basic setting process at same time.

    Immediately after fluid change and reset, car popped out of reverse, flashing PRDL on dash, this code appears:

    18223 Pressure Control Valve 1 (N215)
    P1815-008 Short to Plus MIL ON

    Repeated reset process and tried to move car further, same results but will throw another Pressure Control Valve 2 code.

    Attempted to perform another Reset, this time at first group 061 measuring blocks not even visible, just ERROR in boxes.

    Disconnected battery and joined positive and negative cables overnight to do hard reset, no change in condition.

    Pulled connector plug to transmission, pins look perfect, everything dry and like new.

    Took this Autoscan, then took it to dealer to help me diagnose it...

    Code:
    Thursday,06,June,2019,10:05:29:37928
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 18.9.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4437.4
    Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
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    Chassis Type: 8P-AU35 (1K0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 22 25 42 44 46 52 55 56 62 65
              72 77
    
    VIN: WAUKF78P39A019986   Mileage: 147870km-91882miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (CCT)       Labels:. 06J-906-026-CCT.clb
       Part No SW: 8P0 907 115 AG    HW: 8P0 907 115 Q
       Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0030  
       Revision: AAH03---    Serial number: AUX7Z0H6FNF0BF
       Coding: 0103010A1C0F0160
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 77A8E38E33C4063FAF7-8022
    
    2 Faults Found:
    005668 - MIL Request Signal Active (Check TCM for errors too!) 
                   P1624 - 000 - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 147874 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.05.28
                        Time: 05:31:31
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 979 /min
                        Load: 30.2 %
                        Speed: 5.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 41.0C
                        Temperature: 30.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 810.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 13.843 V
    
    005386 - Engine Off Timer Performance 
                   P150A - 000 - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2047.15.31
                        Time: 31:63:63
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 0 /min
                        Load: 0.0 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 18.0C
                        Temperature: 17.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 810.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 11.938 V
    
    Readiness: 0110 0101
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
       Part No SW: 02E 300 011 BQ    HW: 02E 927 770 AJ
       Component: GSG DSG AG6     431 1806  
       Revision: 04843012    Serial number: 00000807060471
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 5F98AB2EBB34DE7FC77-800A
    
    2 Faults Found:
    18223 - Pressure Control Valve 1 (N215) 
                P1815 - 008 - Short to Plus - Intermittent - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 10101000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 255
                        Reset counter: 40
                        Mileage: 147874 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.05.28
                        Time: 05:31:05
    
    18228 - Pressure Control Valve 2 (N216) 
                P1820 - 008 - Short to Plus - Intermittent - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 10101000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 255
                        Reset counter: 40
                        Mileage: 147874 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.05.28
                        Time: 05:31:47
    
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AP    HW: 1K0 907 379 AP
       Component: ESP MK60EC1   H45 0107  
       Revision: 00H45001    
       Coding: 1442601249230003281406EC921F00413900
       Shop #: WSC 04866 002 1048576
       VCID: 005A88526A0A41879ED-8054
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8P0-820-043.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 820 043 BH    HW: 8P0 820 043 BH
       Component: KlimavollautomatH09 0100  
       Revision: 000292      Serial number: 8P0820043BH   
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 73B0D79E27BC6A1F93F-8026
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 8P0-907-279-30-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 907 279 P    HW: 8P0 907 279 P
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H53 2902  
       Revision: 00H53000    Serial number: 00000008618400
       Coding: F18C1F81C0141380EF00000A0080000000284E0564164003643000000000
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 08192
       VCID: 4ACE6A7A10B64BD7009-801E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8P1 955 119 F  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer AU350   H10 0040  
       Coding: 00056595
       Shop #: WSC 06314  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8K0 910 557   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
       Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH04 0003  
       Coding: 00150573
       Shop #: WSC 06314  
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00987 - Lamp for Brake Light; Left (M9) 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01111100
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 204
                        Mileage: 147874 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.06.04
                        Time: 06:03:00
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            ON
                        Voltage: 11.80 V
                            OFF
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
                            ON
    
    
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    Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
       Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 M    HW: 8E0 035 593 M
       Component: SDAR SIRIUS     H07 0150  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ4Z7H0361688
       Coding: 0000100
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 3330179E673C2A1F53F-8066
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 3
                        Reset counter: 62
                        Mileage: 144737 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.03.01
                        Time: 16:36:55
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:* 8P0-959-655-10.clb
       Part No SW: 8P0 959 655 K    HW: 8P0 959 655 K
       Component: Airbag AU1042 H06 0160  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 003000000000
       Coding: 303142393041303030374A55304C38503053
       Shop #: WSC 04620 003 1048576
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Airba10AURB4 001001
       ROD: EV_Airba10AURB4.rod
       VCID: 4ACE6A7A1C364BD7009-801E
    
       Seat occupied recognition: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8P0 910 339 C    HW: 8P0 959 339 C
       Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H02 0030 
       Serial number: 5810000R00000037NK
       Coding: 000000
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 3572DRB40000F860CA93
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 3582DRB40000775C595.
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Serial number: 35128RB400003E7A7C7Z
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Serial number: 35228RB400003E7B7DE2
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 35547RB400003E010C4E
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 35647RB400003E013327
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8P0-953-549-F.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 953 549 F    HW: 8P0 953 549 F
       Component: J0527           H36 0070  
       Coding: 0014142
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 41DC4D562D80888FD13-8014
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: E0221           H02 0030
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8P0-920-xxx-17-MY8.clb
       Part No SW: 8P0 920 982 G    HW: 8P0 920 982 G
       Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H15 0820  
       Revision: D0H15004    Serial number: 2246H004000688
       Coding: 0017288
       Shop #: WSC 57451 001 1048576
       VCID: 3D2431A65178EC6FB5B-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 Q    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: J533__Gateway   H16 0202  
       Revision:   H16       Serial number: 2700K087101005
       Coding: ED837F070007022102
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 353429866948342F7DB-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 22: AWD        Labels: 0AY-907-554-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 0BR 907 554 A    HW: 0BR 907 554 A
       Component: Haldex 4Motion      3016  
       Coding: 0000005
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 43D0475E379C9A9FC3F-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 8P0 920 982 G    HW: 8P0 920 982 G
       Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H15 0820  
       Revision: D0H15004    Serial number: AUX7Z0H6FNF0BF
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 3D2431A65178EC6FB5B-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 8P0-959-801-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 959 801 K    HW: 8P0 959 801 K
       Component: Tuer-SG         H03 0060  
       Coding: 0001213
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 43D0475E379C9A9FC3F-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
       Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.079 H08 1901  
       Shop #: WSC 04866 002 1048576
       VCID: 353429866948342F7DB-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 8P0-959-433.lbl
       Part No: 8P0 959 433 K
       Component:    KSG          H11 0080  
       Coding: 1B80228001382D090F0FCC8F0477
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 44D2444232929DA7FA5-8010
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301
    
       Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
       Part No SW: 8P0 959 802 K    HW: 8P0 959 802 K
       Component: Tuer-SG         H03 0060  
       Coding: 0001213
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 44D2444232929DA7FA5-8010
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00929 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Passenger Side (F221) 
                008 - Implausible Signal
    00106 - Signal Central Locking SAVE/LOCK Passenger Side 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 8P0-907-357.lbl
       Part No: 8P0 907 357 J
       Component: Dynamische LWR  H01 0020  
       Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
       Coding: 0000013
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 41DC4D562D80888FD13-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8J0-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 8P0 035 186 Q    HW: 8P0 035 186 Q
       Component: R Concert2+     H02 0270  
       Revision: 00H02000    Serial number: AUZ1Z3H8962756
       Coding: 0750202
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 40DA4852268A8187DED-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 8P4-959-801.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P4 959 801 E    HW: 8P4 959 801 E
       Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0040  
       Coding: 0001176
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 1012544
       VCID: 41DC4D562D80888FD13-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 8J0-907-273.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J0 907 273 A    HW: 8J0 907 273 A
       Component: J502-RDK        H03 0370  
       Revision: --H03-D0    Serial number: 12956781334053
       Coding: 0860021
       Shop #: WSC 06435 000 00000
       VCID: 2F381BEE8B140EFF377-807A
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02214 - Tire Pressure Warning 
                000 -  -  - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 237
                        Mileage: 147807 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2019.05.15
                        Time: 02:50:41
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            30.87
                        Bin. Bits: 00000000 10100011
                        Voltage: 13.70 V
                        Text:  26,0C; -0,73bar;3439996525;00h; 28C
    
    
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    Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 8P4-959-802.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P4 959 802 E    HW: 8P4 959 802 E
       Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0040  
       Coding: 0001176
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 1012544
       VCID: 42DE425A28869397C89-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 862 335 P    HW: 8P0 862 335 P
       Component: FSE_256x BT     H34 0520  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005004997
       Coding: 0001277
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 43D0475E379C9A9FC3F-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----(Elapsed Time: 01:36, VBatt start/end: 11.9V/11.9V. VIgn 11.9V)-----
    Dealer says bad Mechatronic (Mechtronic?) unit. Seems plausible based on my research, but I don't trust dealer's diagnosis 100%. So I decided to remove Mechatronic unit myself and ship it to UK ECU Testing.com for testing and repair. Once I had it out, I OHM tested all the solenoids I could get to, and all were in what I considered agreeable range. Pressure Solenoids N215 and N216 both showed 4.9 ohms. So I thought sure I had an internal wiring or circuit board failure on the Mechatronic

    Unfortunately, ECUTesting cannot find fault in my unit. They put it on a dynamic testing rig and said it performs perfectly. They said my pressure solenoids could be intermittantly bad, but I don't think that sounds right based on the communication problems with my Mech unit.

    I talked with dealer and it looks like they did no electrical testing at all. So I guess I'll pay to have my old Mech unit shipped back across the world, and start pinning out my wiring harness on the car? (as should have been done in the first place.)

    Anybody have any other thoughts? I will need access to a FSM or at least a wiring diagram for this car, so any links to that info would be great. Any help/thoughts much appreciated!

    My thoughts are a chaffed wire in harness that shorted during basic settings proceedure due to longer duration of solenoid engagement, or maybe running crappy dirty fluid corrupted the trans in ways I can't know or something.

    Joel

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    You really shouldn`t put liquid moly in a dsg box. It will make the clutch slip.

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    The liqui moly I used says on the bottle it meets spec for VW DSG transmissions. You think its the wrong stuff for my Audi DSG? That would be a relief if thats my issue.

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    I`ve googled it and it appears I`m wrong. I apologize.

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    No worries, I appreciate the input.

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    Regarding getting wiring diagrams, anybody have any thoughts on the best way to get those? On other cars I've purchased the Bentley manual, I just remember the CD ROMs as being clunky to use and I wonder if wiring diagrams in there will be specific enough? I see other Factory Service Manual product on the web, but most look sketchy. Any recommendations? thanks.

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    Get the factory info you can pay by the day just get printing rights and load the printer.

    https://erwin.audiusa.com/erwin/showHome.do

    Good Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwtech View Post
    Get the factory info you can pay by the day just get printing rights and load the printer.
    One may be able to download them as PDFs, and if not, one should be able to print them to PDFs.

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    So an update: I subscribed for a day to erWIN and got access to wiring and factory service manuals. The wiring manual was 1300 pages long with no table of contents, so not a quick deal to find what I needed, but it works. Thanks for that suggestion.

    I inspected wiring from the 20 pin plug for the DSG back to the car. With CAN BUS there's only like 7-8 wires used anyway. A couple of powers, a couple of grounds a CAN high and CAN low, and communication link or two. I only have tested the positives and negatives for continuity. Grounds are good, and I traced the switched and constant 12v to their respective fuses and all looks good. The only thing that seemed weird was I was able to get continuity to ground on one or both of the power pins. But no blown fuses, so I'm not sure what's up there. I'm new to CAN BUS, but with no wires directly to the N215 and N216 from the wiring harness, I feel like the only way I could have "short to plus" faults is an internal failure of the control unit in the Mechatronic.

    Since I can still read stuff like transmission fluid temps and other blocks, I think my wiring for communication with the DSG is still good.

    So meanwhile, I had ECU Testing in UK replace the two solenoids for N215 and N216 because that was their only suggestion. They insist they do "dynamic" testing of the Mechatronic unit, but based on my results I'm not sure I buy it.

    They shipped me back my Mechatronic unit and I installed. I'm not too surprised that there is no change. I'm right back to where I was before I sent them. Same P1815 and P1820 codes for N215 and N216, same flashing fail-safe PRNDS on dash.

    When I try to run Basic Settings, in the first step at block 061 the value boxes read "ERROR", next block reads "Group 061", next "Not", then "Available"

    So if wiring is okay, it seems like the next step is to purchase a $1300 new Mechatronics unit, see if that works. Because if my Solenoids are good, I feel like the only thing that could be causing this issue is a burnt or wrecked control unit inside the Mechatronic unit. Does that sound right? Of course if that's the case ECU Testing will be hearing from me again to see if I can get some restitution if their testing isn't as advertised.

    I would appreciate any input on this from folks that have been down this road before I take the big $$$ plunge for an new Mechatronics unit. Am I missing anything?

    Thanks for taking the time to read.

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    Vehicle Identification No. WAUKF78P39A019986
    Model Audi A3 Sportback qu.
    2.0 FSI
    A3
    Date of production 29.07.2008
    Model year 2009
    Sales type 8PA59L
    Engine Code CCTA
    Transmission Code JFP
    Emission standard ULEV 2

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