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    2004 Audi A4 Cabriolet 3.0 no Dash illumination No AC No convertible top op

    Hi

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    Just purchased VCDS from Ross Tech (Newbie)
    Audi A4 Cabriolet 3.0 AVK aftermarket radio 2014 aftermarket radio amp 2014 no steering wheel radio control Rebuilt instrument cluster for gauge and error problems at Modulemasters 10/2015
    Symptoms: No Instrument Cluster illumination, no ac except with defrost button, no convertible roof operation, Turn signals operate on outside, No turn signal indicator in instrument cluster, No convertible light shows up in instrument cluster at any time
    I assumed with 10 faults on the instrument cluster and other instrument and immoblilizer related faults that the instrument cluster was bad. I sent the instrument cluster back to modulemasters. They were very nice about relooking at the cluster, but found no issues. Suggested that i isolate the other modules to see if the functionality returned. I tore the car apart to get to other modules and unplugged individually but no return of functionality. Was happy no water in floor at CCM . I ordered a used instrument cluster which will be here early next week. I am a little uncertain about adaptation and would like any opinions as to whether the cluster is actuallly the problem. My daughter is hounding me for a new car for college. Car is in good shape otherwise. Hate to give up.

    Thank you for any ideas
    Wayne


    Below is Auto scan from a couple of weeks ago after initial clearing of faults and a rescan

    Code:
    Saturday,08,June,2019,09:38:44:41616
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.0.2 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4505.4
    Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
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    VIN: WAUAT48H74K015115   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 115850km-71985mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 8H (8H - Audi Cabrio B6/B7 (2003 > 2009))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 26 36 37 45 46 55 56 57
              63 65 67 73 75 76 77
     
    VIN: WAUAT48H74K015115   Mileage: 115850km-71985miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06C-909-559-ASN.lbl
       Part No SW: 8E0 909 559 L    HW: 8E0 909 059 
       Component: 3.0L V6/5V      G   0020  
       Coding: 0016584
       Shop #: WSC 00672 785 00200
       VCID: 3E253F152C6D9CF7F8D-5160
    
    2 Faults Found:
    18043 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                P1635 - 008 - Missing Message from A/C Controller
    18107 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                P1699 - 008 - Missing Message from Steering Wheel Electronics
    Readiness: 0110 1101
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 01J-927-156.lbl
       Part No SW: 8E2 910 156     HW: 01J 927 156 JK
       Component: V30 01J 3.0l 5V USA 3261  
       Revision: 00000008    Serial number: 00000002100924
       Coding: 0000001
       Shop #: WSC 04940 001 00001
       VCID: 6597B079E97BEF2F597-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-614-517.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 614 517 
       Component: ABS/ESP front       3429  
       Coding: 04499
       Shop #: WSC 00672  
       VCID: 6597B079EC7BEF2F597-51F2
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 820 043 AC
       Component:   A4 Klimaautomat   1323  
       Coding: 00100
       Shop #: WSC 00672  
       VCID: 629DAB65FD559817BC5-513C
    
    3 Faults Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer 
                49-00 - No Communications
    00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer 
                27-00 - Implausible Signal
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 907 279 F
       Component: int. Lastmodul  USA 0517  
       Coding: 01013
       Shop #: WSC 00672  
       VCID: 353720391C5B5FAF297-4B00
    
    5 Faults Found:
    01502 - Bulb for Rear Fog; Left (L46) 
                57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
    00987 - Lamp for Brake Light; Left (M9) 
                57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
                79-00 - Please Check Fault Codes
    00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer 
                49-00 - No Communications
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8H0-959-655-84.lbl
       Part No: 8H0 959 655 B
       Component: Airbag 8.4EC        2015  
       Coding: 0010105
       Shop #: WSC 00672 785 00200
       VCID: 392F2C093543BBCFCDF-5184
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 953 549 N
       Component: Lenksáulenmodul     0611  
       Coding: 02041
       Shop #: WSC 00672  
       VCID: 3E253F15296D9CF7F8D-4B00
    
    3 Faults Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01304 - Radio 
                49-00 - No Communications
    00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer 
                49-00 - No Communications
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
       Part No: 8H0 920 950 H
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D22  
       Coding: 00231
       Shop #: WSC 05127  
       VCID: 313F1429E833738F75F-5160
       WAUAT48H74K015115     AUZ6Z0C0421820
    
    10 Faults Found:
    00457 - Central Electronics Control Module / BCM (J519) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    00830 - Convertible Top Control Module (J256) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    00466 - Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01304 - Radio 
                49-00 - No Communications
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 26: Auto Roof        Labels: 8H0-959-255.lbl
       Part No: 8H0 959 255 
       Component:  VSG  B6 CABRIO     6286  
       Shop #: WSC 00672 785 00200
       VCID: 73B3DE2157AF019FC73-5160
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: None
       Part No: 8H0 959 760 
       Component: Sitzmemory EE H05   X014  
       Coding: 00002
       Shop #: WSC 00065  
       VCID: 74B1DD3D579106A7DE9-4B1E
    
    3 Faults Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    02010 - Left Entry Assistance Control Module (J572) 
                79-00 - Please Check Fault Codes
    00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer 
                49-00 - No Communications
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
       Part No: 8H0 959 433 C
       Component: Komfortgerát T7B    1412  
       Coding: 11788
       Shop #: WSC 00672  
       VCID: 34311D3D172146A71E9-4B00
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8H1959801
       Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 0001  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8H1959802
       Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 0001  
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8H0959801A
       Component: Tõrsteuer.HL BRM 0001  
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8H0959802A
       Component: Tõrsteuer.HR BRM 0001  
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 63: Entry Assist,D        Labels: None
       Part No: 8H0 959 760 A
       Component: EasyEntry F M H12   X024  
       Coding: 00006
       Shop #: WSC 00065  
       VCID: 353720391C6B5FAF297-4B1E
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer 
                49-00 - No Communications
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 73: Entry Assist, P        Labels: None
       Part No: 8H0 959 760 A
       Component: EasyEntry BF  H12   X024  
       Coding: 00005
       Shop #: WSC 00065  
       VCID: 353720391C6B5FAF297-4B1E
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer 
                49-00 - No Communications
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 05:51, VBatt start/end: 12.7V/12.3V)-----------
    Last edited by Uwe; 06-25-2019 at 10:26 AM. Reason: CODE tags

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    At face value, it would seem that the instrument cluster is roached. Have you tried doing the Output Test functions on the instrument cluster to verify that it works as expected?

    Lets roll with a failed instrument cluster for now.... the big issue you will have is getting PINs for the immobilizer system.



    As noted in the video, VCDS does not get the PIN information. Getting the PINs can be tricky.... there are tools out there that do this, but the ones that work are expensive. The ones that are cheap lead to this question:

    Quote Originally Posted by cheap PIN tool user
    What does "def" in the odometer mean?
    def = defective.... we've seen a lot of cheap PIN tools brick instrument clusters.

    Having said all this... if the cluster is the issue, and you get a proper replacement, even without matching up the immobilizer you should be able to get the top to work.
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    JPPSG and check fuses + for water ingress, sort communication errors with RTFB using WD and DVOM.
    Test overlay maybe helpful.

    RTFB can be found here.
    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...ir_Information
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    Thanks for your input. I have torn the car apart and have seen no water encroachment. I have checked fuses. I was hoping to change the cluster to eliminate that before tracing a lot of other areas but it sounds like getting the pins for the original and donor cluster may be my issue. Any good cheap ideas would be appreciated. Also not real great with wiring diagrams

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    Thanks for your input. I have torn the car apart and have seen no water encroachment. I have checked fuses. I was hoping to change the cluster to eliminate that before tracing a lot of other areas but it sounds like getting the pins for the original and donor cluster may be my issue. Any good cheap ideas would be appreciated. Also not real great with wiring diagrams


    The cheapest is DVOM testing pin by pin just time.........no magic answers, only above majestic security clearance........


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    Hi
    Just an update. I received my replacement instrument cluster and switched out. It appears that all of the functionality has been corrected I have a blinking convertible light but that will probably be resolved with a top reset since I manually opened. I had no light at all with old cluster. Now the proverbial question of how to get programmed to the car. Spoke to a VW tech who said an Audi dealer could program for about an hour labor as he has access to audi database. Is that my best option? Scared of dealers. Any suggestions appreciated. I dont even care if the mileage is changed since mine has 72k and that one is 73k. It may have come from a 1.8 and mine is 3.0 but my daughter knows nothing about tachometers

    Thanks
    Wayne

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    The dealer may be in for a bit of a surprise. ODIS is like a Dyson vacuum cleaner. A lot of dealers won't get involved with used modules because they have been burned by ODIS not working as it should.

    Make some phone calls to automotive lock smiths and see what they would charge to pull PINs out of both instrument clusters. Because once you have those PINs, you can match things up yourself.
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    Thanks Jef
    I appreciate the feedback. Do you or anyone know any such locksmiths in the North Atlanta area?
    I will call around but no use reinventing the wheel if the info is available.
    Thanks

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    I'll do it for donation + freight through mail as long as you jump through hoops of fire to authenticate your credentials and the receipt for proof of purchase?
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    Thanks for all your help, guys. Audi dealer would not touch anything pre 2008. I found an automotive locksmith locally who was willing to read the pins. He came on Saturday. He had several different computer tools. He was able to read the pin on the ecu but was not able to access either of the clusters. I would think that the old cluster has the same pin as the ecu but that does not solve my adaptation issue. Thanks, Jack for the offer of reading both cluster pins. My concern is that even with both pins that I will not be able to access the clusters to change over. It seems that all my functionality came back with the replacement cluster so I am not sure why the guy could not access. The locksmith seemed to think there was still some communication issue. Any thoughts? At this point, I dont want to throw good money after bad.

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