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    DPF just cleaned - how to reset things with VCDS

    Excuse the simple phrase, I am new to VCDS, hello to all.

    Just bought a van, which we believe was subjected to strictly city driving - with possible interrupted regens, and limited motorway driving, it appears the van has spent its life in and out of the VW Dealers to deal with multiple DPF warnings.

    I have removed the DPF from this VW Crafter 08, 72k miles, 2.5 TDI R5 CR.

    The DPF was soaked and cleaned using Wynn's 'Off Car DPF Cleaner.

    I also cleaned the EGR, inlet manifold, and Turbo of soot/carbon. The dealer advised replacement of all these parts and DPF, but after removal and cleaning here they seem fine.

    These parts were all refitted - and the engine left sat running on tick over for about hour since, today it goes for short drive for an MOT and back, so minimal mileage.
    So there will be some soot build up since cleaning that will need to be accounted for.

    I have No error codes related to this.

    I have tried following this guidance to 'reset' the DPF settings:
    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/2.0L_CR_TDI

    But cannot get past Security Access,
    "Engine Control Unit (J623) Security Access"
    "Prior to adapting a new USED Engine COntrol Unit the vehicle specific PIN/SKC (IMMI-Login) of the new USED Engine Control Unit has to be used to enable the adaptation.
    You'll find the PIN/SKC on the Key Tag of the additional Key (of the donor car) or you can acquire it through your responsible Distribution Centre or Importer."

    A call to VW to request the PIN/SKC code on the vehicle I now own - inform me that they 'are unable to disclose such information' ... isn't there some legal case with John Deere equipment in the US going through that will force such manufacturers to disclose - so we can do repairs ourselves, another topic for another day I am sure.

    Assume the above wiki article deals just with the ash, but I will also need to account for some of the recent soot build up since cleaning - I have seen inside the Long Adaptation channel 'Carbon Mass (ECM/DPF Replacement) using I think 'Basic Settings' but could not save anything ... Particle Filter Carbon Mass is reading 56, do I understand it right that a grams per Km figure would need to be calculated and entered into 'new value' (after entering '1' first to reset the DPF completely) the stored value is reading 5636 currently. Consumption Since Regen is reading 1.61.

    Should a forced regen be preformed perhaps - and then reset, or reset and then try and guess a soot value
    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...y_Regeneration

    Can anyone help, and are the above 'routine's the correct ones to perform in my situation - I am not replacing a DPF, however in my research so far I gather there is no adaptation for 'cleaning' ... just replacement.

    I note the Post on 'DPF statistics' in the 'how to' section ... looks interesting - if I hopefully have that adaptation.

    Thanks



    Here is my autoscan if of interest:


    Code:
    Sunday,09,June,2019,21:56:59:43490
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.0.4 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4505.4
    Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WV1ZZZ2EZ86033313   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 72903   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 2E (2E - VW Crafter Panel Van (LT3 / 2006 > 2016))
    Scan: 01 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 9A 9B 9C 9D 9E 9F A0 A1 A2 A3
              B0 B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6 C1
     
    VIN: WV1ZZZ2EZ86033313   
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 93: LT3 Immo        Labels: 2E0-905-865-93.clb
       Part No SW: 2E0 905 843 D    HW: 906 900 380 3
       Component: IMMO          1423  1322  
       Revision: 00423000    Serial number: VWZDZ0Q4002050
       Shop #: WSC 65439 002 1048576
       VCID: 2809F9BA0EF98567A27-807C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 94: LT3 Airbag 
       Part No HW: 9064461442
       Shop #: WSC 00117 555 00000
       ASAM Dataset: 3 3332
       ROD: CRFT_AB_3_3331.rod (*)
       VCID: 55F7804E658BC88FC91-8000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 95: LT3 ESP 
       Part No SW: 9064481553    HW: 0004460053
       Shop #: WSC 00117 555 00000
       ASAM Dataset: 3 4099
       ROD: CRFT_ESP_3_36928.rod (*)
       VCID: 0D47A82E8DDBC04FB11-8058
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 96: LT3 Instruments 
       Part No SW: 9064482021    HW: 0034468021
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: 32 776
       ROD: CRFT_KOMBI_32_776.rod
       VCID: 04518D0ADE918107EEF-8050
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 99: LT3 Ign. Switch 
       Part No HW: 9069003803
       Shop #: WSC 00000 288 01315
       ASAM Dataset: 67 259
       ROD: CRFT_EZS_67_259.rod
       VCID: 55F7804E658BC88FC91-8000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 9A: LT3 Central Locks        Labels: 2E0-905-865-93.clb
       Part No SW: 2E0 905 843 D    HW: 906 900 380 3
       Component: HF-FFB        1423  1322  
       Revision: 00423000    Serial number: 12345678901234
       Shop #: WSC 00082 210 103452
       VCID: 2809F9BA0EF98567A27-807C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 9B: LT3 Driver Door 
       Part No HW: 9068203926
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: 33 771
       ROD: CRFT_FTUHR_33_771.rod (*)
       VCID: 55F7804E658BC88FC91-8000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address B0: LT3 Roof Display 
       Part No SW: 9064480323    HW: 9068203601
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: 21 3
       ROD: CRFT_DBE_21_3.rod (*)
       VCID: 074B9A06EFA7AA1F8BD-8052
    
    1 Fault Found:
    909C - Alarm Horn (H12): No or incorrect basic setting 
                Test Complete - Active/Stored
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address B1: LT3 Upper Console 
       Part No HW: 9065454107
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: 67 3
       ROD: CRFT1_OBF_67_3.rod (*)
       VCID: 55F7804E658BC88FC91-8000
    
    1 Fault Found:
    9036 - Supply voltage: Limit value exceeded 
                Test Complete - Stored
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address B4: LT3 Central Elec. 
       Part No SW: 9064420600    HW: 9065450601
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: 33 771
       ROD: CRFT_EZE_33_771.rod (*)
       VCID: 7F5B02E6B777E2DFB3D-802A
    
    2 Faults Found:
    9004 - Programmable Special Functions Control Module (J820) : Malfunction in control module 
                Test Complete - Active/Stored
    9001 - Bulb for Left Parking Lamp (M1): Short to Plus 
                Test Complete - Stored
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address B6: LT3 Steering Wheel 
       Part No SW: 9065402345    HW: 9065402345
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: 72 257
       ROD: CRFT_SML_72_257.rod (*)
       VCID: 06559702E8ADB317F0B-8052
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----(Elapsed Time: 01:20, VBatt start/end: 11.7V/11.7V. VIgn 11.7V)-----
    Last edited by grittysoup; 06-11-2019 at 10:58 AM. Reason: CODE tags

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    Hmm... Conspicuously absent here is the Engine, which should be at address 01 or 91 depending on exactly which ECU you have.

    Can you access the engine directly with the following?

    [Select]
    [01-Engine]

    or
    [Select]
    click the LT3 tab, then,
    [91-Engine]

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    Vehicle Identification No. WV1ZZZ2EZ86033313
    Model crafter 35 panel
    van
    CR
    Date of production 14.02.2008
    Model year 2008
    Sales type 2ED1A5
    Engine Code BJJ
    Transmission Code HQT

    Emission standard 7GQ Exhaust concept, EURO 4 > 3.5 DPF


    074 906 032 AS

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    A call to VW to request the PIN/SKC code on the vehicle I now own
    I don't think you need the SKC for this procedure. You will most likely need the 'Security Access - 16' code for the Engine to perform an adaptation.

    Some examples are shown in this post:
    https://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...hlight=crafter

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    Thanks Grant, I will try one of these:

    12233 = Freischaltung Anpassung (Allgemein)
    17575 = Freischaltung Anpassung (Anpassung Aschemasse)

    12233 is a good old TDI SA code but 17575 may be required for ash mass.

    Uwe:
    selecting 01-Engine - gave a 'no response from controller'
    selecting LT3 tab, 91-Engine - allowed access.

    I will post up the screen grab if required.

    Once I get past the Security Access - 16, can someone clear my confusion as the best way to reset the DPF settings.

    Vehicle passed MOT, and added 10 miles of driving to the cleaned DPF.

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    OK, go to 91-Engine, click grab any fault codes from there (use the COPY or SAVE button and paste 'em here) and also do [Advanced ID] and post that please.

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    Hi Uwe, here are the scans:

    Code:
    Wednesday,12,June,2019,20:49:42:43490
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.0.4 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4505.4
    Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WV1ZZZ2EZ86033313   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 72919   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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                    Address 91: LT3 Engine       Labels: 074-906-032.clb
    Control Module Part Number: 074 906 032 AT    HW: 074 906 032 
      Component and/or Version: R5 2,5L EDC 0400SG  5175
               Software Coding: 0003032
                Work Shop Code: WSC 00082 210 103452
                          VCID: 6491AD8A325121074EF-8030
    1 Fault Found:
    
    000260 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70) 
                   P0104 - 000 - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 42 /min
                        Torque: 239.1 Nm
                        Speed: 1.0 km/h
                        Load: 0.0 %
                        Duty Cycle: 100.6 %
                        Bin. Bits: 00000010
                        Mass Air / Rev.: 805.0 mg/str
                        Mass Air / Rev.: 235.0 mg/str
    
    
    
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    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 91: LT3 Engine
    Control Module Part Number: 074 906 032 AT
      Component and/or Version: R5 2,5L EDC 0400SG  5175
               Software Coding: 0003032
                Work Shop Code: WSC 00082
                          VCID: 6491AD8A325121074EF-8030
    
    Advanced Identification
         Serial number: VWZDZ0Q4002050
         Identification: BPG-810
         Revision: --H13---
         Date: 24.08.16
         Test stand number: 1482
         Manufacturer number: 0066
    Flash Status
         Programming Attempts: 0
         Successful Attempts: 0
         Programming Status: 00000000
         Required Conditions: 00000100
         Flash Tool Code: 00000 000 00000
         Flash Date: 00.00.00
    Software
              
         C9FR   
    Misc.
         Hardware number: 074 906 032 
         Immo Challenge: 17 16 3F A2
    Car Info
         Chassis Number: WV1ZZZ2EZ86033313
    VCDS Info:
           VCID: 6491AD8A325121074EF-8030
           Labels: 074-906-032.clb
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Last edited by Uwe; 06-12-2019 at 06:10 PM. Reason: CODE tags

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    OK, the good news is the ECU's firmware seems to be current. This is often not the case with Crafters.

    The bad news is, I'm not finding any documentation for it, and the person I'd normally hit up for it is on vacation this week. I'll try an alternate channel.

    Then there's that MAF fault. You should try to fix whatever is causing it. Faults like that lead to plugged DPFs.

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    Cleaning a DPF with this mileage is in my opinion not worth it in the long run - especially if the car did a lot of short distance/city drive cycles. However, now that you've done that, you should be able to reset the ash mass to about 10% of it's original value and perform a forced/service regeneration after that. As Uwe already indicated, the MAF issue needs to be resolved first. For once it may be the root cause for your troubles and second it will likely block DPF related diagnostic procedures like the reset or a regeneration. When replacing the DPF at any later date, make sure to get the proper one. Early Crafter models had DPF Generation 2 from factory, but may have had it replaced with Generation 3 accompanied with a software/firmware update. Based on the data you posted, the software/firmware currently used requires a DPF3. Mixing the newer software with an older DPF and vice versa will also result in poor regeneration results and lacking emissions, as well as a failing DPF.

    As far as the software/firmware levels go, there is an update to 074-906-032-AN @ 5170 available which changes the emission classification from EURO IV to EU 4 (see TPI 2021119 for details), though from regeneration wise it won't do you much good I believe. Aside from that, there is a special short distance software/firmware available (see TPI 2018140 for details) if you truly need that. I am surprised that the dealers never applied that, due to the mentioned issues.
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    Hi Sebastian, thanks for your reply.

    I will look at solving the MAF issue, then trying the procedures as you advise above.

    I made a note of the numbers on the side of the DPF:

    Germany GLH
    2EO 181 BB D-18.042
    2EO 131 709 C
    302013 045397 08-02-08


    ... none the above match this tech note:
    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/P242F/009263

    Depending on the Model Year and/or if the Diesel Particle Filter (DPF) has been replaced already, different Generations of the Filter may be installed. If in doubt, check the Filter Part Number. Generation 2 (DPF2) were 2E0-254-700-E and 2E0-254-700-F, while Generation 3 (DPF3) were 2E0-254-700-G/GX.


    When you refer to software/firmware - I presume that is the ECU, and that can be updated using VCDS ?

    Sorry, what does TPI stand for ? the '?' hover doesn't show any explanation.

    Thanks
    GS

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