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    Fault code 17950

    Golf IV Variant 2003
    Engine BCB

    EPC light lits first - after a while Engine light comes on.
    After restart - no MIL.
    Fault code: 17950 - Angle Sensor 1 for Throttle Actuator (G187): Implausible Signal

    Below I have erased the fault vode - the rest looks like this - after couple of test drives - the MIL on again:
    Code:
    Monday,10,June,2019,17:16:55:18201
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
    VCDS Version: 18.9.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4436.4
    Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Dealer/Shop Name: Firma Johannes Bruun 
    Workshop Code: 000 02013 000000
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ1JZ3W270756   License Plate: SDD744ROSSTECH
    Mileage: 224990km-139802mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 1J (1J - VW Golf/Bora IV (1998 > 2006))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
              76
     
    VIN: WVWZZZ1JZ3W270756   Mileage: 224990km-139802miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 036-906-034-AZD.clb
       Part No: 036 906 034 DR
       Component:  MARELLI 4MV G      5957  
       Coding: 00031
       Shop #: WSC 40150  
       VCID: 6597B3CE2C75B7BF0DB-4B5C
       WVWZZZ1JZ3W270756     VWZ6Z0B0301606
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 1010 0001
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ABS.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 907 379 L
       Component: ABS FRONT MK60      0101  
       Coding: 0001025
       Shop #: WSC 01266 785 00200
       VCID: 33331D96D721190F53F-51A8
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01314 - Engine Control Module 
                013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 909 605 A
       Component: 27 AIRBAG VW51 01   0006  
       Coding: 12855
       Shop #: WSC 01266  
       VCID: 221DE8D27DDB8087A89-5184
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
                07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
       Part No: 1J0 920 806 B
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB8 V24  
       Coding: 05113
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 2615F4C211F37CA7C41-5184
       WVWZZZ1JZ3W270756     VWZ6Z0B0301606
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
       Coding: 00006
       Shop #: WSC 01266  
       VCID: 70B9D29AE3B762176ED-5184
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 959 799 
       Component: 1F Komfortgerát HLO 0001  
       Coding: 00259
       Shop #: WSC 01266  
       VCID: 74B1DE8A97AF5E378A5-4B3C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C1959801A
       Component: 1F Tőrsteuer.FS KLO 0004  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C1959802A
       Component: 1F Tőrsteuer.BF KLO 0004  
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1C0959811A
       Component: 1F Tőrsteuer.HL KLO 0004  
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1C0959812A
       Component: 1F Tőrsteuer.HR KLO 0004  
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220) 
                27-00 - Implausible Signal
    
    End----(Elapsed Time: 05:00, VBatt start/end: 11.7V/11.7V. VIgn 11.7V)-----
    The Throttle body is changed sometime before - VDO.
    And Measuring block 062 looks like this with resting accelerator pedal - engine off:

    Code:
    17:18:08 Group 062: Electronic Throttle (Sensor Values)
      4.9 %  Throttle Valve Sensor 1 (G187)
      94.4 %  Throttle Valve Sensor 2 (G188)
      14.0 %  Accel. Pedal Pos. Sensor 1 (G79)
      14.0 %  Accel. Pedal Pos. Sensor 2 (G185)
    
    17:18:08 Group 060: Electronic Throttle (Throttle Body Alignment)
      4.9 %  Throttle Valve Sensor 1 (G187)
      94.0 %  Throttle Valve Sensor 2 (G188)
      12.0  Throttle Valve Steps Counter
      ADP. O.K.  Throttle Body Alignment Status
    
    17:18:08 Group 061: Electronic Throttle
      0 /min  Engine Speed (G28)
         Battery Voltage (Terminal 30)
      27.1 %  Throttle Valve Angle 
         00000  Operating Condition
    And with pedal on floor

    Code:
    17:20:28 Group 062: Electronic Throttle (Sensor Values)
      4.9 %  Throttle Valve Sensor 1 (G187)
      94.0 %  Throttle Valve Sensor 2 (G188)
      79.0 %  Accel. Pedal Pos. Sensor 1 (G79)
      78.0 %  Accel. Pedal Pos. Sensor 2 (G185)
    % on both pedal position sensor 1 and 2 are the same! (Throttle position sensors % were moving as they should - this above was measured with engine off)
    Is the pedal sensor known to go bad or is there somewhere alse I should take a look before changing the pedal/sensor?
    Can the sensor be fixed?

    Thanks

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    The fault code is for the sensor on the throttle body, not the pedal.

    If you have already replaced the throttle body, my bet is in a dodgy connection of some kind to the throttle body.

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    In addition to Uwe's suggestion......

    A faulty OXS sensor heater circuit or consumer on power BUS can take out the throttle drivers in ECU sporadically or wipe them out entirely making people change the TV and pedal sensor unneeded and indeed could be the ECU being faulty now or even a wire harness from ECU to TV.

    I would unplug OXS sensors or fuse them real low to see if a heater shorting pops the circuit to protect ECU and open ECU and inspect for damage, you might be in time before it burns down.

    This problem while seems more reported in Bosch type controllers in this time period of production & indeed took place also with Simos and Marelli too!
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    This is how the autoscan looks like - again =/:

    Code:
    Wednesday,12,June,2019,14:34:56:18201
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
    VCDS Version: 18.9.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4436.4
    Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Dealer/Shop Name: Firma Johannes Bruun 
    Workshop Code: 000 02013 000000
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ1JZ3W270756   License Plate: SAD799
    Mileage: 225040km-139833mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 1J (1J - VW Golf/Bora IV (1998 > 2006))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
              76
     
    VIN: WVWZZZ1JZ3W270756   Mileage: 225040km-139833miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 036-906-034-AZD.clb
       Part No: 036 906 034 DR
       Component:  MARELLI 4MV G      5957  
       Coding: 00031
       Shop #: WSC 40150  
       VCID: 6597B3CE2C75B7BF0DB-4B5C
       WVWZZZ1JZ3W270756     VWZ6Z0B0301606
    
    1 Fault Found:
    17950 - Angle Sensor 1 for Throttle Actuator (G187) 
                P1542 - 35-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    Readiness: 1000 0000
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ABS.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 907 379 L
       Component: ABS FRONT MK60      0101  
       Coding: 0001025
       Shop #: WSC 01266 785 00200
       VCID: 33331D96D721190F53F-51A8
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01314 - Engine Control Module 
                013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 909 605 A
       Component: 27 AIRBAG VW51 01   0006  
       Coding: 12855
       Shop #: WSC 01266  
       VCID: 221DE8D27DDB8087A89-5184
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
                07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
       Part No: 1J0 920 806 B
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB8 V24  
       Coding: 05113
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 2615F4C211F37CA7C41-5184
       WVWZZZ1JZ3W270756     VWZ6Z0B0301606
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
       Coding: 00006
       Shop #: WSC 01266  
       VCID: 70B9D29AE3B762176ED-5184
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 959 799 
       Component: 1F Komfortgerát HLO 0001  
       Coding: 00259
       Shop #: WSC 01266  
       VCID: 74B1DE8A97AF5E378A5-4B3C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C1959801A
       Component: 1F Tőrsteuer.FS KLO 0004  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C1959802A
       Component: 1F Tőrsteuer.BF KLO 0004  
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1C0959811A
       Component: 1F Tőrsteuer.HL KLO 0004  
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1C0959812A
       Component: 1F Tőrsteuer.HR KLO 0004  
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220) 
                27-00 - Implausible Signal
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 05:02, VBatt start/end: 14.1V/14.1V)-----------
    Reason why I suspected accelerator pedal s ensors is this:


    Accelerator sensors give same %. Both say 14% when pedal not depressed - and both say ca 79% when its pressed on floor.

    I guess is time to take out the lambda sensors.
    Last edited by Orchid70; 06-12-2019 at 01:50 PM. Reason: Wrote down numbers in the picture

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    Connector to the Throttle body is new. The locking pin was broken.
    Battery is not that very healthy. But I dont like those other fault codes in supply voltage and engine control module.....

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    I found the old fault codes I had from last summer when the car went into limp home and I do not like what I see, now when I know better:

    17591 - O2 sensor short to plus - intermittent
    17953 - Throttle valve controller - intermittent
    17962 - Throttle actuator - conditions for masic settings not met - intermittent

    Taking out the lambdas now!
    I have a friend who use to work for VAG and has his own garage now - he had NO idea of this, about the lambda sonds and how they get shorted, frying the ECM!

    Shiiit.

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    17591 - O2 sensor short to plus - intermittent
    17953 - Throttle valve controller - intermittent
    17962 - Throttle actuator - conditions for masic settings not met - intermittent

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    Yes?
    Sometimes I have hard time understanding you =) (Swedish or actually Finnish, you see - english is not my native language).
    Im trying to figure out how to manage to fuse the heated circuits, any bright ideas? Only way I can figure it - Id need to cut the wire somewhere.
    Sensors look good, wiring on them as well look good.

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    Cannot erase the Address 03: ABS
    01304 Engine Controle Module - DTC precent

    Taking out the ECM to the local electric repair guy and see if we can see whats happened to it.
    And ordering both O2 sensors - is this the right thing to do in this point?
    Would it be a good idea to take it to the VAG dealer first to retrieve the code from ECM?

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    Found the fault?!!
    Finelly ECU out - someone have been there before - the wire holder wasnt snapped round the loom.
    Pin number 101 is bent together to pin 100 on the ECU...
    Check the colour on some of the pins....
    ECU:
    Magnetti Marelli
    036906034DR
    61600.666.08

    Pictures of the pins:



    Last edited by Uwe; 06-17-2019 at 05:14 PM. Reason: In-Lined images

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