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    VCDS mobile: Audi A2 3L (1.2 TDI)[8Z] wrong gear found by autoscan

    Hi,

    i buyed VCDS HEX.NET to configure my 3 Audi A2 3L and get infos about all the sickness that these cars would like to have

    I´ve got problems by using VCDS mobile (like to use at the car by iPad or iPhone) NO Values, vs. VCDS (using in the home office), running fine and shows correct values.

    my config (Sorry, it´s not possible to use a local file):
    CB: 0.4437
    FW: 0.254
    CFB:0.10
    BL: 0.28
    DS: 60000055

    The VCDS found regarding:

    Autoscan VCDS DRV 18.9
    Adresse 02: Getriebe Labeldatei: DRV\6N0-927-735.lbl
    Teilenummer: 6N0 927 735 D
    Bauteil: DS085 Getriebe 3081
    Codierung: 00000
    Betriebsnr.: WSC 00000
    VCID: B93AA50AA1CE79825A-0964

    otherwise:

    Autoscan VCDSmobile:
    Address 02: Auto Trans (J743) Labels: 0B-02.lbl
    Part No SW: 0BT 300 011 S HW: 0BH 927 711 G
    Component: DSG DQ500-7A H11 5205
    Revision: 00H11V01
    Coding: 0014
    Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
    ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ500021 001001
    ROD: EV_TCMDQ500021_VW36.rod
    VCID: 3E3FADFB36F63D836B6FACFBC7-806B

    So, I think thats the problem that I´did´nt see the values under:

    Select --> Common --> 02-Auto Trans --> Functions --> Advanced Measuring Values -->
    selected:
    Engine Load (via CAN) [loc 2-1]
    Clutch Travel Sensor (G162) [loc 2-2]
    Voltage (Terminal 15) [loc 2-3]
    Coolant Temperature (G62) [loc 2-4

    --> Submit there are no values !

    The same should be happen to 025 Immobilizer
    because the Shopnumber is 0,
    (but if u select it under VCDS it´s refer to 017!)

    U will find infos about the gear:

    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...smission_(085)

    I´ved updated the firmware of the HEX-NET, but that did´nt solved the problem.

    Is there a kind of roadmap (pls give me a link) where i can see, when these dates will be included to VCDS mobile.

    These dates are very urgend to give the 3L cars of Audi a chance to survife and make VCDS mobile great for using.

    best regards

    BerndJ

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    I'm a little bit confused here. The first 02 you posted looks like an old KW1281 module, and the second one you posted from VCDS-Mobile looks like a much newer UDS module. Are you having problems with both of these modules? These use different protocols, and measuring values in particular are different. The UDS module requires ASAM data, which needs to be downloaded for VCDS-Mobile either when prompted after doing an autoscan or by using VCIConfig to check for updates, after you have done an autoscan from mobile. Once you have the ASAM data, you should see a list of measuring values, but you will need to search for the values you want as they will be in different locations than with the older protocols.

    You might want to read this: https://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...UDS-Vs-non-UDS

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    I'm confused as well. A DS085 is nothing like a DQ500. They are completely different animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    I'm confused as well.
    Hi,

    oops, ash on my head!!

    I repeated the measuring today and found following:

    yesterday i put 12V to the board connector for supplying the car, but this doesnt run to the battery, she went down to 8V and VCDS mobile got much bullshit from the car, see the log.

    Today i put a second battery parallel and powered the 12V charging direct to the batteries.

    Now he found the right gear !!!!

    But my problem exist:

    Select --> Common --> 02-Auto Trans --> Functions --> Advanced Measuring Values -->
    selected:
    Engine Load (via CAN) [loc 2-1]
    Clutch Travel Sensor (G162) [loc 2-2]
    Voltage (Terminal 15) [loc 2-3]
    Coolant Temperature (G62) [loc 2-4

    --> Submit there are no values !


    Here is the file:
    Code:
    Chassis Type:8Z
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 18 37 45 46 56 57 75 76 77
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ8Z82N020889
    
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine	Labels: 045-906-019-ANY.clb
    	Part No SW: 045 906 019 D	
    	Component: 1,2l R3 EDC0001DS  1452
    	Coding: 00005
    	Shop #: WSC 02138 000
    	VCID: 166F555B382A9CD556CE6D-4B1E
    
    No fault codes found.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans	Labels: 6N0-927-735.lbl
    	Part No SW: 6N0 927 735 D	
    	Component: DS085 Getriebe      3081D
    	Coding: 00000
    	Shop #: WSC 00000 000
    	VCID: 3935BEE769F493AD9B2CEE-0964
    
    No fault codes found.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes	Labels: 8Z0-907-379-MK60.lbl
    	Part No SW: 8Z0 907 379 C	
    	Component: ESP FRONT MK60       0101
    	Coding: 0019474
    	Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
    	VCID: 48D3CB23221EEA2514C283-5184
    
    No fault codes found.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC	Labels: None
    	Part No SW: 8Z0 820 043 E	
    	Component: A2-KLIMAVOLLAUTOMAT 0510
    	Shop #: WSC 00000 000
    	VCID: 3833BBE352FE8AA56422F3-258E
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00601 - Potentiometer On Positioning Motor for Central Flap (G112)
    	30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
    
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags	Labels: 8Z0-959-655.lbl
    	Part No SW: 8Z0 959 655 F	
    	Component: Airbag Front+Kopf  5005
    	Coding: 00302
    	Shop #: WSC 02152 000
    	VCID: 4FE1E03FC7702D1D5508F0-5160
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00532 - Supply Voltage B+
    	07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments	Labels: 8Z0-920-xxx-17.lbl
    	Part No SW: 8Z0 920 930 Q	
    	Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. VDO D06
    	Coding: 01135
    	Shop #: WSC 27083 000
    	VCID: 4AD7F12B3C12083502F6A9-5160
    
    No fault codes found.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.	Labels: 8Z0-959-433.lbl
    	Part No SW: 8Z0 959 433 M	
    	Component: Komfortgerät T05    0615
    	Coding: 06720
    	Shop #: WSC 02138 000
    	VCID: 50E3E343DA4E32E54C32EB-4B00
    
    	Subsystem 1 - 	Part No SW: 8Z1-959-801
    	Component:    Türsteuer.FS BRM 0001
    
    5 Faults Found:
    01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
    	53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
    
    01562 - Rear right door
    	59-00 - Can't Unlock
    
    
    01562 - Rear right door
    	61-00 - Won't De-Safe
    
    
    01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
    	53-00 - Supply Voltage Too Low
    
    
    01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
    	53-00 - Supply Voltage Too Low
    
    
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio	Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
    	Part No SW: 8Z0 035 152 A	
    	Component: chorus II   GRO    0007
    	Coding: 00100
    	Shop #: WSC 02138 000
    	VCID: 33298CCF4B9869FD5110AC-4B1E
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
    	07-00 - Signal too Low
    
    
    End--(Elapsed Time: 04:03, VBatt start/end: 12.2/12.2 Vign: 0.0)-
    **************************************************************
    Could it be that the gear is not implementet to VCDS mobile?
    Shop #: WSC 00000 000, normally i found there no 0´s, also the coding therefor an 0,
    thinking the same happend at 08 Climatronic!

    best regards, and sorry reg my mistake

    BerndJ
    Last edited by Uwe; 05-07-2019 at 01:24 PM. Reason: CODE tags

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    I have confirmed the issue with VCDS-Mobile on our bench:



    We'll have to let Shaun see what he can do.
    You ain't metal till you got a clutch pedal

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    Does the DS085 TCU use "Verfahren mit Vorgenschaltenten Parametern"?

    IIRC, VCDS-Mobile does not support that (deprecated) method.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Does the DS085 TCU use "Verfahren mit Vorgenschaltenten Parametern"?
    IIRC, VCDS-Mobile does not support that (deprecated) method.
    Confirmed; it does, and also confirmed, VCDS-Mobile does not support this method of reading measuring values. This method was supposed to have died (not been used for new control modules) in the mid 1990s. Future versions of VCDS-Mobile will have an explicit message indicating that the module uses a non-supported method.

    However the full version of VCDS does support this method, so please use VCDS on a PC for it.

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    However the full version of VCDS does support this method, so please use VCDS on a PC for it.
    Hi,

    not the answer i´m waiting for!
    But it would be nice to get these info in the next version of VCDS mobile at the right position.

    best regards

    BerndJ

    PS: all my notebooks are now running on ubuntu, must search one for a new Windoofs

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