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    I wouldn't be surprised if this means a 3C8 CECM to 3AA BCM retrofit. In theory, of course. I mean, all the cars having the DQ500 from the factory have a BCM.

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    No there are plenty of cars older than mine running CECM and DQ500.

    The problem is the transmission IS actually in gear. It must have been in gear when it was removed from the wrecked vehicle.
    If I bypass the start check and crank the engine the car moves because it's in gear.

    So what I plan to do is this, appreciate any input:

    1. Bypass the P/N check in CECM by pulling pin 2 of the TCU connector to ground. The CECM is looking for 0v on this wire from the TCU. Anything non-zero means the transmission is NOT in P or N.
    Checking the wire voltage I see a floating voltage of around 2v or 0.6v.
    2. Put the car up on the hoist so the wheels are free to move.
    3. Put gear selector and TCU selector into D
    4. Start the car and then try and put the transmission properly out of gear and into park
    5. Return TCU wiring to correct wiring

    Will this likely work? Or anything similar? I had to leave the car at the workshop and go and hire a car to pick the kids up so when I get back I'd like to have a solid plan of attack.
    Any thoughts or conjecture welcome.
    Last edited by kamold; 08-23-2019 at 04:38 AM.
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    Aah, I see. Googling with "drive2 dq500 passat" should net you some Passat B6-es from the drive2.ru site.

    A nice challenging retrofit. Good luck and keep us posted.

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    So remarkably enough, my half-baked plan worked!! I had visions of having to pull the DQ500 back out and install the original DQ250 again to get the car working...

    The park/neutral check from the TCU to CECM is still incompatible. Have that bypassed by pulling pin 2 to ground. Will sort that out later.
    The gearbox is now functioning normally. Can properly engage and disengage park, go forwards and backwards. TCU software is still stock, that needs to be replaced with custom software.
    Need a wheel alignment because of the new driveshafts.

    And I've somehow managed to introduce a vacuum leak near the fuel pump. I can hear it hissing but only had a quick look and couldn't see what it was. Pulled the cam cover back off and checked the PCV which was fine. Only fault is idle rpm too high. It presents like a failed PCV membrane apart from the obvious sucking sound.
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    Will the modified TCU software fix the compatibility with CECM, or are you going to take the BCM plunge?

    For the vac leak, i use break cleaner, have a little spray around and see when the rev's pick up

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    Yeah the brake cleaner trick is the next step when I can get back down there.

    I don't think the TCU software will fix it. BCM is a big job I'm not sure I want to go down that route yet. It might just need a newer CECM maybe. I tried to update the software on mine as there looks to be a newer version but it fails and says conditions not met so might just need to get a newer rev of the CECM maybe.
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    Going to follow this thread.
    Is this for a 4cyl Tdi (commonrail) straight forward? Or do I get the same problems with my CECM?
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    Edit: forgot to read the next page
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    OK now not going so well
    Cannot complete basic settings.
    Aborted due to safety reasons. Main reason 0, sub reason 91.

    This happens very early at the point of closing clutch.

    Same in VCDS or ODIS.

    Driving:
    Clutch slipping a lot in 1st. Once 2nd is engaged drive is normal. 3rd is all slip. 4th gear engages ok again.
    Reverse engages ok.

    After a drive TCU has logged this fault:
    10895 - Clutch 1
    P1898 00 [047] - Function Restriction
    Coupling function restriction

    The transmission has 55,000kms on it so I don't think the clutches themselves would be a problem?
    The transmission has had the bell housing removed and installed with a custom modified one for the mounting to VR6 engine.

    Starting to think I've bitten off more than I can chew....open to any suggestions

    Thinking maybe that the clutches on K1 are fully binding having sat around without having had fluid through them while the gearbox was sitting at the wrecking yard....will look into getting a new clutch basket kit, and at the same time replace the K1/K2 clutch solenoids in the mechatronics.
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    I logged a basic settings attempt:

    Code:
    Wednesday,04,September,2019,12:08:56:58930-VCID:3333E1079BBB0BBF07B-8066,VCDS Version: Release 19.6.1,Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
    0BH 300 011 T,ADVMB,DSG DQ500-7A  H07 1818,
    ,,G017,F0,G062,F0,G084,F0,G085,F0,G090,F0,G091,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,
    
    Marker,TIME,Loc. IDE00322-ENG100540,TIME,Loc. IDE02775-ENG101304,TIME,Loc. IDE02824-ENG99279,TIME,Loc. IDE02825-ENG100313,TIME,Loc. IDE02858-ENG100590,TIME,Loc. IDE02859-ENG99797,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,STAMP,Status of basic setting-Basic Settings Status,STAMP,Status of basic setting data-State Of Basic Adjustmentdata,STAMP,Main status of abort code basic setting-Basic Settings Main Status,STAMP,Substatus of abort code basic setting-Basic Settings Sub Status,STAMP,Status of basic setting data: gear selector-State Of Basic Adjustmentdata Gearpositioner,STAMP,Status of basic setting data for clutch-State Of Basic Adjustmentdata Clutch,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,0.12,0,0.16,valid,0.21,0,0.25,1,0.29,gültig Grundeinmessung,0.03,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,0.41,0,0.45,valid,0.49,0,0.54,1,0.58,gültig Grundeinmessung,0.33,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,0.71,0,0.75,valid,0.80,0,0.85,1,0.89,gültig Grundeinmessung,0.63,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,1.02,0,1.06,valid,1.10,0,1.14,1,1.19,gültig Grundeinmessung,0.94,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,1.32,0,1.36,valid,1.41,0,1.45,1,1.48,gültig Grundeinmessung,1.24,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,1.59,0,1.63,valid,1.67,0,1.72,1,1.77,gültig Grundeinmessung,1.52,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,1.89,0,1.94,valid,1.99,0,2.03,1,2.08,gültig Grundeinmessung,1.82,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,2.21,0,2.25,valid,2.30,0,2.35,1,2.39,gültig Grundeinmessung,2.13,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,2.83,192,2.88,valid,2.92,2,2.97,0,3.01,gültig Grundeinmessung,2.44,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,3.20,192,3.25,valid,3.29,14,3.34,0,3.39,gültig Grundeinmessung,3.06,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,3.58,192,3.62,valid,3.67,14,3.72,0,3.76,gültig Grundeinmessung,3.44,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,3.95,192,4.00,valid,4.05,14,4.09,0,4.14,gültig Grundeinmessung,3.81,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,4.33,192,4.37,valid,4.42,14,4.47,0,4.52,gültig Grundeinmessung,4.18,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,4.71,192,4.77,valid,4.81,14,4.86,0,4.90,gültig Grundeinmessung,4.56,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,5.09,192,5.14,valid,5.18,14,5.23,0,5.28,gültig Grundeinmessung,4.95,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,5.47,192,5.51,valid,5.56,14,5.61,0,5.66,gültig Grundeinmessung,5.33,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,5.84,192,5.89,valid,5.93,14,5.98,0,6.03,gültig Grundeinmessung,5.70,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,6.21,192,6.26,valid,6.31,14,6.35,0,6.40,gültig Grundeinmessung,6.07,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,6.59,192,6.63,valid,6.68,14,6.73,0,6.77,gültig Grundeinmessung,6.45,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,6.93,192,6.98,valid,7.03,14,7.07,0,7.12,gültig Grundeinmessung,6.82,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,7.30,192,7.36,valid,7.40,14,7.44,0,7.49,gültig Grundeinmessung,7.17,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,7.68,192,7.73,valid,7.78,14,7.82,0,7.87,gültig Grundeinmessung,7.54,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,8.02,192,8.07,valid,8.12,14,8.16,0,8.21,gültig Grundeinmessung,7.91,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,8.40,192,8.45,valid,8.49,14,8.54,0,8.58,gültig Grundeinmessung,8.26,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,8.77,192,8.82,valid,8.86,14,8.92,0,8.96,gültig Grundeinmessung,8.63,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,9.15,192,9.19,valid,9.24,14,9.29,0,9.33,gültig Grundeinmessung,9.01,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,9.52,192,9.57,valid,9.62,14,9.66,0,9.71,gültig Grundeinmessung,9.38,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,9.90,192,9.95,valid,9.99,14,10.04,0,10.08,gültig Grundeinmessung,9.75,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,10.27,192,10.32,valid,10.36,14,10.41,0,10.45,gültig Grundeinmessung,10.13,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,10.64,192,10.69,valid,10.74,14,10.79,0,10.83,gültig Grundeinmessung,10.50,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,11.01,192,11.05,valid,11.09,14,11.15,0,11.20,gültig Grundeinmessung,10.88,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,11.39,192,11.44,valid,11.49,14,11.53,0,11.58,gültig Grundeinmessung,11.26,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,11.74,192,11.78,valid,11.83,14,11.88,0,11.93,gültig Grundeinmessung,11.62,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,12.11,192,12.15,valid,12.18,14,12.22,0,12.27,gültig Grundeinmessung,11.97,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,12.43,192,12.47,valid,12.51,14,12.57,0,12.61,gültig Grundeinmessung,12.31,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,12.80,192,12.84,valid,12.89,14,12.94,0,12.98,gültig Grundeinmessung,12.66,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,13.19,192,13.24,valid,13.28,4,13.33,15,13.37,gültig Grundeinmessung,13.04,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,13.56,192,13.61,valid,13.65,5,13.70,15,13.75,gültig Grundeinmessung,13.42,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,13.93,64,13.99,valid,14.03,0,14.08,91,14.12,gültig Grundeinmessung,13.80,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,14.31,64,14.36,valid,14.40,0,14.45,91,14.50,gültig Grundeinmessung,14.17,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,14.68,64,14.73,valid,14.78,0,14.82,91,14.87,gültig Grundeinmessung,14.54,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,15.06,64,15.10,valid,15.13,0,15.17,91,15.21,gültig Grundeinmessung,14.92,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,15.40,64,15.45,valid,15.50,0,15.54,91,15.58,gültig Grundeinmessung,15.26,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,15.76,64,15.81,valid,15.85,0,15.91,91,15.95,gültig Grundeinmessung,15.62,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,16.13,64,16.17,valid,16.21,0,16.26,91,16.31,gültig Grundeinmessung,15.99,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,16.50,64,16.54,valid,16.59,0,16.64,91,16.68,gültig Grundeinmessung,16.35,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,16.86,64,16.90,valid,16.95,0,16.99,91,17.04,gültig Grundeinmessung,16.73,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,17.23,64,17.27,valid,17.32,0,17.37,91,17.42,gültig Grundeinmessung,17.09,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,17.60,64,17.65,valid,17.70,0,17.74,91,17.79,gültig Grundeinmessung,17.46,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,17.95,64,17.99,valid,18.04,0,18.08,91,18.13,gültig Grundeinmessung,17.83,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,18.30,64,18.35,valid,18.39,0,18.42,91,18.46,gültig Grundeinmessung,18.17,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,18.63,64,18.68,valid,18.72,0,18.77,91,18.82,gültig Grundeinmessung,18.50,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,18.97,64,19.02,valid,19.07,0,19.12,91,19.16,gültig Grundeinmessung,18.86,gültig Defaultwerte,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Is anyone able to make any sense of the status codes?

    I also had a look at measured values while shift between R/N/D whilst stopped with the park brake on.
    Code:
    Wednesday,04,September,2019,11:43:27:58930-VCID:3333E1079BBB0BBF07B-8066,VCDS Version: Release 19.6.1,Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
    0BH 300 011 T,ADVMB,DSG DQ500-7A  H07 1818,
    ,,G063,F0,G064,F0,G065,F0,G066,F0,G082,F0,G149,F0,G150,F0,G151,F0,G152,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,
    
    Marker,TIME,Loc. IDE02776-ENG102757,TIME,Loc. IDE02777-ENG101539,TIME,Loc. IDE02779-ENG100646,TIME,Loc. IDE02780-ENG103741,TIME,Loc. IDE02821-ENG101653,TIME,Loc. IDE05988-ENG110505,TIME,Loc. IDE05989-ENG110503,TIME,Loc. IDE05990-ENG110506,TIME,Loc. IDE05991-ENG110504,,,,,,,
    ,STAMP,Pressure of partial transmission 1 specified value-Pressure Transmission Part 1 Commanded Value,STAMP,Pressure of partial transmission 1 actual value-Pressure Transmission Part 1 Actual Value,STAMP,Pressure of partial transmission 2 specified value-Pressure Transmission Part 2 Commanded Value,STAMP,Pressure of partial transmission 2 actual value-Pressure Transmission Part 2 Actual Value,STAMP,Pressure supply specified pressure/threshold1-Pressure Supply Commanded Value Threshold 1,STAMP,Pressure of clutch 2: actual value-Clutch_2_actual_value,STAMP,Pressure of clutch 1: actual value-Clutch_1_actual_value,STAMP,Pressure of clutch 2: specified value-Clutch_2_commanded_value,STAMP,Pressure of clutch 1: specified value-Clutch_1_commanded_value,,,,,,,
    ,, bar,, bar,, bar,, bar,, bar,, bar,, bar,, bar,, bar,,,,,,,
    ,0.58,25.00,0.70,3.05,0.81,25.00,0.94,3.05,0.03,3.05,0.16,-0.06,0.25,0.00,0.37,0.00,0.47,0.00,,,,,,,
    ,1.59,25.00,1.73,3.05,1.84,25.00,1.97,3.05,1.03,3.05,1.15,-0.06,1.24,0.00,1.37,0.00,1.48,0.00,,,,,,,
    ,2.61,25.00,2.76,3.05,2.83,25.00,2.95,5.10,2.06,3.05,2.18,-0.06,2.27,0.00,2.40,0.00,2.50,0.00,,,,,,,
    ,3.62,25.00,3.74,5.04,3.84,25.00,3.95,5.04,3.06,5.09,3.17,-0.04,3.28,2.25,3.39,0.00,3.54,2.01,,,,,,,
    ,4.62,25.00,4.74,5.04,4.85,25.00,4.96,5.04,4.06,5.04,4.18,-0.05,4.32,2.21,4.40,0.00,4.52,1.99,,,,,,,
    ,5.64,25.00,5.74,5.04,5.88,25.00,5.96,5.04,5.10,5.04,5.18,-0.05,5.29,2.21,5.40,0.00,5.51,1.99,,,,,,,
    ,6.61,25.00,6.71,3.05,6.83,25.00,6.94,3.05,6.08,5.04,6.18,-0.06,6.29,2.17,6.40,0.00,6.52,0.00,,,,,,,
    ,7.64,25.00,7.73,3.05,7.86,25.00,7.97,3.05,7.05,3.05,7.19,-0.06,7.30,0.00,7.43,0.00,7.52,0.00,,,,,,,
    ,8.63,25.00,8.75,4.78,8.86,25.00,9.00,4.76,8.08,3.05,8.21,-0.06,8.29,0.00,8.42,0.00,8.52,0.00,,,,,,,
    ,9.64,25.00,9.77,4.71,9.86,25.00,9.98,4.71,9.08,4.74,9.20,1.81,9.29,0.00,9.39,1.66,9.53,0.00,,,,,,,
    ,10.64,25.00,10.76,4.71,10.86,25.00,10.97,4.71,10.07,4.71,10.17,1.79,10.31,0.00,10.42,1.66,10.56,0.00,,,,,,,
    ,11.64,25.00,11.76,4.71,11.87,25.00,11.98,4.71,11.09,4.71,11.20,1.78,11.33,0.01,11.42,1.66,11.54,0.00,,,,,,,
    ,12.65,25.00,12.76,4.71,12.89,25.00,12.98,3.45,12.11,4.71,12.20,1.73,12.32,0.02,12.42,1.66,12.54,0.00,,,,,,,
    ,13.68,25.00,13.76,3.05,13.88,25.00,13.98,3.05,13.10,3.05,13.20,-0.06,13.32,0.00,13.44,0.00,13.54,0.00,,,,,,,
    ,14.66,25.00,14.76,3.05,14.88,25.00,14.99,3.05,14.10,3.05,14.21,-0.06,14.32,0.00,14.45,0.00,14.54,0.00,,,,,,,
    ,15.66,25.00,15.78,3.05,15.88,25.00,16.01,3.05,15.10,3.05,15.24,-0.07,15.32,0.00,15.43,0.00,15.54,0.00,,,,,,,
    ,16.66,25.00,16.80,5.08,16.88,25.00,17.00,5.07,16.10,3.05,16.22,-0.06,16.32,0.00,16.43,0.00,16.55,2.05,,,,,,,
    ,17.66,25.00,17.78,5.04,17.88,25.00,18.00,5.04,17.10,5.06,17.21,-0.05,17.34,2.23,17.44,0.00,17.57,1.99,,,,,,,
    ,18.66,25.00,18.77,5.04,18.88,25.00,19.00,5.04,18.11,5.04,18.22,-0.05,18.36,2.21,18.44,0.00,18.56,1.99,,,,,,,
    ,19.66,25.00,19.78,5.04,19.91,25.00,20.00,5.04,19.13,5.04,19.22,-0.05,19.34,2.21,19.44,0.00,19.56,1.99,,,,,,,
    ,20.69,25.00,20.78,5.04,20.90,25.00,21.00,5.04,20.12,5.04,20.22,-0.05,20.34,2.21,20.44,0.00,20.56,1.99,,,,,,,
    ,21.68,25.00,21.78,3.05,21.89,25.00,22.01,3.05,21.11,5.04,21.22,-0.05,21.34,2.21,21.48,0.00,21.56,0.00,,,,,,,
    I know the next step is to take the gearbox back out and look at clutches and mechatronic however any suggestions welcome.
    2011 Skoda Octavia vRS TDI DSG wagon|Revo Stage 1|Race Blue|Leather|Dynamic Xenons w 6000K|THA475 Amp+active sub|Whiteline ALK|RVC|Discover Media
    2009 R36 wagon|Biscay Blue|RVC|Tailgate|ECU and DSG tune|LED DRL/Indicators|Full colour MFD|Quad LED tail rings| Climatronics upgrade| Dynaudio retrofit | B7 RLine Flat Steering Wheel|3AA CCM|B7 Adaptive Cruise with Front Assist|TPMS Direct|Discover Media retrofit|PLA 2.0|Lane Assist

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