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    VW Marine

    VW Marine engine TMD140-5 code BCV



    I need help with timing a VW marine engine. I have a HEX-V2, H11-016685. Can anyone help please?

    My engine is a VW marine TDI 140-5, which is 2.5 litre 5 cylinder turbo diesel designated in the data as having a code of BCV. It is 2012 vintage. My researches indicate that the same engine was used in Audi c4 100 and C4 A6 plus Volvo s70,v70 and s80

    Autoscan shows no faults. Basic settings 000 provides data that does not correlate with that in the workshop manual. The Tdi timing graph should come up as a radio button on the bottom right of the basic settings window. However, it does not appear on mine although line graphs and VC scopes work.

    My VW manual says for basic setting 000, the data fields are:

    1=engine speed
    2=commencement of injection ***
    3=throttle position
    4=injection quantity
    5=inlet manifold pressure
    6=atmospheric pressure
    7=coolant temperature ****
    8=intake manifold temperature
    9=coolant temperature ****
    10= air quantity (do no observe)

    There is no fuel temperature listed and why there are 2 cooling temperatures, I do not know, but they are for different index ranges, see below

    The coolant temperature set point at 9 is 88...198 which corresponds to 20...100 degrees C. When the engine is warm, VCDS shows a reading of 114 which could be interpolated as 39 degrees. Does this look like the right level for fuel temperature and the VW manual is just incorrect. Elsewhere in the manual it shows an example and talks of the fuel temperature as being on data point 9 and says it should be in the range 120 to 190, which it is not on the VCDS

    The manual shows the second cooling temperature point is at 7. This has a scale of 37 to 95, for a temperature of 70 to 110. The VCDS reading is 173 so is reading something unknown

    Where can I find fuel temperature and can I rely on the data the Vdcs is outputting as being identical to the VW data scales in my manual?

    My workshop manual says for a BCV code engine, the timing is 2.8 degrees before TDC to 3 degrees after TDC which corresponds to a set point value of 0...73. VCDS is reading 45, which could be too advanced. Elsewhere, under 008, there are two timing readings in window 2 and 3, the first that says early and the second jumps between 3.5BTDC to 8.3BTDC. The example in the manual I mentioned above shows the timing graph and shows it being set at 140 0n 9 and in the range 38 to 67 for data point 2, but this may be for a different engine in the range covering 100 to 150HP

    I have sent control label maps to VCDS support but have been told that they really do not have data nor support for marine engines.

    Can anyone help me to unlock the timing graph or to set the timing by another method

    Richard

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodrk View Post
    The Tdi timing graph should come up as a radio button on the bottom right of the basic settings window. However, it does not appear on mine although line graphs and VC scopes work.
    Choose this in TDI Timing Pull-down menu at the bottom, right side:
    2.5l R5 TDI AHD (05/1998>)

    Quote Originally Posted by woodrk View Post
    There is no fuel temperature listed and why there are 2 cooling temperatures
    Where can I find fuel temperature
    It is data field 9
    If you have the same Manual, look at page 23-33

    You can also post maps here, between: [code] paste maps text here..... [/code]

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    I have the same manual and was referring to page 23-33 in my post.

    I also explained that the radio button is not present at the bottom right of the page. That was why I went to such lengths to explain about the data fields.

    What maps do you require, please?

    Richard

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    You asked why it is stated Coolant temperature for field 9, I tried to mention that for timing, it is stated that field 9 is fuel temperature (page 23-33), this is correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by woodrk View Post
    What maps do you require, please?
    Both maps for engine.
    Picture of TDIGraph
    Autoscan

    To make autoscan, press "MyAutoScan.txt" and write:
    IM,BCV engine,01,25


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    Are these the maps you require
    Code:
    ;33-OBD2				
    ;Tuesday	9	April	2019	15:36:34:60646
    ;VCDS Version: Release 18.9.1 (x64)  Data version: 20190114 DS296.0				
    ;VCID: 1B63D5F15ABB0EBF6BF-5184				
    				
    4	Calculated load value	100.00%		
    5	Engine coolant temperature	12 C		
    0B	Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure	100 kPa abs		
    0C	Engine RPM	0 /min		
    0D	Vehicle speed	0 km/h		
    0E	Ignition timing advance for cyl #1	0.0 Degrees		
    0F	Intake air temperature	9 C		
    10	Mass Air Flow	0.00 g/s		
    11	Throttle position sensor	0.00%		
    1C	OBD Requirements Met	None		
    21	Distance travelled with MIL on	0 km		
    				
    Mode 9 : Calibration Identification				
    Type 04 - Calibration ID : not available    (Address 10)				
    Type 06 - Calibration Verification Number : B855C23C (Address 10)
    Code:
    ;SW:065-906-018-H   HW: ---  Engine
    ;Component:TTDI140-5     0000SG 0030 , Coding:00000
    ;Tuesday,09,April,2019,15:35:40:60646
    ;VCDS Version: Release 18.9.1 (x64)  Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
    ;VCID: 1B63D5F15ABB0EBF6BF-4B3C
    
    ;01 N/A
    ;
    A02,0,
    ;32768
    A02,1,
    ;0 /min
    A02,2,
    ;0.0 %
    A02,3,
    ; 0  1  0
    A02,4,
    ;13.5C
    ;03 N/A
    ;04 N/A
    ;05 N/A
    ;06 N/A
    ;07 N/A
    ;08 N/A
    ;09 N/A
    ;10 N/A
    ;11 N/A
    ;12 N/A
    ;13 N/A
    ;14 N/A
    ;15 N/A
    ;16 N/A
    ;17 N/A
    ;18 N/A
    ;19 N/A
    ;20 N/A
    ;21 N/A
    ;22 N/A
    ;23 N/A
    ;24 N/A
    ;25 N/A
    ;26 N/A
    ;27 N/A
    ;28 N/A
    ;29 N/A
    ;30 N/A
    ;31 N/A
    ;32 N/A
    ;33 N/A
    ;34 N/A
    ;35 N/A
    ;36 N/A
    ;37 N/A
    ;38 N/A
    ;39 N/A
    ;40 N/A
    ;41 N/A
    ;42 N/A
    ;43 N/A
    ;44 N/A
    ;45 N/A
    ;46 N/A
    ;47 N/A
    ;48 N/A
    ;49 N/A
    ;
    A50,0,
    ;32000
    A50,1,
    ;Disabled
    A50,2,
    ;N/A
    A50,3,
    ;N/A
    A50,4,
    ;N/A
    ;51 N/A
    ;52 N/A
    ;53 N/A
    ;54 N/A
    ;55 N/A
    ;56 N/A
    ;57 N/A
    ;58 N/A
    ;59 N/A
    ;60 N/A
    ;61 N/A
    ;62 N/A
    ;63 N/A
    ;64 N/A
    ;65 N/A
    ;66 N/A
    ;67 N/A
    ;68 N/A
    ;69 N/A
    ;70 N/A
    ;71 N/A
    ;72 N/A
    ;73 N/A
    ;74 N/A
    ;75 N/A
    ;76 N/A
    ;77 N/A
    ;78 N/A
    ;79 N/A
    ;80 N/A
    ;81 N/A
    ;82 N/A
    ;83 N/A
    ;84 N/A
    ;85 N/A
    ;86 N/A
    ;87 N/A
    ;88 N/A
    ;89 N/A
    ;90 N/A
    ;
    A91,0,
    ;4
    A91,1,
    ;
    A91,2,
    ;
    A91,3,
    ;
    A91,4,
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    ;92 N/A
    ;93 N/A
    ;94 N/A
    ;95 N/A
    ;96 N/A
    ;97 N/A
    ;98 N/A
    ;99 N/A
    Code:
    ;SW:065-906-018-H   HW: ---  Engine
    ;Component:TTDI140-5     0000SG 0030 , Coding:00000
    ;Tuesday,09,April,2019,15:34:33:60646
    ;VCDS Version: Release 18.9.1 (x64)  Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
    ;VCID: 1B63D5F15ABB0EBF6BF-4B3C
    
    1,0,,
    1,1,,,
    ;0 /min,RPM,
    1,2,,,
    ;0.0 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    1,3,,,
    ;0.680 V,Voltage,
    1,4,,,
    ;13.5C,Temperature,
    ;
    ;
    2,0,,
    2,1,,,
    ;0 /min,RPM,
    2,2,,,
    ;0.0 %,Load,
    2,3,,,
    ; 0  1  0,Bin. Bits,
    2,4,,,
    ;13.5C,Temperature,
    ;
    ;
    3,0,,
    3,1,,,
    ;0 /min,RPM,
    3,2,,,
    ;  , ,
    3,3,,,
    ;  , ,
    3,4,,,
    ;  , ,
    ;
    ;
    4,0,,
    4,1,,,
    ;0 /min,RPM,
    4,2,,,
    ;10.1 BTDC,Ign. Timing,
    4,3,,,
    ;0.0 BTDC,Ign. Timing,
    4,4,,,
    ;94.4 %,Duty Cycle,
    ;
    ;
    5,0,,
    5,1,,,
    ;0 /min,RPM,
    5,2,,,
    ;0.0 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    5,3,,,
    ;0.0 BTDC,Ign. Timing,
    5,4,,,
    ;13.5C,Temperature,
    ;
    ;
    6,0,,
    6,1,,,
    ;  , ,
    6,2,,,
    ; 0  1  0,Bin. Bits,
    6,3,,,
    ;  000000,Bin. Bits,
    6,4,,,
    ;255.0,(no units),
    ;
    ;
    7,0,,
    7,1,,,
    ;15.3C,Temperature,
    7,2,,,
    ;  , ,
    7,3,,,
    ;10.8C,Temperature,
    7,4,,,
    ;13.5C,Temperature,
    ;
    ;
    8,0,,
    8,1,,,
    ;0 /min,RPM,
    8,2,,,
    ;0.0 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    8,3,,,
    ;0.0 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    8,4,,,
    ;51.0 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    ;
    ;
    9,0,,
    9,1,,,
    ;0 /min,RPM,
    9,2,,,
    ;0.0 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    9,3,,,
    ;51.0 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    9,4,,,
    ;  , ,
    ;
    ;
    10,0,,
    10,1,,,
    ;0 /min,RPM,
    10,2,,,
    ;1009.8 mbar,Absolute Pres.,
    10,3,,,
    ;1009.8 mbar,Absolute Pres.,
    10,4,,,
    ;0.0 %,Load,
    ;
    ;
    11,0,,
    11,1,,,
    ;0 /min,RPM,
    11,2,,,
    ;  , ,
    11,3,,,
    ;1009.8 mbar,Absolute Pres.,
    11,4,,,
    ;  , ,
    ;
    ;
    12,0,,
    12,1,,,
    ;01010000,Bin. Bits,
    12,2,,,
    ;6.69,(no units),
    12,3,,,
    ;13.76 V,Voltage,
    12,4,,,
    ;13.5C,Temperature,
    ;
    ;
    13,0,,
    13,1,,,
    ;0.00 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    13,2,,,
    ;0.00 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    13,3,,,
    ;0.00 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    13,4,,,
    ;0.00 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    ;
    ;
    14,0,,
    14,1,,,
    ;0.00 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    14,2,,,
    ;  , ,
    14,3,,,
    ;  , ,
    14,4,,,
    ;  , ,
    ;
    ;
    15,0,,
    15,1,,,
    ;0 /min,RPM,
    15,2,,,
    ;0.0 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    15,3,,,
    ;0.00 l/h,Fuel Consump.,
    15,4,,,
    ;0.0 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    ;
    ;
    16,0,,
    16,1,,,
    ;0.0 %,Load,
    16,2,,,
    ;00000000,Bin. Bits,
    16,3,,,
    ;      00,Bin. Bits,
    16,4,,,
    ;13.76 V,Voltage,
    ;
    ;
    17,0,,
    17,1,,,
    ;  , ,
    17,2,,,
    ;  , ,
    17,3,,,
    ;  , ,
    17,4,,,
    ;  , ,
    ;
    ;
    18,0,,
    18,1,,,
    ;  , ,
    18,2,,,
    ;      01,Bin. Bits,
    18,3,,,
    ;  , ,
    18,4,,,
    ;  , ,
    ;
    ;
    19,0,,
    19,1,,,
    ;0.660 V,Voltage,
    19,2,,,
    ;4.440 V,Voltage,
    19,3,,,
    ;  , ,
    19,4,,,
    ;  , ,
    ;
    ;
    20,0,,
    20,1,,,
    ;0 /min,RPM,
    20,2,,,
    ;0.0 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
    20,3,,,
    ;0.660 V,Voltage,
    20,4,,,
    ;0.0 %,Load,
    ;
    ;
    21,0,,
    21,1,,,
    ;  , ,
    21,2,,,
    ;  , ,
    21,3,,,
    ;  , ,
    21,4,,,
    ; 010 010,Bin. Bits,
    ;
    ;
    22,0,,
    22,1,,,
    ;10.1 BTDC,Ign. Timing,
    22,2,,,
    ;0.0 BTDC,Ign. Timing,
    22,3,,,
    ;94.4 %,Duty Cycle,
    22,4,,,
    ;  , ,
    ;
    ;
    23,0,,
    23,1,,,
    ;  , ,
    23,2,,,
    ;1009.8 mbar,Absolute Pres.,
    23,3,,,
    ;  , ,
    23,4,,,
    ;1009.8 mbar,Absolute Pres.,
    ;
    ;
    24,0,,
    24,1,,,
    ;15.3C,Temperature,
    24,2,,,
    ;10.8C,Temperature,
    24,3,,,
    ;13.5C,Temperature,
    24,4,,,
    ;255.0,(no units),
    ;
    ;
    25,0,,
    25,1,,,
    ;  , ,
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    ;  , ,
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    ;047F6AC3, ,
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    ;
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    ;
    28,0,,
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    ;    ???    ??.??.??  39S06372  ???? ????,,
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    ;190,0,Undocumented 10 field group,,
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    ;198,0,Undocumented 10 field group,,
    ;199,0,Undocumented 10 field group,,
    Code:
    Tuesday,09,April,2019,15:37:20:60646
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 18.9.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4437.4
    Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    
    
    Chassis Type: MA - VW Marine Engines
    Scan: 01
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: REDIR FAIL!
       Part No: 065 906 018 H
       Component: TTDI140-5     0000SG 0030   
       Coding: 00000
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 1B63D5F15ABB0EBF6BF-4B3C
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: N/A
    
    End-(Elapsed Time: 02:52, VBatt start/end: 13.9V/13.9V. VIgn 0.0V, Deb=2)--
    I am going to try autoscan gain and will let you know

    Richard

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    Further to my message above, i tried to modify the text life as suggested but cannot get it to work. The programme seems to think it is a seat leon and ran round in circles for 15minutes showing nothing but flashing screens

    There is a VW marine engines flag in the drop down chassis MENU it has a code MA and tells me the only control module is 01. I have run this before and it comes up with no faults. I have already sent you a copy of the result attached to the above post. It was run on an earlier date.

    I have tried again, but the tdi timing button is missing only graph and log are shown

    Can you suggest any other things that I could try or help me, as a beginner, to understand better what I am doing wrong

    regards

    Richard

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    For example here and here.
    At "Setting Injection Timing:"
    Especially "Switch to Basic Settings"

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    I have been at basic settings 000 then go, The data comes up. It has no flags if I hover over the data and the Tdi timing radio button is missing.

    Richard

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodrk View Post
    I have been at basic settings 000 then go, The data comes up. It has no flags if I hover over the data and the Tdi timing radio button is missing.
    Because VCDS does not recognize this ECU as belonging to a distributor pump engine. That's already been fixed in source code and will be in a future version.

    In the meanwhile, you'll have to plot the values by hand, just like the repair manuals for distributor pump engines always called for, because VW's own scan tools never had anything like the TDI Timing Checker.

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Hello

    Not the answer I was hoping for. I thought that someone would have found a work-round but it seems not to be the case. Thank you for your time and consideration of my issue. There are thousands of these engines on boats so I hope that you will be able to do something for us in the not too distant future

    Richard

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