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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Never mind, you know what your doing than, please carry on and commence, using the alleged "good engineering judgement" you have used so far?

    But did you do basic settings?
    I have not done basic settings.
    And what does the TLA DTC stand for?
    What are you referring to?
    Can you give me a link to the procedures?

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    I have not done basic settings.
    And what does the TLA DTC stand for?
    What are you referring to?
    Can you give me a link to the procedures?

    Sure.....but WTF is TLA?

    Where is "Good engineering Judgment"?

    RTFB & JPPSG the WD!

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    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...0/P0716/001814

    17100/P0716/001814 - Transmission Input Speed Sensor (G182): Implausible Signal

    Possible Symptoms


    • Malfunction Indicator Light (MIL) ON
    • Transmission in Limp Mode

    Possible Causes


    • Wiring and/or Connector(s) from/to Transmission Input Speed Sensor (G182) faulty
    • Transmission Input Speed Sensor (G182) faulty

    Possible Solutions


    • Check Wiring and/or Connector(s) from/to Transmission Input Speed Sensor (G182)
    • Check/Replace Transmission Input Speed Sensor (G182)

    Special Notes


    • When found in 6-Speed Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG/02E), check VW NAR TSB 37-06-07 (2012681):
      • May be stored in Combination with 18148/P1740/005952, which usually indicates faulty Wiring/Connector(s). Check/Replace Wiring and Connector(s) from/to Transmission Input Speed Sensor (G182) AND Clutch Temperature Sensor (G509)
    123 load lights or loaded diapers!

    Last edited by Jack@European_Parts; 04-15-2019 at 08:16 PM.
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    Lots of good information there, Love JPPSG, very clearly written.
    TLA is Three Letter Acronym.
    I ran the basic settings last night 061, 060 and 062. Then tried to drive at the various speeds for it to relearn but traffic got in the way, had to just drive for 40 minutes.
    Basic settings did not affect the speed sensor issue but did change the shifting for awhile until it relearned.

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    1. Not sure what the PR-Build data is.
    2. Car is completely stock and untouched. Transmission is as far as I can tell, never been removed or opened or if it has then they were very good.
    3.
    Code:
    Monday,15,April,2019,18:38:45:10819
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
    VCDS Version: 18.9.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4437.4
    Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
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    VIN: 3VWCR31C55M403812   License Plate: BEEBEE
    Mileage: 275970km-171479mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 1C (1C - VW New Beetle (1998 > 2010))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 25 29 35 37 39 46 54 56 65 75
     
    VIN: 3VWCR31C55M403812   Mileage: 275970km-171479miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 038-906-016-BEW.lbl
       Part No SW: 038 906 016 P    HW: 028 101 181 3
       Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000DG  7000  
       Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VWZ5Z0D6261194
       Coding: 0150038
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 211F18FF5DDB4E3FB13-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 1 1 1 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
       Part No SW: 02E 300 041 S    HW: 02E 927 770 AD
       Component: GSG DSG         041 0806  
       Revision: 00004010    Serial number: 00000405270014
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 44551 111 44551
       VCID: 221D17F358DD5527A89-5160
    
    1 Fault Found:
    17100 - Transmission Input Speed Sensor (G182) 
                P0716 - 000 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ESP-F.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 907 379 M
       Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0102  
       Coding: 0019458
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 3431E1ABF229CB974A5-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1T0-909-605.lbl
       Part No: 6Q0 909 605 AG
       Component: 01 AIRBAG VW71      0710  
       Coding: 0012337
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 7CA1098B9AF9C3D7C25-5160
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C0 959 339 D
       Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 004 0005
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1C0-920-x4x.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 920 951 M
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V02  
       Coding: 11232
       Shop #: WSC 23069  
       VCID: 2B03FAD72A17946F1BF-4B1E
       3VWCR31C55M403812     VWZ5Z0D6261194
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<->CAN    V022  
       Coding: 00006
       Shop #: WSC 00066  
       VCID: 70B92DBBC3B1B7B76ED-4B1E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 959 799 G
       Component: 2K KomfortgerŠt HLO 0004  
       Coding: 00016
       Shop #: WSC 23072  
       VCID: 3B23CA97DA7704EF8BF-4B1E
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
                35-00 -  - 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 035 196 M
       Component:  RADIO DE2         0003  
       Coding: 06031
       Shop #: WSC 00066  
       VCID: 290F00DF20EB867FE93-51CE
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 03:38, VBatt start/end: 13.5V/13.5V)-----------
    4. No recent repairs that I know of other than my work.
    Problem is intermittent speed flaring and jerking. This happens randomly for about 5-10 minutes then it will be fine, no issues for a day or an hour then jerky again.
    I Removed the transmission, inspected the clutches, replaced the sensor, front cover and gaskets.
    Also replaced the DMF, pilot bearing, lower front suspension and all four disk brake rotors and pads.
    I can now correlate the jerking to the Transmission speed sensor issue, I graphed the engine speed and input speed together.
    When there is no issue, the lines are exactly on top of each other.
    When the transmission is having the issue there are differences.


    The one circled in blue is different, it will occur on it's own multiple times and is more like what I would expect from a bad sensor, the ones in red seem to have something else going on.



    5. Transmission sensor was AFT https://www.ebay.com/itm/351990665348

    6. Concerning is when it is having the issue, About 5-10 minutes of every 2 hours driving. You can't accelerate, it will not stay in a gear, the car jerks and bucks.
    7. Checked the Fuses first.
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    TLA is Three Letter Acronym.

    Hover your cursor........ RTFB and trace as per WD

    TLA of DTC = Diagnostic Trouble Code

    Use "Good Engineering Judgment"!

    Do do load light and DVOM tests and only use factory parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnInSeattle View Post
    TLA is Three Letter Acronym
    Added to the secret acronym decoder.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnInSeattle View Post
    Not sure what the PR-Build data is.
    Have a look here. Also added this link to post #1 in the JPPSG thread.

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    Cool. Learning your jargon and secret tag locations.

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    5. Transmission sensor was AFT https://www.ebay.com/itm/351990665348

    And you trust the inductive shield of this part as an Engineer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    And you trust the inductive shield of this part as an Engineer?
    I fully understand, I normally design CNC machine tools and robotics and shield the heck out of everything.

    In this case the sensor and wire is inside the transmission case, and is exactly the same four wire flat design as the original.

    I don't know what kind of shield I could put on it in there, braided mesh maybe, and if I am opening up the trans again, I am going to change the mechatronic as I do have a spare from a good core.
    Also the errors circled in blue are more consistent with a loose connection. the red ones, I have not a clue, but most likely not random noise.

    The only source of noise inside there would be the PWM solenoid drives, I can graph the solenoid current on the same graph and see if there is a correlation.

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    I fully understand, I normally design CNC machine tools and robotics and shield the heck out of everything.

    In this case the sensor and wire is inside the transmission case, and is exactly the same four wire flat design as the original.

    I don't know what kind of shield I could put on it in there, braided mesh maybe, and if I am opening up the trans again, I am going to change the mechatronic as I do have a spare from a good core.
    Also the errors circled in blue are more consistent with a loose connection. the red ones, I have not a clue, but most likely not random noise.

    The only source of noise inside there would be the PWM solenoid drives, I can graph the solenoid current on the same graph and see if there is a correlation.









    You are forgetting the spinning of the reluctor to sensor or flywheel or anything which turns sir!

    Ground connection to transmission and mech are good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
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    You are forgetting the spinning of the reluctor to sensor or flywheel or anything which turns sir!

    Ground connection to transmission and mech are good?
    Yes, I am not used to having spinning magnets around.

    The ground is good, all OEM connections are in excellent shape and I made sure they are tight and clean.

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