Audi TT 8S virtual cluster power on on bench can wakeup message
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Hello,
You will need to consult with the Official Factory Repair manuals/wiring diagrams for Audi as these documents usually have the PIN out diagrams.
Hope that helps,
drpeter
Oh yea, just one more thing..... when you get it hooked up, post an Auto-Scan
You will need to consult with the Official Factory Repair manuals/wiring diagrams for Audi as these documents usually have the PIN out diagrams.
Hope that helps,
drpeter
Oh yea, just one more thing..... when you get it hooked up, post an Auto-Scan
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Virtual terminal 15 consumers on MQB appear to use a special CAN message Klemmen_Status_01 field ZAS_Kl_15:
Link for other signals you may find useful: https://github.com/jyoung8607/opendbc/blob/master/vw_mqb_2010.dbc
The payload level CRC is moderately annoying to compute and I'm not sure the code I have will work for you. You would be best off recording and replaying a group of 16 messages (one for each message counter (BZ) value) from a working MQB vehicle. I can provide that for you if you need it.
However, I don't think the instrument cluster is necessarily a virtual terminal 15 consumer. Source: on my 2018 Golf R with the virtual cockpit display, I once accidentally hooked up some wiring wrong and managed to go ignition-on (but not start) and the instrument cluster woke up, with the CAN gateway entirely unplugged. So, I think you should observe wiring diagrams as DrPeter recommended.
Code:
BO_ 960 Klemmen_Status_01: 4 Gateway_MQB
SG_ Klemmen_Status_01_CRC : 0|8@1+ (1,0) [0|255] "" Airbag_MQB,BMS_MQB,Motor_Diesel_MQB,Motor_Hybrid_MQB,Motor_Otto_MQB
SG_ Klemmen_Status_01_BZ : 8|4@1+ (1,0) [0|15] "" Airbag_MQB,BMS_MQB,Motor_Diesel_MQB,Motor_Hybrid_MQB,Motor_Otto_MQB
SG_ ZAS_Kl_S : 16|1@1+ (1,0) [0|1] "" Vector__XXX
SG_ ZAS_Kl_15 : 17|1@1+ (1,0) [0|1] "" Airbag_MQB,BMS_MQB,Motor_Diesel_MQB,Motor_Hybrid_MQB,Motor_Otto_MQB
SG_ ZAS_Kl_X : 18|1@1+ (1,0) [0|1] "" Vector__XXX
SG_ ZAS_Kl_50 : 19|1@1+ (1,0) [0|1] "" Vector__XXXLink for other signals you may find useful: https://github.com/jyoung8607/opendbc/blob/master/vw_mqb_2010.dbc
The payload level CRC is moderately annoying to compute and I'm not sure the code I have will work for you. You would be best off recording and replaying a group of 16 messages (one for each message counter (BZ) value) from a working MQB vehicle. I can provide that for you if you need it.
However, I don't think the instrument cluster is necessarily a virtual terminal 15 consumer. Source: on my 2018 Golf R with the virtual cockpit display, I once accidentally hooked up some wiring wrong and managed to go ignition-on (but not start) and the instrument cluster woke up, with the CAN gateway entirely unplugged. So, I think you should observe wiring diagrams as DrPeter recommended.
be shure i connect corecct the cluster, i can diagnose on bench and do some output test
i need a virtual terminal 15 teminal can messager send
found on youtube one guy that wakeup virtual cockpit cluster but not want to helpme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm_PX0FJfkI
i need a virtual terminal 15 teminal can messager send
found on youtube one guy that wakeup virtual cockpit cluster but not want to helpme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm_PX0FJfkI
960 dec is 0x3c0 id of gateway
I send can message id 0x3c0 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
I know is incorrect and i need also crc but with this message cluster wakeup for 40seconds and standby again
Even if i periodic send this messsage same thing , jyoung8607 need some help
I send can message id 0x3c0 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
I know is incorrect and i need also crc but with this message cluster wakeup for 40seconds and standby again
Even if i periodic send this messsage same thing , jyoung8607 need some help
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0x3C0 is not the "ID of the gateway", but the ID of this particular message which contains ignition and start on/off info, which MAY be observed by the instrument cluster.
The message needs to be sent at 10Hz, and needs to be 4 bytes long instead of the typical 8, and it needs to be correctly structured.
Did you also look at wiring diagrams to see if the instrument cluster expects terminal 15 ignition-switched power as well as terminal 30, as DrPeter and I outlined above?
You can easily obtain replayable messages with correct CRCs easily from a running car. Are you a licensed VCDS user? Anyone with VCDS and an OBD Y-cable (to simultaneously connect a CAN sniffer) can observe these messages at the OBD DLC of an operating car without any disassembly or modification, it's an easy procedure. And, depending on what you're trying to do on the bench, this may not be the only message you need to send.
jyoung8607 if you helpme with correct message i willbe so happy.i not have any MQB car to use can sniffer
my project is to "adapt" TT 8S cluster virtual cockpit to my TT 8J 2009 car
i connect the new cluster to my TT 8j and nothing works engine speed / wheels speed nothig but now i discovered something new
my old TT have "special" cluster can output from gateway and the new tt 8s cluster connect on convenience CAN.will do more experiments in weekend
my second question is ?
-what will happening if i connect tt 8s gateway on same powertrain can (have two gateways in same time my old gateway and new tt8s gateway)
my project is to "adapt" TT 8S cluster virtual cockpit to my TT 8J 2009 car
i connect the new cluster to my TT 8j and nothing works engine speed / wheels speed nothig but now i discovered something new
my old TT have "special" cluster can output from gateway and the new tt 8s cluster connect on convenience CAN.will do more experiments in weekend
my second question is ?
-what will happening if i connect tt 8s gateway on same powertrain can (have two gateways in same time my old gateway and new tt8s gateway)
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That is... ambitious. Has anyone else done that before?
Yes that's true, the CAN gateway and cluster interconnect changed with MQB.
I'd pay $5 to see an Auto-Scan from a car with that kind of schizophrenia. I don't think it would end well.
Speaking of Auto-Scans, let's see some: an Auto-Scan from the car with the factory cluster, and another with the AID installed, to see what kind of mess we're dealing with. Then let's get you Verified and discuss this further in the Retrofits subforum.
Today i connect virtual cockpit cluster to 2016 gateway and the powertrain can of gateway to my 2009 tt powertrain can
Nothing happened
the tt 8s cluster working on 500kbps from convenience CAN and the tt 8j have 100kbps on this bus
I think the single solution to make this retrofit is to translate 8s to 8j messages and find solution for component protection.the 8s gateway i think is solution because the cluster standalone on table automatic component protection after 1 hour
jyoung8607 you can helpme with some can dbc files for audi ?
I have to make working at least rpm and speed
Many thanks
Nothing happened
the tt 8s cluster working on 500kbps from convenience CAN and the tt 8j have 100kbps
on this busI think the single solution to make this retrofit is to translate 8s to 8j messages and find solution for component protection.the 8s gateway i think is solution because the cluster standalone on table automatic component protection after 1 hour
jyoung8607 you can helpme with some can dbc files for audi ?
I have to make working at least rpm and speed
Many thanks
@CrackerX... Did you figure out the correct CAN msg? I have a Q7 VC on the bench and am seeing the same thing and its based on the TT VC.. except 960 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF just reboots the cluster and the screen flashes on then off...
I can confirm that this CAN command works on the bench
increase mileage in cockpit
3C0 [4] C1 00 00 00 // init
65D [8] A6 39 2B 12 00 00 84 80 // set speed ?
714 [8] 03 22 22 03 55 55 55 55 // check millage
31B [8] 81 00 0A 33 00 EC 10 00
3C0 [4] 74 01 03 00
65D [8] A6 39 2B 12 00 00 84 80
31B [8] 81 01 0A 33 00 EC 11 00
31B [8] 81 02 0A 33 00 EC 11 00
3C0 [4] 74 02 03 00
3C0 [4] C1 00 00 00 // init
65D [8] A6 39 2B 12 00 00 84 80 // set speed ?
714 [8] 03 22 22 03 55 55 55 55 // check millage
31B [8] 81 00 0A 33 00 EC 10 00
3C0 [4] 74 01 03 00
65D [8] A6 39 2B 12 00 00 84 80
31B [8] 81 01 0A 33 00 EC 11 00
31B [8] 81 02 0A 33 00 EC 11 00
3C0 [4] 74 02 03 00
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3C0: Ignition on/off states
65D: From ABS/ESP, system info about tone-wheel tooth count, tire circumference, selected Charisma profile
714: I don't know
31B: I don't know
65D: From ABS/ESP, system info about tone-wheel tooth count, tire circumference, selected Charisma profile
714: I don't know
31B: I don't know
Thx for reply!
714 [8] 03 22 22 03 55 55 55 55 // Millage request
77E [8] 06 62 22 03 00 27 10 AA // Response : Mileage 10000 km == 00 27 10 AA
I think in 65D speed sets.
Currently it's about 100 km/h
I want to increase
Can you parse this command detailly?
65D [8] A6 39 2B 12 00 00 84 80
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0x65D doesn't have a speed in it. Except for the first 12 bits (CRC-8H2F+specialsauce followed by a cyclic 4-bit counter), it's static on a moving car.
This isn't really a General VW Repair question. May I suggest you get Verified and we can talk further in maybe Tweaks or Retrofits?
This isn't really a General VW Repair question. May I suggest you get Verified and we can talk further in maybe Tweaks or Retrofits?
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Anyone know if Q5 and Q7 wake up signal is the same??