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    2002 Audi A4 3.0L Runs And Shuts-Off Imediately. Need Advice On What To Check.

    Hi, I recently purchased an inexpensive 2002 Audi A4 3.0L that has some issues.

    The car was recently running, but now it starts right up and immediately dies. When I purchased the car the previous owner stated that the car was in need of a replacement instrument cluster because the temp gauge was in operable, fuel gauge would read intermittently and the oil pressure light was coming on and going off randomly. (oil pressure light would come on for about 2 minutes and then stay off for 15 or 20 minutes) The oil pressure was tested and it was well within the specified range for various rpm's. Previous owner had receipts for all sensors being recently changed within the last year and the above problems still remained. The fuel sending unit had also been changed (previous owner claims, but that was over 3 years ago)

    Well now here is what I have done.

    I used Vag EEprogrammer software to retrieve the SKC from the OEM cluster. Right after I retrieved the SKC from the cluster is when I believe the problem started with the Audi starting right up and then immediately shutting off.

    So thinking the original cluster was toast I then swapped out the original cluster and retrieved the SKC from the replacement cluster.

    I was able to login to both clusters using VCDS-Lite okay, but when I swapped in the replacement and try to adapt the cluster SKC for some reason I'm not able to change replacement cluster SKC key to the original cluster SKC.

    When I read Adaptation - 10 and read channel 050 in the Immobilizer - Vehicle Data Learning box and clear out the new value field and test I don't get the vin# information in field 1 or 2.

    When I hit save I get a system error populated in field 1.

    I'm attaching the VCDS controller info below, but this is with the replacement cluster still connected.

    If anybody has any ideas or sees anything obvious I would sure appreciate any insight.

    Right now I'm just scratching my head at all the information contained below because I'm new to Audi's and feeling clueless.

    Kind Regards,
    Robert

    Code:
    VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
    Thursday, 21 March 2019, 18:47:11:18369
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8E - Audi A4 B6
    Scan: 01,02,03,08,09,0F,11,15,16,17,18,36,37,45,46,55,56,57,65,67,69,75,76,77
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine       Labels: 06C-909-559-ASN.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 909 559 D
       Component: 3.0L V6/5V      G   0002
       Coding: 0016751
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 361FE21A015F
    5 Faults Found:
    17978 -  Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
                P1570 - 008 -  Implausible Signal
    18010 -  Power Supply Terminal 30: Voltage too Low
                P1602 - 002 -  Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
    18107 -  Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Steering Wheel Electronics
                P1699 - 008 -  Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    18043 -  Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from A/C Controller
                P1635 - 008 -  Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    18058 -  Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Instrument Cluster
                P1650 - 004 -  No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
    Readiness: 0110 1101
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans       Labels: 01V-927-156.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 927 156 Q
       Component: AG5 01V 3.0l5V  USA 1213
       Coding: 0001002
       Shop #: WSC 06117
       VCID: 3C0BF0323F73
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 8E0-614-517.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 614 517 A
       Component: ABS/ESP allrad      1726
       Coding: 04497
       Shop #: WSC 06479
       VCID: 263F325AD1FF
    2 Faults Found:
    01317 -  Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
                49-00 -  No Communications
    01826 -  Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30
                35-00 -   -
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC       Labels: 8E0-820-043.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 820 043 G
       Component:   A4 Klimaautomat   0712
       Coding: 00000
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 253D3556ACF9
    7 Faults Found:
    01274 -  Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
                41-10 -  Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
    01592 -  Air Quality Sensor (G238)
                37-00 -  Faulty
    01317 -  Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
                49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent
    01206 -  Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
                27-00 -  Implausible Signal
    00474 -  Control Module for Immobilizer
                49-00 -  No Communications
    00474 -  Control Module for Immobilizer
                27-10 -  Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    65535 -  Internal Control Module Memory Error
                00-00 -   -
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.       Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 907 279 E
       Component: int. Lastmodul  USA 0204
       Coding: 00013
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 341BD8121723
    5 Faults Found:
    01317 -  Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
                49-00 -  No Communications
    01317 -  Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
                79-00 -  Please Check Fault Codes
    01312 -  Powertrain Data Bus
                49-00 -  No Communications
    00474 -  Control Module for Immobilizer
                49-00 -  No Communications
    01326 -  Control Module for Multi-Function Steering Wheel (J453)
                49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags       Labels: 8E0-959-655-84.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 959 655 A
       Component: Airbag 8.4E         3000
       Coding: 0010607
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 351DE5161C59
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel       Labels: 8E0-953-549.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 953 549 L
       Component: LenksŠulenmodul     0308
       Coding: 01141
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 3C0BF0323F73
    2 Faults Found:
    01317 -  Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
                49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent
    00474 -  Control Module for Immobilizer
                49-00 -  No Communications
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 920 950 H
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D26
       Coding: 03200
       Shop #: WSC 00000
       VCID: 2E2FCA7AF90F
       WAUVC68E92A245311     AUZ6Z0B0021643
    5 Faults Found:
    00562 -  Sensor for Oil Level/Temperature (G266)
                30-10 -  Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
    01176 -  Key
                65-10 -  Unauthorized - Intermittent
    01314 -  Engine Control Module
                49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent
    01315 -  Transmission Control Module
                49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent
    01304 -  Radio
                49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr       Labels: 8E0-959-760.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 959 760 
       Component: Sitzmemory R2 F     0201
       Coding: 00002
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: F1959106A8B1
    3 Faults Found:
    01317 -  Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
                49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent
    00466 -  Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527)
                49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent
    00474 -  Control Module for Immobilizer
                49-00 -  No Communications
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 37: Navigation       Labels: None
       Controller: 4B0 919 887 D
       Component: BNS 4.1 H05    BNO 0005
       VCID: 341BD8121723
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 45: Inter. Monitor       Labels: 8E0-951-177.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 951 177 
       Component: Innenraumueberw.   0504
       Coding: 00001
       Shop #: WSC 00000
       VCID: EBA9836E8A9D
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.       Labels: 8E0-959-433-MAX.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 959 433 T
       Component: KomfortgerŠt T5B    0616
       Coding: 11788
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 42F78ECA5D97
    5 Faults Found:
    01330 -  Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
                53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
    01317 -  Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
                49-00 -  No Communications
    01371 -  Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
                35-00 -   -
    00532 -  Supply Voltage B+
                37-10 -  Faulty - Intermittent
    01562 -  Right Rear Door
                59-10 -  Can't Unlock - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Xenon Range       Labels: 4Z7-907-357.LBL
       Controller: 4Z7 907 357 
       Component: dynamische LWR       D06
       Coding: 00060
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 047B48D20703
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio       Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 035 195 A
       Component: symphony II NP2    0008 
       Coding: 00201
       Shop #: WSC 00000
       VCID: 253D3556ACF9
    4 Faults Found:
    00856 -  Radio Antenna
                36-10 -  Open Circuit - Intermittent
    01317 -  Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
                49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent
    00466 -  Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527)
                49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent
    01336 -  Data Bus for Comfort System
                49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent
    
    End   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Last edited by Uwe; 03-21-2019 at 08:29 PM. Reason: CODE tags

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    Please clear all those fault codes, cycle the ignition, and do a new scan so people can see what might be current / relevant.

    You have PINs for both clusters, right? As long as the new (used) replacement cluster is not matched to the ECU, it will have a different PIN (that actually belongs to its donor car).

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    Connect to the ECM, go into MVB 081 and verify you see the car's VIN there.

    And are you sure the instrument cluster is a matching part number to the original?

    Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.LBL
    Controller: 8E0 920 950 H <==== what as the original cluster part number?
    Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D26
    Coding: 03200
    Shop #: WSC 00000
    VCID: 2E2FCA7AF90F
    WAUVC68E92A245311 AUZ6Z0B0021643
    Ran the VIN, came from a car with a 1.8T and you have a 3.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Please clear all those fault codes, cycle the ignition, and do a new scan so people can see what might be current / relevant.

    You have PINs for both clusters, right? As long as the new (used) replacement cluster is not matched to the ECU, it will have a different PIN (that actually belongs to its donor car).

    -Uwe-
    Yes Uwe, I was able to retrieve both SKC's from their respective instrument clusters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jef View Post
    Connect to the ECM, go into MVB 081 and verify you see the car's VIN there.

    And are you sure the instrument cluster is a matching part number to the original?



    Ran the VIN, came from a car with a 1.8T and you have a 3.0.
    That vin# is probably correct for the replacement instrument cluster. Does the replacement instrument cluster have to be from a 3.0l too?

    Replacement instrument cluster is still connected.

    I used the part number from the original cluster -----> 8E0920950H and purchased a cluster from a salvage yard with the same part number.

    I will clear out the codes tomorrow and repost a controller scan.
    Last edited by Benjisan265; 03-21-2019 at 09:24 PM. Reason: Add more info

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    01176 - Key
    65-10 - Unauthorized - Intermittent
    01314 - Engine Control Module
    Marry or install correct Key or cluster or both...........

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    Hi all.

    Just re-scanned the car with the original cluster installed and with DTC's cleared. I had to go through each controller (I hope I got them all as it was trial and error) to clear the fault codes since the option to clear all faults was greyed out in auto scan.

    Code:
    VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
    Friday, 22 March 2019, 00:07:54:18369
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8E - Audi A4 B6
    Scan: 01,02,03,08,09,0F,11,15,16,17,18,36,37,45,46,55,56,57,65,67,69,75,76,77
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine       Labels: 06C-909-559-ASN.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 909 559 D
       Component: 3.0L V6/5V      G   0002
       Coding: 0016751
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 361FE21A015F
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0110 1101
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans       Labels: 01V-927-156.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 927 156 Q
       Component: AG5 01V 3.0l5V  USA 1213
       Coding: 0001002
       Shop #: WSC 06117
       VCID: 3C0BF0323F73
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 8E0-614-517.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 614 517 A
       Component: ABS/ESP allrad      1726
       Coding: 04497
       Shop #: WSC 06479
       VCID: 263F325AD1FF
    1 Fault Found:
    01826 -  Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30
                35-00 -   -
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC       Labels: 8E0-820-043.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 820 043 G
       Component:   A4 Klimaautomat   0712
       Coding: 00000
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 253D3556ACF9
    4 Faults Found:
    01592 -  Air Quality Sensor (G238)
                37-00 -  Faulty
    01206 -  Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
                27-00 -  Implausible Signal
    00474 -  Control Module for Immobilizer
                49-00 -  No Communications
    65535 -  Internal Control Module Memory Error
                00-00 -   -
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.       Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 907 279 E
       Component: int. Lastmodul  USA 0204
       Coding: 00013
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 341BD8121723
    1 Fault Found:
    00474 -  Control Module for Immobilizer
                49-00 -  No Communications
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags       Labels: 8E0-959-655-84.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 959 655 A
       Component: Airbag 8.4E         3000
       Coding: 0010607
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 351DE5161C59
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel       Labels: 8E0-953-549.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 953 549 L
       Component: LenksŠulenmodul     0308
       Coding: 01141
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 3C0BF0323F73
    1 Fault Found:
    00474 -  Control Module for Immobilizer
                49-00 -  No Communications
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 920 980 KX
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D30
       Coding: 00201
       Shop #: WSC 00001
       VCID: 8C6BE0F2AF53
       WAULT68E52A099660     AUZ6Z0A0208491
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr       Labels: 8E0-959-760.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 959 760 
       Component: Sitzmemory R2 F     0201
       Coding: 00002
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: F1959106A8B1
    3 Faults Found:
    01317 -  Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
                49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent
    00466 -  Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527)
                49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent
    00474 -  Control Module for Immobilizer
                49-00 -  No Communications
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 37: Navigation       Labels: None
       Controller: 4B0 919 887 D
       Component: BNS 4.1 H05    BNO 0005
       VCID: 341BD8121723
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 45: Inter. Monitor       Labels: 8E0-951-177.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 951 177 
       Component: Innenraumueberw.   0504
       Coding: 00001
       Shop #: WSC 00000
       VCID: EBA9836E8A9D
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.       Labels: 8E0-959-433-MAX.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 959 433 T
       Component: KomfortgerŠt T5B    0616
       Coding: 11788
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 42F78ECA5D97
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Xenon Range       Labels: 4Z7-907-357.LBL
       Controller: 4Z7 907 357 
       Component: dynamische LWR       D06
       Coding: 00060
       Shop #: WSC 63351
       VCID: 047B48D20703
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio       Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 035 195 A
       Component: symphony II NP2    0008 
       Coding: 00201
       Shop #: WSC 00000
       VCID: 253D3556ACF9
    No fault code found.
    
    End   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Last edited by Uwe; 03-22-2019 at 09:38 AM. Reason: CODE tags

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    FOD wins again?
    FOD wins again?

    Sorry.

    I'm not really understanding what you mean by that.

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    I think Jack meant check for Foreign Object Damage

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